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real world experience wrote:

A comment on the ID debate that seems to be going on (and on and on):

I have worked as a social worker for a long time. I have worked with dozens and dozens of people who did not have a state issued ID. Some of those folks had jobs, homes, bank accounts etc. Just about all of those things are possible to achieve without that state issued ID. Often times these people did have various forms of ID including an employee ID, a student ID, a social security card, birth certificate etc. etc. etc. None of those forms of ID would commonly qualify for voting in my state, but they would often be sufficient for housing or a job. There were also times when I had to personally vouch for somebody's identity. The most common I can think of is when people applied for public benefits without ID (or without the official state issued ID) the eligibility worker would need my affirmation.

Prior to 2001 there was really not a compelling need for a state ID, as all of the above things were pretty easy to do without it. After 2001 it became more difficult, but not impossible, to accomplish most of those things. but that is OK, things change. I worked with one guy who had 3 different social security numbers. When he (and I for that matter) was young you didn't need a SSN for tax purposes to take a child dependent deduction. So most of us didn't get them until we started working. This guy worked but was pretty nonverbal and didn't have any real stable supports, so people kept taking him to the SSA at different times and he couldn't tell them he already has a SSN, so they kept issuing him different ones. All settled and they just had pointers in the system. Anyway, frequently I worked with folks who did not have ID because they had lost it, or it had expired and they didn't have sufficient support to renew it before it expired. It was pretty much always a goal to help somebody who did not have ID to get one as it made a lot of those things easier. But for many people it was not a very high goal because it wasn't actively preventing them from doing anything they wanted to do.

It is not always easy to get an ID. The more ID somebody already had the easier it was to take them to DMV and get the official one. Sometime we had to start from zero, no birth certificate, no anything. That was the hardest way, usually starting with the birth certificate. It could take a long, long time to get an official ID in that situation and at least a little bit of money.

Some of these folks voted. Some didn't. Depended if they were eligible and interested. After my state implemented a voter ID law, it became much harder for folks to vote who were citizens and were fully eligible and had been voting for many years.

Silly YOU wrote:

SiIly WilIy wrote:

Nobody cares what you say, bruh. You've been wrong about this stuff for too long. You've been "Flagpoling" (as we call it in my running group) for over 3 years now.

Check this out from page 71 of this thread... what a jerk0ff:

"Flagpoling: When one makes foolish predictions with absolute certainty, goes into hiding when proven wrong and returns to pontificate again. That is Flagpoling. Don't do it boys and girls, otherwise risk endless ridicule.

Examples (posted by Flagpole):

"What polls will you cling to in 2020? Trump is not winning this election. For sure not. I can even give a chance percentage for Trump...not sure if I've told anyone here or not, but here it is...Trump has ZERO chance to win"

1) Hmm...we will see how much I know when Hillary easily wins this election. I am an expert on Presidential elections, so I do know what I'm talking about. You have no clue. Trump has ZERO chance to win.

2) Big crowds at rallies are not indicators for votes; they are not a criterion for determining who will win or not...and Hillary has been getting some very big crowds lately anyway.

3) You don't know a thing about polling or sampling or how Presidential elections are won. You have an Aunt who will vote for Trump in NH and bring some lpfriends and family with her? Really, that's what you're going with? Her view count? You have to be making this up.

4) So hilarious that you think people aren't excited or motivated to vote for Hillary. Nevada's race is likely already over due to early-voting Democrats.

5) I said Hillary would win this from the very beginning, because all evidence says she will...the 13 keys are now in her favor too. I said this even when the Trump took a lead after the GOP convention and when Lichtman was saying his keys were pointing to Trump (they have now turned to Clinton). What matters in Presidential elections is the economy (decent now and not in recession), approval rating of current President (he is above 50% which bodes well for Clinton), and a few other things, but none of them have to do with big crowds. Trump is a circus, so of course he draws big crowds.

Just say it with me, because it will be appropriate when the returns come in..."Flagpole, you were right all along, and I was wrong." Acceptance is the first step to change...accept after the election that you were wrong in your baseless assumptions and then change by reading about Presidential elections and what factors make a candidate win or lose. Or, if you don't have the interest in that, just refrain from making comments the next time."

Flagpole said NONE of those things, '

You should be banned for posting LIES!

real world experience wrote:

A comment on the ID debate that seems to be going on (and on and on):

I have worked as a social worker for a long time. I have worked with dozens and dozens of people who did not have a state issued ID. Some of those folks had jobs, homes, bank accounts etc. Just about all of those things are possible to achieve without that state issued ID. Often times these people did have various forms of ID including an employee ID, a student ID, a social security card, birth certificate etc. etc. etc. None of those forms of ID would commonly qualify for voting in my state, but they would often be sufficient for housing or a job. There were also times when I had to personally vouch for somebody's identity. The most common I can think of is when people applied for public benefits without ID (or without the official state issued ID) the eligibility worker would need my affirmation.

Prior to 2001 there was really not a compelling need for a state ID, as all of the above things were pretty easy to do without it. After 2001 it became more difficult, but not impossible, to accomplish most of those things. but that is OK, things change. I worked with one guy who had 3 different social security numbers. When he (and I for that matter) was young you didn't need a SSN for tax purposes to take a child dependent deduction. So most of us didn't get them until we started working. This guy worked but was pretty nonverbal and didn't have any real stable supports, so people kept taking him to the SSA at different times and he couldn't tell them he already has a SSN, so they kept issuing him different ones. All settled and they just had pointers in the system. Anyway, frequently I worked with folks who did not have ID because they had lost it, or it had expired and they didn't have sufficient support to renew it before it expired. It was pretty much always a goal to help somebody who did not have ID to get one as it made a lot of those things easier. But for many people it was not a very high goal because it wasn't actively preventing them from doing anything they wanted to do.

It is not always easy to get an ID. The more ID somebody already had the easier it was to take them to DMV and get the official one. Sometime we had to start from zero, no birth certificate, no anything. That was the hardest way, usually starting with the birth certificate. It could take a long, long time to get an official ID in that situation and at least a little bit of money.

Some of these folks voted. Some didn't. Depended if they were eligible and interested. After my state implemented a voter ID law, it became much harder for folks to vote who were citizens and were fully eligible and had been voting for many years.

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real world experience wrote:

A comment on the ID debate that seems to be going on (and on and on):

I have worked as a social worker for a long time. I have worked with dozens and dozens of people who did not have a state issued ID. Some of those folks had jobs, homes, bank accounts etc. Just about all of those things are possible to achieve without that state issued ID. Often times these people did have various forms of ID including an employee ID, a student ID, a social security card, birth certificate etc. etc. etc. None of those forms of ID would commonly qualify for voting in my state, but they would often be sufficient for housing or a job. There were also times when I had to personally vouch for somebody's identity. The most common I can think of is when people applied for public benefits without ID (or without the official state issued ID) the eligibility worker would need my affirmation.

Prior to 2001 there was really not a compelling need for a state ID, as all of the above things were pretty easy to do without it. After 2001 it became more difficult, but not impossible, to accomplish most of those things. but that is OK, things change. I worked with one guy who had 3 different social security numbers. When he (and I for that matter) was young you didn't need a SSN for tax purposes to take a child dependent deduction. So most of us didn't get them until we started working. This guy worked but was pretty nonverbal and didn't have any real stable supports, so people kept taking him to the SSA at different times and he couldn't tell them he already has a SSN, so they kept issuing him different ones. All settled and they just had pointers in the system. Anyway, frequently I worked with folks who did not have ID because they had lost it, or it had expired and they didn't have sufficient support to renew it before it expired. It was pretty much always a goal to help somebody who did not have ID to get one as it made a lot of those things easier. But for many people it was not a very high goal because it wasn't actively preventing them from doing anything they wanted to do.

It is not always easy to get an ID. The more ID somebody already had the easier it was to take them to DMV and get the official one. Sometime we had to start from zero, no birth certificate, no anything. That was the hardest way, usually starting with the birth certificate. It could take a long, long time to get an official ID in that situation and at least a little bit of money.

Some of these folks voted. Some didn't. Depended if they were eligible and interested. After my state implemented a voter ID law, it became much harder for folks to vote who were citizens and were fully eligible and had been voting for many years.

Thanks for your post.

It is a refreshing when someone posts something genuine, relevant, and of substance on here. Happens once every 100 pages or so.

Thanks.