yes, I have wrote:
Perhaps I should have been more specific. In the presented scenario, has the President committed a crime under US laws?
I’m not a legal expert but I think what makes it a crime is that it’s in return for a favor about a political opponent impacting a US election.
So if I had to guess I’d say the answer to your scenario is no because none of the Koch’s are running for President.
AG Barr wrote:
yes, I have wrote:
Perhaps I should have been more specific. In the presented scenario, has the President committed a crime under US laws?
No. By MY PERSONAL FAKE definition, the President cannot commit a crime under the ANY AND ALL US AND STATE laws. He is immune from any criminal investigation while in office BY ANYONE. HE CAN EVEN NUKE THE U.S.A IF HE WANTS!
I NEEDED to fix my post.
Ciro wrote:
yes, I have wrote:
Perhaps I should have been more specific. In the presented scenario, has the President committed a crime under US laws?
I’m not a legal expert but I think what makes it a crime is that it’s in return for a favor about a political opponent impacting a US election.
So if I had to guess I’d say the answer to your scenario is no because none of the Koch’s are running for President.
If the president is acting within his powers to enforce the laws, then it should not matter if the person under investigation is running for president or not. If it did, then any political rivals would be above the law.
yes, I have wrote:
Ciro wrote:
I’m not a legal expert but I think what makes it a crime is that it’s in return for a favor about a political opponent impacting a US election.
So if I had to guess I’d say the answer to your scenario is no because none of the Koch’s are running for President.
If the president is acting within his powers to enforce the laws, then it should not matter if the person under investigation is running for president or not. If it did, then any political rivals would be above the law.
No, you’ve just made that up. They are still subject to the law. Holding funds for damning evidence for political gain isn’t the law. Not sure why that’s confusing for you.
Smorbun wrote:
In case anyone is new here, the Big Three Morons should be clearly defined for you.
Ghost of Igloi: He's just a moron. Nothing more. His posts are the result of nothing going on upstairs, and I mean nothing.
Sally Vix: Sally is 20% troll and 80% moron, but the moron part defines him and is very very strong.
Rigged for Hillary: Rigged is 100% moron, but he is also 100% batsh!t crazy. Nothing going on upstairs intellectually, but also full on certifiably batsh!t insane.
While you and your buddies drone on and on about the topic, day after day. Not much of a life I suppose, or perhaps the Trump Derangement makes one incapable of doing anything but an obsessive compulsive posting.
Reality calling wrote:
reality is real wrote:
Can you accept the reality that investigating corruption is part of the President's job?
Your type of response is why you and Rigged and Iggy and the millions like you are so damaging to our democracy. I don't know if it's due to just being dense or if severe myopia is causal. I am going to take you through this step by step (yeah I know you won't read it).
I asked you if you can accept the clear evidence of trump withholding payment to get Ukraine to investigate to help Trump's re-election. You refuse to answer or think about it. You just can't allow yourself to think about trump being guilty.
Instead you reframe things and focus on the idea that Trump is just going after corruption. Yes it's good for a president to go after corruption, but not to withhold payment and only go after corruption (without evidence) that would help his re-election. can you understand that is wrong? Also realize earlier trump cut funding to Ukraine that was earmarked as anticorruption funding.
So I ask you again can you accept evidence against trump and blame him?
I don't think so. If you can't you are not a good member of democracy. Iggy and Rigged can not do this.
Oh, sorry, I forgot you are all saving democracy. ?
The President's approval rating continues to drop, despite an economy that (surprisingly, to some) continues to hum.
However, it's worth pointing out that his current 40.8% approval in the poll-of-polls is *significantly* higher than where he was exactly two years ago. The rock-bottom of his approval rating was the last part of 2017, which played into the (mildly) blue wave of the 2018 elections; he is currently in a stronger position than he was then.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/
PSA for all snowbird, Trumps building in a wall in Colorado
https://news.yahoo.com/president-trump-colorado-border-wall-new-mexico.html
Trump - A permanent embarrassment and an occasional disgrace.
Quid Pro Joe loses again.
#Trumplandslide
#LatinosforTrump
KAG2020
Reality calling wrote:
There is a difference between theory and fact. The evidence of trump holding finances to manipulate Ukraine into an investigation is clear. Can you accept this reality or not. Please tell us.
There is also a difference between a threat and a fact.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pX313a-UJYTrump can easily fix that with his Sharpie, and then force the U.S. Geological Survey to change maps to make it true.
Ciro wrote:
PSA for all snowbird, Trumps building in a wall in Colorado
https://news.yahoo.com/president-trump-colorado-border-wall-new-mexico.htmlTrump - A permanent embarrassment and an occasional disgrace.
Theories, Threats and Facts wrote:
There is also a difference between a threat and a fact.
Trump made a threat to Ukraine. That is a fact.
Schiff made a threat to the United States. That is a fact.
reality is real wrote:
Reality calling wrote:
Your type of response is why you and Rigged and Iggy and the millions like you are so damaging to our democracy. I don't know if it's due to just being dense or if severe myopia is causal. I am going to take you through this step by step (yeah I know you won't read it).
I asked you if you can accept the clear evidence of trump withholding payment to get Ukraine to investigate to help Trump's re-election. You refuse to answer or think about it. You just can't allow yourself to think about trump being guilty.
Instead you reframe things and focus on the idea that Trump is just going after corruption. Yes it's good for a president to go after corruption, but not to withhold payment and only go after corruption (without evidence) that would help his re-election. can you understand that is wrong? Also realize earlier trump cut funding to Ukraine that was earmarked as anticorruption funding.
So I ask you again can you accept evidence against trump and blame him?
I don't think so. If you can't you are not a good member of democracy. Iggy and Rigged can not do this.
Of course I can accept evidence against Trump and blame him. My point is that the issue is not as clear as you seem to think it is and it is not as you try to reframe it. I think the President's duty to enforce laws (pardon the pun) trumps the election laws. If the President was looking for "dirt" on Biden, like pictures of him in compromising situations, that's one thing. But, if there is significant evidence of crimes being committed (and I think there is), I think the President is within his powers to investigate that crime. So, even assuming Trump used a quid pro quo to get the Ukraine gov't to provide information on Biden's past dealings, I don't think its inappropriate, much less an impeachable act. If there is no evidence of wrongdoing, then Trump will not have gained any political advantage and the point is moot. Don't forget that this whole issue would have remained unknown to the American public but for the democratic whistleblower.
Now, I ask you the same, can you accept the fact that there is evidence of wrongdoing on the part of Biden? If you can't you are not a good member of society
So in your view of reality trump was illegally holding back payment and other security measures not because he wanted foreign help in his election but out of a genuine concern to stamp out corruption?
Do you honestly believe that? So you agree he broke the law but it's ok because he hates corruption? You see no abuse of power here?.....really?
I read your post, you are not dense, just very myopic.
I would accept real evidence against biden doing something illegal.
So far there is none.
(Also you know he demanded zelensky to make a public statement that he was investigating biden ....This was ALL political and on some level I think you know that......hold him accountable)
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
Schiff made a threat to the United States. That is a fact.
And you are a threat to common sense
Reality is real,
I have one more question for you. A question Trigger or Iggy would never answer and I am very curious how you would answer it.
Do you believe and trust trump?
Trollminator wrote:
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
Schiff made a threat to the United States. That is a fact.
And you are a threat to common sense
Your obsession with Trump is a threat to your sanity.
Reality calling wrote:
Reality is real,
I have one more question for you. A question Trigger or Iggy would never answer and I am very curious how you would answer it.
Do you believe and trust trump?
No, but I trust and believe Schiff less.
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
Schiff made a threat to the United States. That is a fact.
In what way?
Can you provide a reputable link as I like to stay on top of current affairs.