Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

Trump should suspend Congress, because he doesn’t LIKE them!

Flagpole wrote:

Anyone still think The House will NOT impeach Trump?

The House HAS to do it now. There is no choice, and here's the main reason:

When we get down to the end of the campaign and we are ready to vote in November 2020, IF the Democrat-controlled House has not impeached Trump, he will look into the eyes of Americans and say, "I obviously didn't do anything wrong, or they (the House) would have impeached me."

The idea that an impeachment helps Trump is bogus. The House can no longer ponder and wait for something else to happen and say that impeachment is a "last resort" as Schiff has long said...the last resort has arrived.

We have a criminal in the White House, and the House must impeach him...and it WILL.

I think Pelosi has played it just right. This is perfect timing.

The House will start to get the information it needs as courts start ruling that documents must be handed over and officials must testify. It will highlight Tiny's corruption going into election season at a time when it is too late to pick another Republican candidate.

Many of Tiny's enablers in the senate will go down as well. The whole strategy is coming together nicely.

I believe you are right.

I do not like playing politics with this issue, though I understand that is just the way it is. In a perfect world, the House would use its oversight responsibilities to impeach a corrupt president, regardless of timing or any political advantage thoughts.

Flagpole wrote:

Anyone still think The House will NOT impeach Trump?

*raises hand*

Not happening. No one cares about the Mueller report except people who were already heavily invested in it over the past two years. No one cares about the Ukrainian thing except people who already didn't like Trump. Impeachment in the house will be purely symbolic since the Senate won't even bring it to the floor and you'll change no one's mind on the issue. So what exactly would impeachment get? A moral victory maybe? It sure as hell isn't going to win any voters and you certainly risk losing independents in my opinion.

Baby trump is whining now! “But...you can’t impeach your precious little snowflake...can you?”

Racket wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

Anyone still think The House will NOT impeach Trump?

*raises hand*

Not happening. No one cares about the Mueller report except people who were already heavily invested in it over the past two years. No one cares about the Ukrainian thing except people who already didn't like Trump. Impeachment in the house will be purely symbolic since the Senate won't even bring it to the floor and you'll change no one's mind on the issue. So what exactly would impeachment get? A moral victory maybe? It sure as hell isn't going to win any voters and you certainly risk losing independents in my opinion.

Actually, I will concede that impeachment could lead to stronger Democrat donations and volunteering which could help make a difference

Racket wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

Anyone still think The House will NOT impeach Trump?

*raises hand*

Not happening. No one cares about the Mueller report except people who were already heavily invested in it over the past two years. No one cares about the Ukrainian thing except people who already didn't like Trump. Impeachment in the house will be purely symbolic since the Senate won't even bring it to the floor and you'll change no one's mind on the issue. So what exactly would impeachment get? A moral victory maybe? It sure as hell isn't going to win any voters and you certainly risk losing independents in my opinion.

Ok. I believe you are wrong. Doesn't matter what the Senate does. If the House doesn't impeach Trump, he gets to say he didn't do anything wrong. THAT's what's not happening.

I believe people care about the Ukrainian thing. Ironic that Trumpers don't want immigrants coming here because they say they want to preserve American culture, but yet they look the other way when the stupid President they support look for foreign interference in our election. This actually gives the Ukrainian President leverage over Trump if he wanted to use it and knew how to use it.

Fat hurts wrote:

I think Pelosi has played it just right. This is perfect timing.

The House will start to get the information it needs as courts start ruling that documents must be handed over and officials must testify. It will highlight Tiny's corruption going into election season at a time when it is too late to pick another Republican candidate.

Many of Tiny's enablers in the senate will go down as well. The whole strategy is coming together nicely.

I highly disagree.

Perfect timing would have been the end of April. After the Mueller Reports came out.

Trump survived the public seeing his associates being sent to jail and then the release of a 400 page report that detailed the Russians help and his obstruction of the investigation of it. And there was still fresh news of Cohen's testimony.

This Ukraine stuff is just more noise with that others stuff being old news.

He is now immune to all of this and the public doesn't care. The Republican Senators aren't up in arms.

Pelosi missed her window for impeachment.

She may want to use this latest scandal to pick up more House seats in the election, but has no interest in having the president removed from office. She cares about political moves, not any kind of justice that the Constitution asked Congress to provide when a president goes put of bounds.

the key piece of cover that this scandal has is that moderate dems can hide behind claims of 'national security.'

trump was pretty clearly using funds needed for national security to harm his election rival. When you start talking about guns and throw weights it all seems more serious.

Whereas the mueller russia piece was just election messing - no guns involved.

X-Runner wrote:

She may want to use this latest scandal to pick up more House seats in the election, but has no interest in having the president removed from office. She cares about political moves, not any kind of justice that the Constitution asked Congress to provide when a president goes put of bounds.

Picking up House and Senate seats in 2020 is infinitely more important and relevant than impeachment that won't even hit the Senate floor

I think the timing is pretty good.

Pelosi can say ' I didn't rush to impeachment...I didn't really want to...but now this is national security and we simply have to.'

Which sounds a lot better now that trump i smessing with national security and has admitted the crime. Now is a good time - as long as impeachment happens, pelosi played it right. Maybe she knew trump would eventually commit serious offenses or maybe she just got lucky.

Racket wrote:

X-Runner wrote:

She may want to use this latest scandal to pick up more House seats in the election, but has no interest in having the president removed from office. She cares about political moves, not any kind of justice that the Constitution asked Congress to provide when a president goes put of bounds.

Picking up House and Senate seats in 2020 is infinitely more important and relevant than impeachment that won't even hit the Senate floor

remember that Dems actually believe in government and think government is good. Dems want to do the right thing by the country. Pelosi knows history will ask why, if she doesnt' do it, why did the Dems not impeach with clear high crimes and misdemeanors.

Racket wrote:

X-Runner wrote:

She may want to use this latest scandal to pick up more House seats in the election, but has no interest in having the president removed from office. She cares about political moves, not any kind of justice that the Constitution asked Congress to provide when a president goes put of bounds.

Picking up House and Senate seats in 2020 is infinitely more important and relevant than impeachment that won't even hit the Senate floor

That is a short-term blinders on view. The fact that THIS Senate might not even bring impeachment up for a vote is irrelevant. Future potential Presidents (more Trumps?) need to know that we will NOT tolerate dictator behavior. The step available to us do what we can against a corrupt president needs to be taken, and it will.

Bill Weld just said Trump has committed treason. Other Republicans will follow...maybe not calling it treason, but standing against him.

Racket wrote:

Racket wrote:

*raises hand*

Not happening. No one cares about the Mueller report except people who were already heavily invested in it over the past two years. No one cares about the Ukrainian thing except people who already didn't like Trump. Impeachment in the house will be purely symbolic since the Senate won't even bring it to the floor and you'll change no one's mind on the issue. So what exactly would impeachment get? A moral victory maybe? It sure as hell isn't going to win any voters and you certainly risk losing independents in my opinion.

Actually, I will concede that impeachment could lead to stronger Democrat donations and volunteering which could help make a difference

Ok. I don't care about that though. I want justice and an America that has leadership determined by Americans, not foreign entities.

Flagpole wrote:

semsurr wrote:

Biden hurts Biden. But it doesn't matter, he's irrelevant. A liability. A doddering old man in the eyes of most citizens. The Democrat establishment will now push Warren.

I agree that Biden hurts Biden. He's not my first pick. What I said was true though...this news does potentially hurt Biden for the reasons I stated.

What is the ironic thing and VERY funny is that Biden was slipping anyway, and now Trump is in the hottest water yet because he was criminally pursuing dirt against Biden...when Biden may not be the Democrat nominee (though he still might be).

Biden is not my perfect choice candidate. Yes he is old and he tends to speak to quickly and at times impulsively. But this is the the important thing to consider. In many respects the job of the presidency is how whoever is president creates it. Obviously Trump puts very little effort into it. Its not a demanding job the way Trump has created it. Someone like Carter who was a classic micro-manager (he even made the schedule for the white tennis court) made it an extremely demanding job. There will always be pressure with the job but the work demands vary with the choices of the person in office.

Biden can be a very good president. I have already expressed my concerns regarding Warren and Sanders and how the republican machine can use their positions to scare the hell out of the more independent moderate voters. They probably would win anyway but the path will not be so easy.

I do think there are better democratic candidates than Biden but the system requires a candidate to have one of more of the following things to get nominated, previous name recognition, major backing, and an entertaining charisma. None of other candidates who would be good have had any traction so far.

Biden will be a fine president. His VP choice will be huge.

Racket wrote:

X-Runner wrote:

She may want to use this latest scandal to pick up more House seats in the election, but has no interest in having the president removed from office. She cares about political moves, not any kind of justice that the Constitution asked Congress to provide when a president goes put of bounds.

Picking up House and Senate seats in 2020 is infinitely more important and relevant than impeachment that won't even hit the Senate floor

You just proved that the Founders erred by leaving accountability of the president up to politicians.

This is literally not impeaching for political reasons, which Nancy once said they shouldn't do.

"I don't think we should impeach a president for political reasons. But I don't think we should not impeach him because we think it's politically impeding for us to do so. We have to see what the facts are."

She's breaking her word of that second sentence.

The DOJ would be good for impeaching a president but it reports to the president and the leader is appointed by the president.

And as long as one party has at least 34 Senators, a political party can prevent the removal of a president.

And laws are meaningless when there are people in place that do not enforce the laws.

This whole thing is a Constitutional crisis.

Biden is the right guy for two reasons:

1) He represents calm and peace and good government. The nation needs a quiet period, not another trumpy period run by Warren, messing with everything and everyone.

2) I truly believe that Biden would work with Congress to put restrictions on the executive branch and give power back to congress, where it belongs. He's old, he's done, he is all about history and legacy. To give that gift back to the country could make him one of the great, great presidents of this nation.

Impeachment proceedings just mean baby trump can’t run, can’t hide, can’t shield any staffers...It’ll be fun.

The reality of modern politics is that "doing the right thing" is rarely rewarded, at least in the case of grand existential problems like this. You get things done by manipulating both sides carefully and weighing a lot of different options. Moral victories like impeachment is like a slam dunk in basketball: it's cute and impressive but still only worth 2 points.

The founding fathers were perhaps less cynical than people are today, but they weren't blind to the fact that concessions had to be made for the greater good.