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I honestly don't understand how a GOP senator could vote for this bill knowing that next year it would leave 15 million people without health insurance.

What kind of a moral black hole is that? Who would even consider this thing?

Woody Lightyear3 wrote:

Obama didn't want to be blamed??????????????? You sat at the back of the classroom, didn't you?

The Russian did nothing, zero. 7 months of investigations. Zero.

You lefties caught wind of a fake conspiracy by your side, and it took off.

List the things that Russia did, we're all ears.

I think Trump did you a favor and confirmed Russians were busy affecting elections in 2016.

What happened? I thought there was nothing there?

exthrower wrote:

eric a blair wrote:

the real number is .067%, but who's counting. Trumpers don't need no stinking facts.

8 of their 12,000 cases have been overturned.

"The 9th Circuit is by far the largest circuit. In the 12 months leading up to March, 31, 2015, just under 12,000 cases were filed in the 9th Circuit — more than 4,000 more than the next-largest circuit, the 5th Circuit. Despite that gigantic docket, the Supreme Court heard just 11 cases from the 9th Circuit in 2015, reversing eight.

This means the Supreme Court generally reverses far less than 1 percent of all the cases the 9th Circuit (and other circuits) decide."

Sorry...81% since 2005....Google it, you lazy slob.

guaranteed I dress better than you.

There are obviously two numbers being thrown around.

I'm citing the number of 9th circuit cases that are overturned. That is miniscule. 0.67%

Others are citing the number of cases sent to SCOTUS first decided by the 9th. Of those. something like 80% are overturned.

Of course, when only 0.67% of a court's decisions are overturned, there is no problem.

And of course SCOTUS has not overturned the 9th's decision - they merely agreed to hear the case.

eric a blair wrote:

exthrower wrote:

Sorry...81% since 2005....Google it, you lazy slob.

guaranteed I dress better than you.

There are obviously two numbers being thrown around.

I'm citing the number of 9th circuit cases that are overturned. That is miniscule. 0.67%

Others are citing the number of cases sent to SCOTUS first decided by the 9th. Of those. something like 80% are overturned.

Of course, when only 0.67% of a court's decisions are overturned, there is no problem.

And of course SCOTUS has not overturned the 9th's decision - they merely agreed to hear the case.

Reversal rate of cases that the supreme court hears is a silly statistic. SCOTUS takes very few cases. The cases they do take are usually because two or more circuits disagree or when the case itself is interesting in terms of its effect on current legal theory. In other words, the cases are usually taken because of the merits of the case itself and not because the supremes think the lower court messed up. So why even keep track?

If you want the silly statistic, here are the reversal rates from 2010 to 2015:

6th Circuit - 87 percent;

11th Circuit - 85 percent;

9th Circuit - 79 percent;

3rd Circuit - 78 percent;

2nd Circuit and Federal Circuit - 68 percent;

8th Circuit - 67 percent;

5th Circuit - 66 percent;

7th Circuit - 48 percent;

DC Circuit - 45 percent;

1st Circuit and 4th Circuit - 43 percent;

10th Circuit - 42 percent.

Even if the stat were meaningful, the sample size is so small it would tell us nothing about the quality of the circuit. In a year or two, the 10th could be right up near the top.

It's just hard to come up wit ha good HC system in the US the way economics are constructed. You can either have a generous system that attempts to capture all, or a harsher system that tends to disfavor some. Repubs will have it tough with the optic of this plan.

Just now- CBO found that premiums would likely rise next year and the year after under the Senate bill, but would fall after that. In 2020, the average premium for the benchmark plan would be about 30% lower than under current law, mainly because those policies would cover fewer benefits -- and come with much higher deductibles -- and because insurers would receive federal funds designed to lower rates.

eric a blair wrote:

guaranteed I dress better than you.

I can vouch for this. This fool actually irons his shorts before every run.

And of course SCOTUS has not overturned the 9th's decision - they merely agreed to hear the case.

By immediately lifting the injunction on the majority of EO-2, SCOTUS directly rebuked the judicial action of the 9th.

They basically called the 9th a bunch of leftist tools.

kekistani wrote:

alright libbies!

the russia hoax is crumbling - what's next on your anti-trump agenda? better keep shifting shifting shifting lololol

I don’t know – it’s hard for me to see any U.S. ties to Russia…except for the Flynn thing and the Manafort thing

and the Tillerson thing

and the Sessions thing

and the Kushner thing

and the Carter Page thing

and the Roger Stone thing

and the Felix Sater thing

and the Boris Ephsteyn thing

and the Rosneft thing

and the Gazprom thing

and the Sergey Gorkov banker thing

and the Azerbajain thing

and the “I love Putin” thing

and the Donald Trump, Jr. thing

and the Sergey Kislyak thing

and the Russian Affiliated Interests thing

and the Russian Business Interests thing

and the Emoluments Clause thing

and the Alex Schnaider thing

and the hack of the DNC thing

and the Guccifer 2.0 thing

and the Mike Pence “I don’t know anything” thing

and the Russians mysteriously dying thing

and Trump’s public request to Russia to hack Hillary’s email thing

and the Trump house sale for $100 million at the bottom of the housing bust to the Russian fertilizer king thing

and the Russian fertilizer king’s plane showing up in Concord, NC during Trump rally campaign thing

and the Nunes sudden flight to the White House in the night thing

and the Nunes personal investments in the Russian winery thing

and the Cyprus bank thing

and Trump not releasing his tax returns thing

and the Republican Party’s rejection of an amendment to require Trump to show his taxes thing

and the election hacking thing

and the GOP platform change to the Ukraine thing

and the Steele Dossier thing

and the Leninist Bannon thing

and the Sally Yates can’t testify thing

and the intelligence community’s investigative reports thing

and the Trump reassurance that the Russian connection is all “fake news” thing

and the Spicer’s Russian Dressing “nothing’s wrong” thing

and the Chaffetz not willing to start an investigation thing

and the Chaffetz suddenly deciding to go back to private life in the middle of an investigation thing

and the The Lead DOJ Investigator Mary McCord SUDDENLY in the middle of the investigation decides to resign thing

and the appointment of Pam Bondi who was bribed by trump in the trump university scandal appointed to head the investigation thing

and the The White House going into full-on cover-up mode, refusing to turn over the documents related to the hiring and subsequent firing of Flynn thing

and the Chaffetz and White House blaming the poor vetting of Flynn on Obama thing

and the Poland and British intelligence gave information regarding the hacking back in 2015 to Paul Ryan and he didn't do anything thing

and the Agent M16 following the money thing

And now the trump team KNEW about Flynn's involvement but hired him anyway thing

and The Corey Lewendowski thing

and the Preet Bharara firing thing but before he left he transferred evidence against trump to a state level Schneiderman thing

And the Betsy Devos' Brother thing

And the Sebastian Gorka thing

And the Greg Gianforte from Montana thing

And the pence actually was warned about Flynn before he was hired thing

and the Pence and Manafort connection thing

And the 7 Allies coming forward with audio where trump was picked up in incidental wire tapping thing

and the carter Page defying the Senate's order to hand over his Russian contact list

and the trump wants to VETO Sally Yates' testimony thing

and the trump trying to discredit Yates thing

and NOW the Obama told trump personally about Flynn thing and NOW THE COMEY THING!

SO yeah there’s probably nothing there!

No matter how you look at it, ACA was a victory for all Americans. Republicans have been crying about the growing debt and how we just keep kicking the can. What do they think was happening with the healthcare system? The country has only gotten fatter and sicker while hospitals cannot turn people down for emergency care. That equals higher premiums and taxes for everyone. The biggest achievement of ACA IMO is that it finally gave people a way to access preventing care. I like it precisely because I don't want my bill to grow. Republicans want to deny that it's not their problem but it has always been everyone's problem. Admit or not, we've always been collectively footing the bill for everyone's health issues. It's a question of how big the bill was getting and who was mostly paying. Twist and turn facts all you want deplorables, it is literally a public health issue and the insurers are all crooks. On average, their care sucked for the cost.

L L wrote:

The Republicans are incapable of writing a better healthcare plan than Obamacare.

I believe you are right in that they will likely fail to pass a new law, fail to support the current one which means instability, then keep blaming Obamacare for political gain.

Or worse, they actually pass one of their plans and millions will be worse off.

This entire thread has been a sideshow of bickering and finger pointing.

But I haven't seen one Republican or Trump supporter discuss any details of what they'ed like to see passed.

It's just "We won! You lost!"

Come on. We all lost.

This is true - Obama publicly dared them to come up with a better plan since 2009 and not once did anyone bring forth a sensible proposal. Maybe some people thought they'd finally take out their magic plan from their secret vault now that they have full political control but nope, they've got nothing.

Hey deplorable, please repost when you learn to write coherently and maybe you'll get some bites.

Democrats lose again!!!!

L L wrote:

The one "problem" with Obamacare is that it needs support and commitment at the federal level to stabilize the markets.

Insurers need to know what the rules will be.

Trump gives no assurances, so they have to set premiums higher.

Americans are going to get shafted by the capitalism they so much treasure. This is public health we are talking about, not some little widgets or video games. Insurers are going to completely exit poor markets (throughout Midwest and south) and will work hard to keep premiums (their bottom lines) as large as possible without any fvcking concern for who gets screwed. IT IS A BUSINESS. What will happen to those who can't get insured? No, they are not suddenly going to be able to find jobs that cover them. They are going to simply stop going to the doctor until they have emergencies, meaning a deeper budget hole for each state. How are states going to cover that? You guessed it, taxes. Want to avoid being taxed under ACA? Sure, wait and see how much more in taxes you'll be paying in the future. It's everybody's problem - capitalism isn't going to alleviate that. Businesses exist to make money, not to make your life better. Yes, the two can co-exist, but in the case of insurers the house always wins. We will get even more screwed.

The ACA is garbage. The only way to fix this mess is with universal healthcare.

It's the trump standard. Morals are out of the equation. The only thing that matters is that Trump won and that any garbage gets passed so he can appear capable.

eric a blair wrote:

I honestly don't understand how a GOP senator could vote for this bill knowing that next year it would leave 15 million people without health insurance.

What kind of a moral black hole is that? Who would even consider this thing?

equality wrote:

The ACA is garbage. The only way to fix this mess is with universal healthcare.

That's true, but it was symbolically a step in the right direction. Let's face it, universal healthcare isn't going to happen from where we are politically. ACA was a baby step.

Rand Paul and Susan Collins have both confirmed that they will vote no on the motion to proceed. One more and MitchCare is dead for the time being.

Yes, and I haven't seen one Clinton supporter discuss any details of what they "think" she would have passed. It's just "we suck, we suck!"Come on. You lost.Obama dared them to come up with a better plan???? That's total BS, he wouldn't listen to the right, period. You have no clout or value, go back to the sidelines.Clinton won the popular vote by approximately 2%. Sorry Dems, in the world of stats, we call that a sneeze! If Trump would have won by 2%, we'd still call it a sneeze. Clinton had about 834,381 illegal votes, so she didn't actually win the popular vote by even 2%, so it's less than a sneeze. “Most voters are never asked for voter ID, so it is dishonest to suggest that with the tens of millions of illegal and legal aliens here, there is no voter fraud,” said Tom Fitton, who heads the conservative watchdog group Judicial Watch. “If the key Old Dominion study results on the 2008 election are applied to 2016 — 1.41 million aliens may have voted illegally, with 1.13 million voting for Democrats.”Here's the link, but I already know that you'll dismiss it as that's what freebie liberals do.http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/26/hillary-clinton-received-800000-votes-from-nonciti/

eric a blair wrote:

I honestly don't understand how a GOP senator could vote for this bill knowing that next year it would leave 15 million people without health insurance.

What kind of a moral black hole is that? Who would even consider this thing?

Maybe this will help:

I don't understand how a Democratic senator wont support a ban of terrorists that come from failed countries to kill people in the US.

Now that Trump is pointing fingers at Obama regarding Russian collusion in the election, we know for sure Trump colluded with them.