Fat hurts wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
Yes. It's hard to imagine a scenario where impeachment does not pass the house. I honestly can't think of one.*
* Except the four ways an authoritarian leaves office of course. Those are always on the table.
Yep. He's getting impeached. What he did should trouble all Americans...completely unpatriotic, anti-American, and corrupt.
We should impeach every lawmaker ever. A quid-pro-quo is the basis for every negotiation that has ever occurred. Ever. You give something, you get something. That's the way it works folks.
This must be the most asinine theory ever.
Calyope wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
Is one way similar to the execution of nicolae and elena ceausescu?
FH has listed those several times. How do you not know what they are by now? I have the answer. It's because you either never read anything, or you are just an idiot racist wanker. Why do you ask such stupid questions and say such stupid things? You are in over your head here, mate. Go elsewhere.
Thanks, Calyope ... I will take that as a compliment.
W.W. wrote:
We should impeach every lawmaker ever. A quid-pro-quo is the basis for every negotiation that has ever occurred. Ever. You give something, you get something. That's the way it works folks.
This must be the most asinine theory ever.
Exactly ... Bill Clinton transferred highly sensitive missile technology was back when. Were you Liberals clamoring for his impeachment back then? Oh, he has the same political affiliation as you so you don't care. Hypocrites!
Flagpole wrote:
The Fokus wrote:
I think this is a mistake on the Dems part. It's certainly too soon. Waiting a week or 10 days probably would have helped the situation in terms of finding what is out there. There is also the perception problem of some Dems who've been screaming for impeachment for 2 years.
I think there is at least as good a chance this blows up in the Dems faces and contributes to a Trump re-election than it does to either a removal from office....which just isn't happening...or a Democratic win in 2020 in the WH and elsewhere.
There will be a perception problem, but only because the bulk of Americans don't pay attention and aren't properly informed.
Some things:
1) While SOME Democrats have been screaming for impeachment for 2 years, most of the leadership has not been.
2) What has caused Democrats to act now is that this is NEW behavior from the President, he has admitted to a crime, it has to do with behavior that could affect an upcoming election rather than a past one (can't be accused of sour grapes due to election result), and this situation has been described as "urgent concern" by the IC IG, a Trump appointee.
The perception problem is going to be the biggest problem for the Democrats.
Sally Vix wrote:
W.W. wrote:
We should impeach every lawmaker ever. A quid-pro-quo is the basis for every negotiation that has ever occurred. Ever. You give something, you get something. That's the way it works folks.
This must be the most asinine theory ever.
Exactly ... Bill Clinton transferred highly sensitive missile technology was back when. Were you Liberals clamoring for his impeachment back then? Oh, he has the same political affiliation as you so you don't care. Hypocrites!
To China I meant so say. But you Libs never said a peep back then. Shame, Shame, Shame! As Gomer would say.
Sally Vix wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
* Except the four ways an authoritarian leaves office of course. Those are always on the table.
Is one way similar to the execution of nicolae and elena ceausescu?
Yes.
W.W. wrote:
We should impeach every lawmaker ever. A quid-pro-quo is the basis for every negotiation that has ever occurred. Ever. You give something, you get something. That's the way it works folks.
This must be the most asinine theory ever.
NOOOO. The President is NOT ALLOWED to "negotiate" for the investigation by a foreign power into his own political rival.
Quid pro quo doesn't even apply here. The simple fact that Trump asked Ukraine to investigate Biden is enough. There is a TON of corruption going on in Ukraine, but Trump is interested ONLY in Biden? Corrupt. Illegal. Impeachable.
Trump WILL be impeached.
Flagpole wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
* Except the four ways an authoritarian leaves office of course. Those are always on the table.
Yep. He's getting impeached. What he did should trouble all Americans...completely unpatriotic, anti-American, and corrupt.
It doesn't trouble me. Quite the opposite actually. I think it is a good idea to root out corruption in politics, regardless of party. Seems there is plenty of smoke surrounding Biden & Biden Jr. I think it should be looked at and find it more troubling that these stories have not been investigated....While I have yet to see the text of an actual law that Trump violated, if he did so, he too should be investigated.
Flagpole wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
* Except the four ways an authoritarian leaves office of course. Those are always on the table.
Yep. He's getting impeached. What he did should trouble all Americans...completely unpatriotic, anti-American, and corrupt.
Please show me one quote where you clamored for Bill Clinton's impeachment when Bill Clinton gave sensitive missile technology to the Chinese! Just one! Oh - you only care about Republican wrongdoin?
Not That Troubling wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Yep. He's getting impeached. What he did should trouble all Americans...completely unpatriotic, anti-American, and corrupt.
It doesn't trouble me. Quite the opposite actually. I think it is a good idea to root out corruption in politics, regardless of party. Seems there is plenty of smoke surrounding Biden & Biden Jr. I think it should be looked at and find it more troubling that these stories have not been investigated....While I have yet to see the text of an actual law that Trump violated, if he did so, he too should be investigated.
Exactly! The media has never investigated the allegations against Biden and Hunter. They have only talked about Trump looking for dirt. What Hunter and Biden did is much worse than what Trump has alleged to have done. Why has the media not ONCE looked into the allegations against the Bidens? They have never looked in to them!
Letsrun wasn't around but I have a cassette tape of Flagpole Willy clamoring for Bill Clinton's impeachment.
Let me get a cassette player and try to figure out how to stream it from there.
Sally Vix wrote:
Calyope wrote:
FH has listed those several times. How do you not know what they are by now? I have the answer. It's because you either never read anything, or you are just an idiot racist wanker. Why do you ask such stupid questions and say such stupid things? You are in over your head here, mate. Go elsewhere.
Thanks, Calyope ... I will take that as a compliment.
It's no compliment, mate. You are a toddler running in nappies into a room full mostly of adults. You and that Rigged fella are both wearing nappies. Go find some appropriate toys to play with. Fool wanker.
Can you hear that sound? it's the foundations of the trump administration shaking.
DNI threatening to quit if trump orders him to stonewall congress on the whistleblower complaint. The trump admin ordes EVERYONE to stonewall congress.
is this a man? A man with honor? In the trump administration?
Sally Vix wrote:
Please show me one quote where you clamored for Bill Clinton's impeachment when Bill Clinton gave sensitive missile technology to the Chinese! Just one! Oh - you only care about Republican wrongdoin?
You retard. Trump gave advance, top-secret, sensitive missile technology to the Saudi's whose national were responsible for 9/11.
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-saudi-arabia-bombs-us-tech-2019-6and
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2019/04/07/bribed-why-is-trump-giving-nuclear-arms-to-saudi-arabia/Why did Biden want some Ukrainian prosecutor fired eight times? You'd think once would be sufficient.
https://nationalpostcom.files.wordpress.com/2019/09/talks2222.jpg
Flagpole wrote:
W.W. wrote:
We should impeach every lawmaker ever. A quid-pro-quo is the basis for every negotiation that has ever occurred. Ever. You give something, you get something. That's the way it works folks.
This must be the most asinine theory ever.
NOOOO. The President is NOT ALLOWED to "negotiate" for the investigation by a foreign power into his own political rival.
Quid pro quo doesn't even apply here. The simple fact that Trump asked Ukraine to investigate Biden is enough. There is a TON of corruption going on in Ukraine, but Trump is interested ONLY in Biden? Corrupt. Illegal. Impeachable.
Trump WILL be impeached.
Is this really your position? Take a breath and think about it for second. You mean that the head of the executive branch of the government, you know the one that is responsible for enforcing laws, is not allowed to investigate serious allegations of criminal wrongdoing if the target is part of the opposing political party? How is that good for America? If it helps, pretend Obama is still president and Trump was the accused - see if you get to the same conclusion.
The Fokus wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
There will be a perception problem, but only because the bulk of Americans don't pay attention and aren't properly informed.
Some things:
1) While SOME Democrats have been screaming for impeachment for 2 years, most of the leadership has not been.
2) What has caused Democrats to act now is that this is NEW behavior from the President, he has admitted to a crime, it has to do with behavior that could affect an upcoming election rather than a past one (can't be accused of sour grapes due to election result), and this situation has been described as "urgent concern" by the IC IG, a Trump appointee.
The perception problem is going to be the biggest problem for the Democrats.
It will be PROBABLY the thing that Senate Republicans can try to glom onto to vote to acquit. Won't stop the impeachment though.
agip wrote:
Can you hear that sound? it's the foundations of the trump administration shaking.
DNI threatening to quit if trump orders him to stonewall congress on the whistleblower complaint. The trump admin ordes EVERYONE to stonewall congress.
is this a man? A man with honor? In the trump administration?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/acting-director-of-national-intelligence-threatened-to-resign-if-he-couldnt-speak-freely-before-congress/2019/09/25/b1deb71e-dfbf-11e9-be96-6adb81821e90_story.html
I said it before. He is my new hero.
It appears we finally have found an honest man in Tiny's administration.
Sally, elected republicans are laughing at people like you, who honestly believe the president is a good guy doing the right thing.
I mean they must be chortling at how low lifes like you believe trump's BS.
https://twitter.com/mitchellreports/status/1176901688139165697?s=20
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