Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

L L wrote:

If you prefer Trump over whoever becomes the Dem nominee, then vote for Trump.

If you're real adamant about him, wear a hat.

Any predictions of a serious third party candidate that would garner significant votes in any states?

I did not vote for Trump in 2016 and will not this year.

Lincoln Chafee is the most prominent person running for the Libertarian nomination. Justin Amash has expressed interest but is not officially running right now.

Howie Hawkins and Dario Hunter are the most prominent Greens running, and they are pretty obscure.

I would guess those are the ones likeliest to garner the most votes, but I base that mostly on party label and their past success.

None of them are very compelling to me.

My philosophy has always been that voters should vote for the candidate that most closely represents them, so I agree with you. I'd just like people who have a different theory of the case to act consistently towards moderates and progressives.

agip wrote:

single wing wrote:

"Bloomberg can't be racist because some African American politicians endorsed him"

"Trump has some African American supporters and followers but he is racist"

Never change, agip.

find me some a-a politicians in congress or mayors who support trump.

thanks - I'll wait.

oh there aren't any? Ok, I guess that means your entire logical stretch makes no sense. Sort of an empty set.

well there's one - Hurd in TX. And he is quitting congress. Exception proves the rule.

but seriously - you are making a sophistry type argument. You know it doesn't hold together. I'm not citing some random voter. I'm citing members of congress and mayors of big cities.

Never change Agip:

single wing wrote:

agip wrote:

find me some a-a politicians in congress or mayors who support trump.

thanks - I'll wait.

oh there aren't any? Ok, I guess that means your entire logical stretch makes no sense. Sort of an empty set.

well there's one - Hurd in TX. And he is quitting congress. Exception proves the rule.

but seriously - you are making a sophistry type argument. You know it doesn't hold together. I'm not citing some random voter. I'm citing members of congress and mayors of big cities.

Never change Agip:

https://wpde.com/news/local/president-trump-congratulates-senator-tim-scott-at-state-of-the-union-address

fair

Here's a list of candidates.

Scroll past the Republican and Democrat lists.

https://politics1.com/p2020.htm

A wiki version

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minor_party_and_independent_candidates_for_the_2020_United_States_presidential_election

Any names jump out?

agip wrote:

single wing wrote:

Never change Agip:

https://wpde.com/news/local/president-trump-congratulates-senator-tim-scott-at-state-of-the-union-address

fair

but nah it's different.

Trump is the president. A R senator has no one else to suport.

D members of congress and D mayors of big cities have multiple people they could support. These a-a's chose bberg. So that means someething. Scott only chose trump by default.

To prove my point, scott endorsed rubio, not trump, when he had a choice.

L L wrote:

Here's a list of candidates.

Scroll past the Republican and Democrat lists.

Any names jump out?

Well, Phil Collins stands out of course. But I don't like "In the Air Tonight"

Honestly none of those stand out. I don't really investigate minor party candidates this early and when I do I only both with those who have ballot access in my state, which is relatively strict so there aren't usually more than a couple in addition to the two majors.

Phil Collins stood out to me, too.

And he's white, so people won't care that he wasn't born in the US.

single wing wrote:

Trollminator wrote:

I have gone on record here saying that if trump wins with 46% or less again I will absolutely blame Dems who abstained from voting because their favorite candidate didn't become the nominee.

What about non-Dems?

I've never been a democrat and never registered for a party.

I don’t care about voters like you. If you are seriously stuck on the fence between the ideologies of the current trump party and Dems then you are more like a lost cause, so how can anyone figure you into the calculations? Also, the expectations and interests from voters like you vary so much that it is not worth it for a candidate to try to fight for your vote - they would end up sabotaging many more votes for maybe one extra.

This is interesting - Trump on tape saying he was happy that Bernie did not join the HRC ticket because bernie is anti-trade like trump.

Maybe bernie could win some of the anti-trade votes back from trump? Is this one argument for bernie to be the nominee?

I have no idea. I'm a free-trader so it's hard for me to put myself in the shoes of protectionists.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/01/25/only-one-i-didnt-want-her-pick-secret-recording-trump-admits-fear-clinton-picking

agip wrote:

This is interesting - Trump on tape saying he was happy that Bernie did not join the HRC ticket because bernie is anti-trade like trump.

Maybe bernie could win some of the anti-trade votes back from trump? Is this one argument for bernie to be the nominee?

I have no idea. I'm a free-trader so it's hard for me to put myself in the shoes of protectionists.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/01/25/only-one-i-didnt-want-her-pick-secret-recording-trump-admits-fear-clinton-picking

agip - can we please forget about Trump for a bit. Let's focus on who is iikely the next president of the US - aka the Dem Candidate.

agip wrote:

Conundrum wrote:

Why have major black leaders come out with support for Bloomberg?

Anyone supporting Trump loses all credibility when they call another candidate racist.

solid piece about the a-a mayor of rochester, NY on why she endorsed bberg. confronts the racism question.

https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2020/02/13/lovely-warren-endorses-michael-bloomberg-2020-presidential-race/4748877002/

I have a problem with him apologizing... he obviously really believed he made the right move back then. Just say you made the decision back then based on the best information you had and since then you have changed your mind, lets all move on. Or just say you are still not convinced the current approach is the right one but you are willing to continue the conversation. The apologetic stuff doesn't come off as genuine, just a cheap attempt to appease angry people.

How did this headline get approved?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQs1Z9VUEAELfvL?format=jpg&name=medium

agip wrote:

This is interesting - Trump on tape saying he was happy that Bernie did not join the HRC ticket because bernie is anti-trade like trump.

Maybe bernie could win some of the anti-trade votes back from trump? Is this one argument for bernie to be the nominee?

I have no idea. I'm a free-trader so it's hard for me to put myself in the shoes of protectionists.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/01/25/only-one-i-didnt-want-her-pick-secret-recording-trump-admits-fear-clinton-picking

Here's how I rank the reasons for the Bernie buzz: 1) populism - people are still fatigued from the old order and want some disruption, 2) people are attracted to his anti-corruption and anti-interest group stance, 3) socialism is appealing to a lot of people who think we should be more like a European democracy. I didn't add momentum but that would be close to the top reason if he rockets ahead of other candidates. The more momentum a candidate can build the more I will be convinced that it is all about preventing trump from winning.

Keep in mind that a significant number of voters went for Bernie and then voted for Trump. I don't think that was a revenge vote against Hillary... these people were desperate to get something other than Clinton/Bush dynasty. All those voters are in danger for trump this year.

Rigged for Hillary wrote:

How did this headline get approved?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQs1Z9VUEAELfvL?format=jpg&name=medium

Approved by Alex Jones and Breitbart - and taken very well by tzees.

Sally Vix wrote:

agip wrote:

This is interesting - Trump on tape saying he was happy that Bernie did not join the HRC ticket because bernie is anti-trade like trump.

Maybe bernie could win some of the anti-trade votes back from trump? Is this one argument for bernie to be the nominee?

I have no idea. I'm a free-trader so it's hard for me to put myself in the shoes of protectionists.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/01/25/only-one-i-didnt-want-her-pick-secret-recording-trump-admits-fear-clinton-picking

agip - can we please forget about Trump for a bit. Let's focus on who is iikely the next president of the US - aka the Dem Candidate.

Yes, you can start another thread and wait for us, we'll be right there I promise

I'll add that I think trump is going to push his luck trying to instill a banana republic. People are catching on quickly to the tiring and sorry deep state excuse and the more he pushes his weight around (Sally that's for you) the more it will backfire in Nov.

Poor Photoshop. There real article:https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/10/politics/bernie-sanders-pete-buttigieg-essay-accidental-rivals/index.html

Rigged for Hillary wrote:

How did this headline get approved?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQs1Z9VUEAELfvL?format=jpg&name=medium

Conundrum wrote:

Why have major black leaders come out with support for Bloomberg?

Anyone supporting Trump loses all credibility when they call another candidate racist.

Black voters, especially older ones, are realist.

They know Broomberg has dubious records. So do Biden, Buttigieg, and Klobuchar.

But they want a candidate who can defeat Trump. And they want a president who can get things done.

They initially supported Biden because they believed Biden had the best chance to beat Trump. Now many of them are switching to Broomberg because Biden's campaign is imploding.

They have been betrayed so many times by politicians who promised great things but didn't deliver.

They look at Warren and Sanders and think that those cannot deliver what they promise. And they are probably right.

Trollminator wrote:

Keep in mind that a significant number of voters went for Bernie and then voted for Trump. I don't think that was a revenge vote against Hillary... these people were desperate to get something other than Clinton/Bush dynasty. All those voters are in danger for trump this year.

Not sure why people are so addicted to this false narrative. I guess once you've got something in your mind it is too difficult to admit you were wrong. The amount of people who voted for Bernie and then for Trump was consistent with how voters at large act.

BTW, among those Bernie-Trump voters, their aggregate opinion about free trade was the same as the Bernie voters who stayed with Hillary, so it was not predictive in any way.