Definitely don't take that bet, right now the Republicans have bent all of the rules of fairness. With active voter suppression, active first amendment suppression, widespread right wing gerrymandering, Russian hacking to enable Trump and the Republicans confirmed by 17 independent agencies, a Republican majority in Congress, the odds are being artificially tilted in their favor. The Republicans are the new Nazis, willing to sell out America to protect Trump and stay in power at all costs.
Trump's trusted advisor at it again
Your whole post is complete lies. Stay on the left, it can only help the right and hurt your side even more. 18 independent agencies confirmed that Hillary is a complete liar and that their foundation was a fraud.Clinton, American fraud hacking with millions of unregistered illegal voters enabled her to make it close.Clinton, willing to let illegals in who will do harm to innocent U.S. citizens. Liberals don't even know what the word means, except that they'll get free stuff while others sacrifice for them to have it=socialism.
Proud Liberal wrote:
Definitely don't take that bet, right now the Republicans have bent all of the rules of fairness. With active voter suppression, active first amendment suppression, widespread right wing gerrymandering, Russian hacking to enable Trump and the Republicans confirmed by 17 independent agencies, a Republican majority in Congress, the odds are being artificially tilted in their favor. The Republicans are the new Nazis, willing to sell out America to protect Trump and stay in power at all costs.
Proud Liberal wrote:
http://www.businessinsider.com/new-york-times-used-full-page-to-print-all-trump-lies-since-taking-office-2017-6
"Twinkle twinkle little tsar,
Putin put you where you are..."
I work for a large public company with over a billion per year in revenue. My medical plan wasn't affected much by Obamacare.If you think higher deductibles were the reason that millions of uninsured Americans got health insurance under Obamacare then do explain that to us. We're waiting for your brilliant analysis.But back here in the real world, people who understand a little about how the health insurance market works will stick with the truth as I've already explained it.
Starburster Wrote wrote:
Yeah, says the poor poster who was the beneficiary of others deductibles rising to insane levels to support him. Yeah, you surely took the short bus to school didn't ya?
Fat hurts wrote:True, though the mandate probably had a less dramatic effect. The tax penalties were very small at first, so it didn't "suddenly" incentivize many people get insurance.
I think you are generally correct about the loss of the mandate. It would cause premiums to rise and could even cause the whole system to eventually collapse. Then Republicans would have to explain why they blew up everyone's health insurance.
Keyllyanne is either stupid or sleazy. I know conservatives won't read that short article because they don't want to know the truth about people on Medicaid. Most adults on Medicaid already have jobs. But those jobs typically don't provide health care. The new bill makes things even worse because it eliminates the employer mandate so that even fewer jobs will come with health coverage.
TroLLminator wrote:
Trump's trusted advisor at it again
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/25/kellyanne-conway-those-on-medicaid-who-will-lose-insurance-can-get-jobs.html
Hey fat fck, just because you collect public assistance it doesn't qualify as "work," it is "revenue" though....the revenue of the American Tax Payer such as yours truly.
Get Government out of health insurance, they suck at it👎
Government-run health care (Medicare) beats private insurance by a mile. Just ask anyone over 65 if they would like to go back to a private insurance plan.
They might even tell you, "Keep the government's hands off my Medicare!".
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Uh oh, another lib meltdown is just around the corner. On deck, a Supreme Court iheading toward a 6-3 tilt. The LRC lib echo chamber will explode.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/06/24/supreme-court-will-justice-kennedy-retire-this-month.html
Justice Kennedy was appointed by Reagan.
If this administration replaces him, it will go from 5-4 to 5-4. No change.
No lock her up
No wall
No health care
No Muslim ban
No jobs increase
No bombing of ISIS
No withdrawal from NATO
No Russian partnership
No Flynn
No good approval rating
No avoiding a special investigation
Yes, she bitch slapped my hand away
Looooooooooooooser! We the American people can't take al the winning
First of all, you're full of crap. You know nothing about healthcare because if you did, you wouldn't have posted what you just did. The majority of my family is in the Midwest, and the majority are in the medical field. Two are orthopedic surgeons. Both flat out tell their patients that Obamacare screwed up everything and that they don't blame them for putting off surgeries (knee, shoulder, etc...) that they normally wouldn't have. When you have to come up with thousands out of pocket, the game changes.Yeah, I work for a large public company as well (but I know that you're lying), it's called the Big 3, ever hear of it? Do you know what your pathetic president did to our deductibles? Are you really that dense that you need it explained to you? I'll tell ya what slacker, you won't believe it, typical, but I personally know dozens and dozens of workers who retired with a $2000 deductible. After Obamacare it went to $7000, yes, $7000!!!!!!!!!! out of pocket per year. This was pointed out on another thread and everyone came back saying BS. I asked them to post their email address and we'll discuss it off line. Every single person refused as they knew they were wrong. Put your money where your mouth is, list your email address and I'll happily contact you and bet you big time. I believe your boy Flagpole was on that thread and he too said no way, until he was called out and then he backed down. Don't talk about things that you know nothing about, honestly, it makes you look stupid. All of you liberals will say, bullcrap, even if the people were sitting in your living room face to face. It's not a brilliant analysis, only to an unintelligent person like yourself. Why do you think deductibles went up? Are you seriously that dense? Talk to real people in medical field and learn a thing or two. From P.T. to Ortho, he messed it all up except for someone like you who benefitted from the others.
Fat hurts wrote:
I work for a large public company with over a billion per year in revenue. My medical plan wasn't affected much by Obamacare.
If you think higher deductibles were the reason that millions of uninsured Americans got health insurance under Obamacare then do explain that to us. We're waiting for your brilliant analysis.
But back here in the real world, people who understand a little about how the health insurance market works will stick with the truth as I've already explained it.
Starburster Wrote wrote:Yeah, says the poor poster who was the beneficiary of others deductibles rising to insane levels to support him. Yeah, you surely took the short bus to school didn't ya?
All lies. Clinton and Obama were as shady as they come. Don't you remember "YOU LIE"? Who yells out a comment like that with their peers around. Because Obama was a complete liar. Transparency? All meetings will be televised for the public? No earmarks? No closed door? Republicans and Democrats get the same voice? ETC...... All lies, but he was untouched along with Pelosi.
seeeg halie wrote:
No lock her up
No wall
No health care
No Muslim ban
No jobs increase
No bombing of ISIS
No withdrawal from NATO
No Russian partnership
No Flynn
No good approval rating
No avoiding a special investigation
Yes, she bitch slapped my hand away
Looooooooooooooser! We the American people can't take al the winning
this new guy might be the worst poster of them all. Why do so many trumpers write as if they were brain damaged?any trumpers care to have a reasonable debate? With facts? Sentences?just one of you? out there? no?
Halie is blind as a >>>? wrote:
All lies. Clinton and Obama were as shady as they come. Don't you remember "YOU LIE"? Who yells out a comment like that with their peers around. Because Obama was a complete liar. Transparency? All meetings will be televised for the public? No earmarks? No closed door? Republicans and Democrats get the same voice? ETC...... All lies, but he was untouched along with Pelosi.
seeeg halie wrote:No lock her up
No wall
No health care
No Muslim ban
No jobs increase
No bombing of ISIS
No withdrawal from NATO
No Russian partnership
No Flynn
No good approval rating
No avoiding a special investigation
Yes, she bitch slapped my hand away
Looooooooooooooser! We the American people can't take al the winning
Brainhelper for Fathead wrote:
I'll tell ya what slacker, you won't believe it, typical, but I personally know dozens and dozens of workers who retired with a $2000 deductible. After Obamacare it went to $7000, yes, $7000!!!!!!!!!! out of pocket per year.
Well, let's look at the specifics of those dozens and dozens of people.
What age did they retire?
Too young for Medicare?
If they went from an employer paid to being retired and entered the individual market, they would surely see a great change.
Was their premium the same?
Did the higher deductible coverage actually cover a lot more than the previous one?
How is the current House or Senate bill going to help them?
With the House bill, they'd get a smaller tax break because they are older.
With the Senate bill, they likely wouldn't qualify for any subsidies.
And without a mandate of young people paying in, they don't get the help of healthy people paying in to deflect their old people costs.
Simply getting older means higher costs.
What was the mechanism of Obamacare that allegedly shot the deductible up? More comprehensive coverage?
the answer with the ACA is always going to be 'helped more people than it hurt.'
there is no denying that some people got a worse deal with the ACA than they had before.
But when you add up the people helped vs. the people hurt, the former number is millions of people larger than the number hurt.
What is supposed to happen is that the Congress would take a look at the problems and the people hurt and try to fix them through modifications. That's how these mega programs are supposed to work.
But the ideologues in the GOP organized an entire political party on destroying the ACA. So they can't do that. Now the GOP plan is to flame out on their own plan, leave the ACA in place and let it struggle or collapse, without helping.
To them, that would be a political victory. To the people, it is a catastrophe.
The Republicans are incapable of writing a better healthcare plan than Obamacare.
I believe you are right in that they will likely fail to pass a new law, fail to support the current one which means instability, then keep blaming Obamacare for political gain.
Or worse, they actually pass one of their plans and millions will be worse off.
This entire thread has been a sideshow of bickering and finger pointing.
But I haven't seen one Republican or Trump supporter discuss any details of what they'ed like to see passed.
It's just "We won! You lost!"
Come on. We all lost.
alright libbies!
the russia hoax is crumbling - what's next on your anti-trump agenda? better keep shifting shifting shifting lololol
kekistani wrote:
what's next on your anti-trump agenda
financial crimes
trump has been found guilty of many of them. I'm sure many have been undiscovered. Jared in particular is in trouble there.
but the collusion and obstruction issues are still out there - don't get too confident. Certainly Trump isn't confident. He is panic tweeting almost every day about it. He knows something.
kekistani wrote:
alright libbies!
the russia hoax is crumbling - what's next on your anti-trump agenda? better keep shifting shifting shifting lololol
The Russia investigation is getting quiet.
That's a good thing when you are trying to build a case. Don't need evidence leaking out before any trial or hearing.
But the "anti-Trump agenda" has always been that he doesn't speak for the masses and can't get anything done.
Is there a rule against attaching a helium balloon to yourself while running a road race?
Am I living in the twilight zone? The Boston Marathon weather was terrible!
How rare is it to run a sub 5 minute mile AND bench press 225?
Move over Mark Coogan, Rojo and John Kellogg share their 3 favorite mile workouts
Mark Coogan says that if you could only do 3 workouts as a 1500m runner you should do these
Red Bull (who sponsors Mondo) calls Mondo the pole vaulting Usain Bolt. Is that a fair comparison?