jesseriley wrote:
Sally, remember to welcome our new russian friends like Nuremberg to LRC in the traditional way!
An artisanal loaf of hearty brown bread with the thick crust, the harvest designs on top & a salt glaze.
If you bring them over to my place, I have lots of Stolichnaya Elit, Borscht, some delicious golubtsy, and Potato Okroshka. I cooked up a lot so there is plenty for your friends to take home.
Sally Vix wrote:
Flagpole - if you really do leave Ohio for California and end up in maybe Brentwood or Beverly Hills or Montecito or Malibu - can we come out and visit you? I would be happy to stay in the guest house and promise not to bring home any ladies. If you end up in Malibu we could do morning runs together. Grab a cappucino and maybe reminisce how you beat that runner in the 1985 race. What was that called?
The Clownpole can't afford any of those places. He will not be living anywhere near there. He can be the King Clown of East LA.
Sally Vix wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Sally, I am obviously in a gracious mood today, so I will answer you even though I have come to the conclusion that you are a troll. I don't have a general policy that prohibits me from responding to trolls, though admittedly I will respond less often to a troll than a non-troll.
You ask a fair albeit simple-minded question, BUT, listen to this fair answer. It is the CORRECT answer to your question too. I get the feeling that you don't like to read, but buckle down and try to get through it. You are reportedly a college graduate after all.
You like to mention 3 years of investigation as if it's 3 years of the same thing so that you can say, "enough already". That is a disingenuous painting of the situation. Trump et al. were investigated by the Mueller team for two main things: Conspiracy and Obstruction of Justice. During the investigation, as you well know, several people and companies were found to have broken the law, and they have been held accountable. Some things regarding Trump were pawned off to other offices and are still being investigated. (IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT AT THIS POINT PELOSI WAS NOT IN FAVOR OF PURSUING IMPEACHMENT). Now, in late September, we became privy to NEW criminal activity by Trump that occurred after he was in office and involves him trying to affect an election that is yet to happen. As far as I'm concerned, this is at the same level of criminality that he has engaged in with regard to Russia, most specifically the obstruction of justice (which hasn't been dropped by the way), and that level of criminality is HIGH CRIMES. BUT, it is NEW and it involves a NEW issue...not just FELONY campaign finance law violation and/or bribery, but also abuse of power and holding up payment to a foreign country that was voted on in a very bi-partisan way by Congress. You can't abuse power (as a candidate) if you don't have it, and you can't break your oath of office if you have not yet taken the oath. He HAS abused his power and broken his oath of office in addition to the campaign finance law violation/bribery - my opinion there, but it is the correct opinion.
Now, with that as a backdrop, here's the answer to your question, and it's not a simple yes/no question, so take a break now if you need to, and stay focused.
1) If the Senate acquits him, I would agree that as far as impeachment goes on whatever those articles of impeachment are, that we are DONE with those issues AS FAR AS IMPEACHMENT GOES.
2) If an agency decides he is still legally liable for things that were in the articles of impeachment, then I am fine with them pursuing legal action. Impeachment is just a political process after all, and no one is above the law.
3) Just because the Senate acquits him, that doesn't mean he has carte blanche to do whatever he wants after that. What if he strangles someone to death the moment the Senate acquits him? Can we not pursue him for that? What if the Senate acquits yet censures him and then he immediately makes deals with foreign countries again to dig up dirt on political rivals?
So, the summary of the answer is this -- yes we should let any issue in the Articles of Impeachment drop POLITICALLY if the Senate acquits him. If someone decides he broke the law and wants to pursue legal action, then I'm fine with that. He is still on the hook both politically (new impeachment articles) and legally for anything that was not covered in the articles of impeachment and any criminal or unethical behavior he might engage in in the future. Acquittal in the Senate does not make him immune to punitive action for future bad behavior.
Wow - I am still reading your lengthy and quite informative post but am really amazed at your response. I truly am. I never thought if the Senate acquitted that you guys would ever let it die but you appear willing to do that. I give you kudos for that. Of course, if he commits impeachable crimes in the future he should be brought before the House and judged by the House and possibly convicted in the Senate and removed from office. I certainly agree that any president committing impeachable should have the House do its duty in bringing formal charges (impeachment) and then possibly being convicted. Nice one Flagpole!
You should not be amazed at my response. I have 100% integrity 100% of the time, and my answer is indicative of that. It is also the correct answer which should also not surprise you or anyone.
Now, for everyone, especially the Trumpers, here is what is going to happen:
1) Trump will be impeached.
2) Trump will resign or be removed from office by the Senate OR the 25th Amendment or some other legal way of which I am not aware, unless there is criminal or space alien behavior that prevents it OR he dies before the process can be completed.
3) Trump will go to prison (along with others - Giuliani for sure), unless there is criminal or space alien behavior that prevents it OR he dies before the process can be completed.
4) A Democrat will be President beginning in January 2021.
Mueller is still coming. I have explained why this is so.
The clown is done. I have also explained how this is so.
I will give the biggest "I Told You So" in the history of Letsrun when this all comes to pass, but as I've said, I will not mention specific user names because I am righteous yet kind.
And the fresh ice cream! On the way to Party Headquarters, the truck always made a couple of unscheduled stops, and they’d sell or barter a few cases out the back & split before the cops arrived.
Be afraid dems, be very afraid. This is how you win presidential elections. This is happening all around the country. So focus on your witch hunts and watch Trump make your heads explode for another 5+ years.
Winning!
https://twitter.com/ScottPresler/status/1185267003516428296
America First!
KAG2020
Sally Vix wrote:
Flagpole - if you really do leave Ohio for California and end up in maybe Brentwood or Beverly Hills or Montecito or Malibu - can we come out and visit you? I would be happy to stay in the guest house and promise not to bring home any ladies. If you end up in Malibu we could do morning runs together. Grab a cappucino and maybe reminisce how you beat that runner in the 1985 race. What was that called?
I'm in a fun mood today, so I will answer you.
1) Beverly Hills and Malibu both kind of suck as far as places to live. Way too many tourists in Beverly Hills for my liking, and the same is true for Malibu. I would live in Santa Monica before either of those two places.
2) I'm not really a "meet up with people from the internet" kind of guy, so no offense, but I don't plan on inviting any of you to my house. I might invite some of you to one of my HUGE biceps competitions, but then you'd have to be on your way.
3) THAT runner was the great Scott Fry, and I didn't beat him...he DQ'd which allowed me to win the race. He was the Kinney (now Footlocker) CC National champ, an Ohio high school legend and I believe still the Big Ten 5000 meter record holder.
Anyway, time to go order some pizza.
Flagpole wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
Flagpole - if you really do leave Ohio for California and end up in maybe Brentwood or Beverly Hills or Montecito or Malibu - can we come out and visit you? I would be happy to stay in the guest house and promise not to bring home any ladies. If you end up in Malibu we could do morning runs together. Grab a cappucino and maybe reminisce how you beat that runner in the 1985 race. What was that called?
I'm in a fun mood today, so I will answer you.
1) Beverly Hills and Malibu both kind of suck as far as places to live. Way too many tourists in Beverly Hills for my liking, and the same is true for Malibu. I would live in Santa Monica before either of those two places.
2) I'm not really a "meet up with people from the internet" kind of guy, so no offense, but I don't plan on inviting any of you to my house. I might invite some of you to one of my HUGE biceps competitions, but then you'd have to be on your way.
3) THAT runner was the great Scott Fry, and I didn't beat him...he DQ'd which allowed me to win the race. He was the Kinney (now Footlocker) CC National champ, an Ohio high school legend and I believe still the Big Ten 5000 meter record holder.
Anyway, time to go order some pizza.
Flagpole, back in the day I spent some time in Santa Monica. I even joined Muscle Beach. I won't go in too much depth but those pickings were 'ripe!" I would go to Chippendales and those pickings were even "more ripe!"
Flagpole wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
Flagpole - if you really do leave Ohio for California and end up in maybe Brentwood or Beverly Hills or Montecito or Malibu - can we come out and visit you? I would be happy to stay in the guest house and promise not to bring home any ladies. If you end up in Malibu we could do morning runs together. Grab a cappucino and maybe reminisce how you beat that runner in the 1985 race. What was that called?
I'm in a fun mood today, so I will answer you.
1) Beverly Hills and Malibu both kind of suck as far as places to live. Way too many tourists in Beverly Hills for my liking, and the same is true for Malibu. I would live in Santa Monica before either of those two places.
2) I'm not really a "meet up with people from the internet" kind of guy, so no offense, but I don't plan on inviting any of you to my house. I might invite some of you to one of my HUGE biceps competitions, but then you'd have to be on your way.
3) THAT runner was the great Scott Fry, and I didn't beat him...he DQ'd which allowed me to win the race. He was the Kinney (now Footlocker) CC National champ, an Ohio high school legend and I believe still the Big Ten 5000 meter record holder.
Anyway, time to go order some pizza.
Santa Monica? Nope. I may oppose you politically, but don't want to see anyone lose their home. Too many wildfires and Fat boy, don't chime in with your global warming bullsheet.
https://www.lamag.com/citythinkblog/wildfire-california-future/jesseriley wrote:
Speaking of (great-great-) grandfathers. How do you manage to get Ghost cleaned up & ready to post on LRC each morning?
The Nazi have taught you well how to run a disinformation campaign. Tell enough lies about the opposition and the masses will believe it. Like Jews are evil. Herr Hitler would be proud of you. Time for action with your Ukranian Nazi friends.
I think it’s great that Ghost is ably assisted by russians, just like sally. The tool or traitor you know is always better than the anonymous.
Speaking of which, Nuremberg, have you ever seen a more brain-damaged collection of losers than this administration & people like yourself trying to prop it up?
Flagpole wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
QUESTION for the Libs/Dems here. Let's say that President Trump is impeached by the House. The Senate acquits him (meaning they found him not guilty of the alleged crimes). He has essentially been exonerated. Would you then agree that, after 3 years of investigation, it is time to put all this stuff behind us, get off Trump's back finally, get back to enacting legislation and give Trump a clean slate to begin presiding over the country again. You surely would agree to that. Yes?
Sally, I am obviously in a gracious mood today, so I will answer you even though I have come to the conclusion that you are a troll. I don't have a general policy that prohibits me from responding to trolls, though admittedly I will respond less often to a troll than a non-troll.
You ask a fair albeit simple-minded question, BUT, listen to this fair answer. It is the CORRECT answer to your question too. I get the feeling that you don't like to read, but buckle down and try to get through it. You are reportedly a college graduate after all.
You like to mention 3 years of investigation as if it's 3 years of the same thing so that you can say, "enough already". That is a disingenuous painting of the situation. Trump et al. were investigated by the Mueller team for two main things: Conspiracy and Obstruction of Justice. During the investigation, as you well know, several people and companies were found to have broken the law, and they have been held accountable. Some things regarding Trump were pawned off to other offices and are still being investigated. (IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT AT THIS POINT PELOSI WAS NOT IN FAVOR OF PURSUING IMPEACHMENT). Now, in late September, we became privy to NEW criminal activity by Trump that occurred after he was in office and involves him trying to affect an election that is yet to happen. As far as I'm concerned, this is at the same level of criminality that he has engaged in with regard to Russia, most specifically the obstruction of justice (which hasn't been dropped by the way), and that level of criminality is HIGH CRIMES. BUT, it is NEW and it involves a NEW issue...not just FELONY campaign finance law violation and/or bribery, but also abuse of power and holding up payment to a foreign country that was voted on in a very bi-partisan way by Congress. You can't abuse power (as a candidate) if you don't have it, and you can't break your oath of office if you have not yet taken the oath. He HAS abused his power and broken his oath of office in addition to the campaign finance law violation/bribery - my opinion there, but it is the correct opinion.
Now, with that as a backdrop, here's the answer to your question, and it's not a simple yes/no question, so take a break now if you need to, and stay focused.
1) If the Senate acquits him, I would agree that as far as impeachment goes on whatever those articles of impeachment are, that we are DONE with those issues AS FAR AS IMPEACHMENT GOES.
2) If an agency decides he is still legally liable for things that were in the articles of impeachment, then I am fine with them pursuing legal action. Impeachment is just a political process after all, and no one is above the law.
3) Just because the Senate acquits him, that doesn't mean he has carte blanche to do whatever he wants after that. What if he strangles someone to death the moment the Senate acquits him? Can we not pursue him for that? What if the Senate acquits yet censures him and then he immediately makes deals with foreign countries again to dig up dirt on political rivals?
So, the summary of the answer is this -- yes we should let any issue in the Articles of Impeachment drop POLITICALLY if the Senate acquits him. If someone decides he broke the law and wants to pursue legal action, then I'm fine with that. He is still on the hook both politically (new impeachment articles) and legally for anything that was not covered in the articles of impeachment and any criminal or unethical behavior he might engage in in the future. Acquittal in the Senate does not make him immune to punitive action for future bad behavior.
Nice post.
A million times better than what Sally deserves.
jesseriley wrote:
I think it’s great that Ghost is ably assisted by russians, just like sally. The tool or traitor you know is always better than the anonymous.
Nazi Herr Riley take your hatred of Jewry to Ukraine. Your allies are ready for the Final Solution.
jesseriley wrote:
Speaking of which, Nuremberg, have you ever seen a more brain-damaged collection of losers than this administration & people like yourself trying to prop it up?
The Nazis need brain damaged storm troopers like you Herr Riley. That is why your grandfather assisted in the Final Solution. It is in your Nazi DNA.
Another question, Nuremberg.
Has the putin-trump relationship always had a homoerotic element, or is that new? Do they let you join in? Toys?
jesseriley wrote:
Another question, Nuremberg.
Has the putin-trump relationship always had a homoerotic element, or is that new? Do they let you join in? Toys?
You should know Nazi. You can use that claim as part of the Final Solution. Fear of your opponent Herr Riley. Part of your Nazi disinformation campaign. Grandfather taught you well.
Ghost of Ignorance! Welcome back, but things were just starting to get interesting with your alter ego (weak mimicry, by the way). Do they pay you in gold rubles, stocks & securities, or greenbacks?
Mitch standing up to Trump.
jesseriley wrote:
Ghost of Ignorance! Welcome back, but things were just starting to get interesting with your alter ego (weak mimicry, by the way). Do they pay you in gold rubles, stocks & securities, or greenbacks?
They’ll be more of that if you keep it up.
RIP: D3 All-American Frank Csorba - who ran 13:56 in March - dead
RENATO can you talk about the preparation of Emile Cairess 2:06
Running for Bowerman Track Club used to be cool now its embarrassing
Great interview with Steve Cram - says Jakob has no chance of WRs this year
Hats off to my dad. He just ran a 1:42 Half Marathon and turns 75 in 2 months!