Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

Normally poll numbers might matter, but I don’t see don-o running again. Seems like the fat boys can either cooperate with the House (which will uncover all the evidence they’ve been sitting on while stonewalling), or have the impeachment hearings drag on forever. Big boy can’t win an election either way.

Like Nixon, it’ll end up in court, one piece of evidence at a time. GOP will surrender & cut ties with their diva.

Calyope wrote:

Ouch Time wrote:

Ouch!

Incredible that folks like Rigged fall for that kind of thing.

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Are you embarrassed, Rigged? You should be. But I know the answer - you are a Trumpette.

Will you admit your embarrassing error, Rigged? You should. But I know the answer - you are a Trumpette.

Do you feel any sense of shame in spreading such obvious lies, Rigged? You should. But I know the answer - you are a Trumpette.

Rigged, looks like you've been challenged to show some shred of dignity. Care to answer the call? Can you admit to getting that wrong without mentioning anyone else? You are still a wanker. The only question is if you can be a smaller wanker. You've been challenged, mate.

Rigged has been exposed to have no dignity just like Trump.

Runningart2004 wrote:

Common people will give Trump a pass on quid pro quo because they can't say quid pro quo much less understand how what Biden did is different than what Trump did. Common people assume all politicians are dirty and that scratching backs is simply what they do.

It's all just political theatre.

Trump will be impeached by the House but it will fail in the Senate. His approval will not rise or drop significantly as it will remain what it always has been, 42-45%.

Alan

I thought that once but not anymore. Polls are showing a change supporting impeachment. People do understand Trump's threats and crazy tweets and that turns people off. They make him look very guilty. They are hard to defend.

Runningart2004 wrote:

Common people will give Trump a pass on quid pro quo because they can't say quid pro quo much less understand how what Biden did is different than what Trump did. Common people assume all politicians are dirty and that scratching backs is simply what they do.

It's all just political theatre.

Trump will be impeached by the House but it will fail in the Senate. His approval will not rise or drop significantly as it will remain what it always has been, 42-45%.

Alan

I think you are describing one of the more likely scenarios but other outcomes seem possible now. Per Gallup, during Trump’s tenure his overall job approval has been as low as 37% overall and as low as upper-70% among GOP voters and upper-20% among independents (this was back in 2017).

IF the Trump administration is forced to release transcripts of his conversations with Putin and MBS to Congress as part of the Impeachment inquiry I think a lot more damaging information may come out. This could include Trump—intentionally or unintentionally—revealing the identity of the CIA asset that had to be quickly taken out of Russia and the identity of Kashoggi to MBS as a CIA informant leading to his murder....among many other bad possibilities.

While I acknowledge that there would still be Trump’s hardcore base that will never, ever vote against him, I think many people would turn on him. If enough comes out that his job approval numbers drop into the ~mid-60% among the GOP (his true base) and low-20% among independents—he may be removed from office by the Senate or resign.

We are going to see either a release of the transcripts of Trump's calls with Putin, MBS, etc., perjury describing those calls or obstruction delivering transcripts of those calls.

If he releases them they better be "perfect".

(but he thought the Ukraine call was perfect)

Agree, the only card to play is obstruction; but in impeachment it only wastes time that allows people to get their wrapped around the inevitable. There’s never been a coverup without a crime.

Sally Vix wrote:

What the heck do you mean that nothing was wrong with what he did???? He admitted EXTORTION! Do you not understand extortion? I posted this the other day but you guys and gals don't seem to care. EXTORTION: The act of obtaining something through force or threats. He bragged that the prosecutor was fired because he threatened to withhold aid to ukraine. In any Extortion 101 class that is Exhibit "A!"

Trump has instituted an embargo on Iran. This is clearly EXTORTION!!! and he should be impeached for it.

jesseriley wrote:

There’s never been a coverup without a crime.

But there have been obstruction of justice convictions without any guilty verdict of the crime being covered up.

So, technically there have been coverups without crimes.

No. For instance, murder is a crime whether anyone gets convicted or not; plus it’s a tough deal for the dead person.

What if you poison someone but are able to cover up that fact and the official cause of death is natural causes?

They investigate you. They find that you bought poison but paid off a doctor to destroy those records.

They still cannot confirm cause of death but can arrest you for obstruction of justice.

Officially, there is no murder, but there is a cover up.

Yes, in reality a crime of murder (the killer knows) was committed but officially no murder (the cops can't prove it).

That's possibly Trump's collusion with Russia.

If Trump colluded, he knows it but they could not prove it.

However, Trump took several steps to obstruct the investigation to find out if he colluded.

Here's a big positive for Joe and a negative for Liz:

Bernie is still raising a carpton of money. People usually only quit the race for the presidency when they run out of money. Bernie is never going to run out of money. So the long awaited merging of Liz and Bernie's supporters...isn't going to happen until well into the primary season.

Which means the progressive vote will remain split. Which mean Joe will have time to run up the score in less liberal, less white states. Maybe it will be too late for the lefties to catch up.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/01/us/politics/bernie-sanders-fundraising.html

Biden’s support is dropping, but absolutely Warren & Bernie may need an alliance, not a problem since they agree on a lot. HRC’s problem was she didn’t want allies. Even without Russia, she had no coattails.

jesseriley wrote:

Biden’s support is dropping, but absolutely Warren & Bernie may need an alliance, not a problem since they agree on a lot. HRC’s problem was she didn’t want allies. Even without Russia, she had no coattails.

Not really true that Biden's support is dropping, at least according to polls. He's been in the same zone since the beginning of the summer, per RCP.

What has happened is that Harris lost a lot of support and apparently it all went to Warren.

But eventually the bernisti will have to move to the warren camp if they want the left to control the WH.

Must be absolutely KILLING Spanky not to be able to control the headlines this week. Usually whenever he gets in trouble he concocts some outrageous lie or activity that grabs the headlines back.

This time, the new orgs are having none of it - keeping the news focused on Trumpist wrongdoings rather than the Biden lies.

Yeah Fox has Biden on the front page, but they are pathetic. Real news orgs aren't taking Trump's bait.

Expect some kind of massive publicity stunt from the WH to grab the headlines back. Show arrests? Military parade? War?

Trump knows he is losing this battle very badly - he just doesn't have the right way to fight yet.

Since the initial post on 1/20/2017, this thread has grown and grown. Out of curiosity I looked at the dates for various "milestone" post numbers.

5000th post 5/25/2017 (125 days after 1st)

10000th post 8/4/2017 (71 days after 5K)

15Kth post 12/15/2017 (133 days after 10K)

20Kth post 2/16/2018 (63 days after 15K)

25Kth post 4/20/2018 (63 days after 20K)

30Kth post 6/16/2018 (57 days after 25K)

35Kth post 8/17/2018 (62 days after 30K)

40Kth post 10/14/2018 (58 days after 35K)

45Kth post 1/3/2019 (81 days after 40K)

50Kth post 2/21/2019 (49 days after 45K)

55Kth post 3/30/2019 (37 days after 50K)

60Kth post 5/17/2019 (48 days after 55K)

65Kth post 8/1/2019 (76 days after 60K)

70Kth post 10/1/2019 (61 days after 65K)

Averaging about 70.3 days/5000 posts so far

the number of posts shows how the internet is so addictive and bad for producivity. I'm sure one major reason for the lack of improvement in US productivity numbers is that so many people are doing what we're doing here.

One more thing. HALF THE COUNTRY favors impeachment and removal. That is stunning. Are we done here? I suppose we need more than 25% from Rs but still all that is damning to the Prez. I mean it's awful for him. No wonder he is panic tweeting.

Just because Bernie has enough money to stay in the race for a while doesn't mean that he will still keep getting at least 10% of the votes in each primary.

Warren will get more and more of his voters along the way.

Big boy’s new official strategy: “Bring it on!”

Yup, he’s crazy!

Red states are ready and waiting for any attempt to remove Trump.