upper midwest and rural PAers got suckered by Russian spam articles.
upper midwest and rural PAers got suckered by Russian spam articles.
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upper midwest and rural PAers got suckered by Russian spam articles.
It is not terribly unlikely that this will happen again (and again and . . . ).
this is it wrote:
Runningart2004 wrote:
https://www.factcheck.org/2008/02/the-reason-for-the-electoral-college/When you read that it's pretty clear that the actual goal of the electoral college was to prevent someone like Trump from winning the presidency.
Correct. He lacks the prerequisite experience and character. He fooled a lot of people because he frames himself as a successful businessman and makes hating brown people ok. A lot of people dislike Mexicans but are low key about it. A lot of people grew up in white areas that have been 'invaded' by brown folk over the last 20+ years.
Alan
Runningart2004 wrote:
this is it wrote:
When you read that it's pretty clear that the actual goal of the electoral college was to prevent someone like Trump from winning the presidency.
Correct. He lacks the prerequisite experience and character. He fooled a lot of people because he frames himself as a successful businessman and makes hating brown people ok. A lot of people dislike Mexicans but are low key about it. A lot of people grew up in white areas that have been 'invaded' by brown folk over the last 20+ years.
Alan
actually, anti-immigrant feelings are much more common in places with next to zero immigrants.
agip wrote:
Runningart2004 wrote:
Correct. He lacks the prerequisite experience and character. He fooled a lot of people because he frames himself as a successful businessman and makes hating brown people ok. A lot of people dislike Mexicans but are low key about it. A lot of people grew up in white areas that have been 'invaded' by brown folk over the last 20+ years.
Alan
actually, anti-immigrant feelings are much more common in places with next to zero immigrants.
Correct, and guess where you can find overwhelming support for trump’s vanity wall? Not in border states...
Trump did one thing that’s barely discussed, he exposed the extreme gullibility of Americans. We were all familiar with candidates having to dumb things down to be more liked and better understood but trump went straight to the lowest level one could go and he was right.
This, of course, is one poll. I recommend the article (it's a quick read): The poll makes a useful distinction between all Americans and registered voters.
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No surprise, Trump fares better with the registered voters--and IMO if the Dems can't figure out how to motivate people to register, they're likely looking at "four more years!" Too bad they seem to have squandered some of the enthusiasm/paranoia that fueled their resounding turnout in 2018 . . .
Often wrong but never in doubt wrote:
There are no far left candidates in the democratic primary. The sensible mainstream policy positions being advanced all poll as quite popular with the general electorate.
We need a candidate who will actually address the structural inequalities that are hollowing out the middle class.
Conundrum wrote:
You can't generalize about Obama being liberal and winning to our current situation. After Bush and his war, America was looking for someone good and honest and articulate.
This group of socialist democrats have a platform that will not be embraced in a general election. We need one of the more moderate democrat candidates who will connect with the general population.
This far left agenda will not sell in a general election.
Let's start with facts and then move to my opinion. A recent ABC poll had only one candidate significantly beating trump, that was Biden, a moderate. There was only one situation where trump was a clear winner of the election, if his opponent was thought to be a socialist. That socialist Democrat branding does not sell with the general electorate.
Now opinion on the more progressive ideas that won't sell with the general electorate:
1 As indicated, the Democrat Socialist label is a loser - sorry Bernie
2 Public option for insurance is good, taking away private insurance is a loser platform.
3 slavery reparations, seriously? 70% of the population against this.
4 Open borders, we want humane treatment not open borders
5 erase all college loans?????
6 minimum income for everyone
7 free college
8 forced busing (Harris has confused, mixed thoughts on this)
9 there were some other crazy ideas about equal pay and government contracts, and other stuff.
Fortunately many of the moderate democrats don't embrace these ideas. How about we win in 2020? These ideas is not the way.
Often wrong but never in doubt wrote:
There are no far left candidates in the democratic primary. The sensible mainstream policy positions being advanced all poll as quite popular with the general electorate.
We need a candidate who will actually address the structural inequalities that are hollowing out the middle class.
Conundrum wrote:
You can't generalize about Obama being liberal and winning to our current situation. After Bush and his war, America was looking for someone good and honest and articulate.
This group of socialist democrats have a platform that will not be embraced in a general election. We need one of the more moderate democrat candidates who will connect with the general population.
This far left agenda will not sell in a general election.
Aaaaaand Obama campaigned on and won on the most liberal policy idea since the New Deal.
Alan
Errr. What? wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
You want to equate the phrase "Betting on America" to actually placing a bet? That is not the same thing at all. Looks like I responded and so you were wrong. Really not worthy of my response though, but I have a rather lazy day today, so I responded.
Ummmm. It's right there on the slogan, slomo - "BETTING on America."
Are you really this obtuse?
[Sigh}
I really do tire of having to educate you people so often, and most of the time, as is the case here, it is NOT something I should have to teach you. Where were you people educated?
The word "bet" has two main meanings:
1) To risk something, usually a sum of money, against someone else's on the basis of the outcome of a future event, such as the result of a race or game.
2) To feel sure about something. "I bet this place is really spooky late at night."
When Obama used the slogan "Betting on America", he wasn't gambling money on how America would do. He was saying he felt certain that America would do well.
Good freakin' grief.
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Some sort of dumb dumb nonsense.
Donald Trump and his supporters: proud of 244 years of U.S. aviation.
https://res.cloudinary.com/teepublic/image/private/s--GWEuvDqJ--/t_Preview/b_rgb:191919,c_limit,f_jpg,h_630,q_90,w_630/v1562330512/production/designs/5242250_0.jpgRunningart2004 wrote:
Often wrong but never in doubt wrote:
There are no far left candidates in the democratic primary. The sensible mainstream policy positions being advanced all poll as quite popular with the general electorate.
We need a candidate who will actually address the structural inequalities that are hollowing out the middle class.
Aaaaaand Obama campaigned on and won on the most liberal policy idea since the New Deal.
Alan
None of these candidates are Obama following the hated Bush and his war. Obama was not for open borders, in fact he deported more illegals than any president before him, not for reparations, was for a public insurance option (didn't get it), not for free college or minimum income for everyone, didn't want to erase student loans. He was for saving some critical companies from going under because the country was in huge financial trouble.
Not at all like the far left of today. He was very moderate by comparison.
On more huge difference as why why there can be no comparison to Obama's election. If you recall our country was in a very scary financial crash. A republican president destroyed our economy and financial institutions the auto industry were basically out of business. The stock market crashed.
People wanted any change, and Obama was that change.
Our economy is nothing like it was when Obama ran. People will not want drastic change. Alan, look at the polls, the social democrats are not embraced and have a high risk platform.
We don't want to mess up this election.
Conundrum wrote:
Runningart2004 wrote:
Aaaaaand Obama campaigned on and won on the most liberal policy idea since the New Deal.
Alan
None of these candidates are Obama following the hated Bush and his war. Obama was not for open borders, in fact he deported more illegals than any president before him, not for reparations, was for a public insurance option (didn't get it), not for free college or minimum income for everyone, didn't want to erase student loans. He was for saving some critical companies from going under because the country was in huge financial trouble.
Not at all like the far left of today. He was very moderate by comparison.
yeah my memory is that obama ran as the purest anti-war candidate. I think alan is referring to health care? I don't remember that being a major factor, but it was a long time ago.
and people just hated Bush2 - he fouled the nest so many times in so many ways. Add that to the ever present need voters have to toss out the last party and bring in the new one and that's how obama won. Besides people really liking him.
kibitzer wrote:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-reaches-highest-approval-rating-presidency-latest-poll-n1027171?fbclid=IwAR2uZH2FYQANh21lp67SlvDfhPs-Wem7StGLpFt-Uq-WpFRIx1rVOBWs3F4This, of course, is one poll. I recommend the article (it's a quick read): The poll makes a useful distinction between all Americans and registered voters.
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No surprise, Trump fares better with the registered voters--and IMO if the Dems can't figure out how to motivate people to register, they're likely looking at "four more years!" Too bad they seem to have squandered some of the enthusiasm/paranoia that fueled their resounding turnout in 2018 . . .
When after 2 and a half years your highest approval rating is only 44% (with 53% disapproval) that's pretty sad.
Is he going to tweet about his all time high and call a record?
Shrugger wrote:
kibitzer wrote:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-reaches-highest-approval-rating-presidency-latest-poll-n1027171?fbclid=IwAR2uZH2FYQANh21lp67SlvDfhPs-Wem7StGLpFt-Uq-WpFRIx1rVOBWs3F4This, of course, is one poll. I recommend the article (it's a quick read): The poll makes a useful distinction between all Americans and registered voters.
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No surprise, Trump fares better with the registered voters--and IMO if the Dems can't figure out how to motivate people to register, they're likely looking at "four more years!" Too bad they seem to have squandered some of the enthusiasm/paranoia that fueled their resounding turnout in 2018 . . .
When after 2 and a half years your highest approval rating is only 44% (with 53% disapproval) that's pretty sad.
Is he going to tweet about his all time high and call a record?
No. He's going to wait until his campaign starts back up. Then his rigged online polls will put him at 60%. That's what he did before.
Nothing better than watching hillary lovers continue to have meltdowns.
Ciro wrote:
Trump and Acosta’s budget.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jul/09/labor-secretary-alexander-acosta-sex-trafficking-budget-cut?CMP=share_btn_fb&fbclid=IwAR098OmrtYP0MsPQ0870K82XpoCQBGCZilLkRz2gBucbj8opk8uLe7l09TEDrain the swamp?
Letting Epstein off the hook involved much more than just Alex Acosta. His superiors had to approve it:
AG Alberto Gonzales had to sign off, plus FBI Director Mueller and Jim Comey agreed to stop the FBI investigation and drop it. Schumer forgot to mention that.
Schumer also forgot to mention that he voted to confirm Acosta even though he knew about the Epstein plea deal. Oops.
And Comey's daughter is one of the prosecutors on this case. Drain the swamp.
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Ciro wrote:
Trump and Acosta’s budget.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jul/09/labor-secretary-alexander-acosta-sex-trafficking-budget-cut?CMP=share_btn_fb&fbclid=IwAR098OmrtYP0MsPQ0870K82XpoCQBGCZilLkRz2gBucbj8opk8uLe7l09TEDrain the swamp?
Letting Epstein off the hook involved much more than just Alex Acosta. His superiors had to approve it:
AG Alberto Gonzales had to sign off, plus FBI Director Mueller and Jim Comey agreed to stop the FBI investigation and drop it. Schumer forgot to mention that.
Schumer also forgot to mention that he voted to confirm Acosta even though he knew about the Epstein plea deal. Oops.
And Comey's daughter is one of the prosecutors on this case. Drain the swamp.
The piece I posted is about this administrations budget. Did you even read it?
Your obsession with Schumer is another issue completely.
Conundrum wrote:
On more huge difference as why why there can be no comparison to Obama's election. If you recall our country was in a very scary financial crash. A republican president destroyed our economy and financial institutions the auto industry were basically out of business. The stock market crashed.
People wanted any change, and Obama was that change.
Our economy is nothing like it was when Obama ran. People will not want drastic change. Alan, look at the polls, the social democrats are not embraced and have a high risk platform.
We don't want to mess up this election.
I was no fan of Bush 2 but you can't blame the sub-prime bubble on him. Pension funds individually lost 100s of millions of dollars investing in mortgage backed securities (MBS) which which were secured by portfolios of loans to people with bad credit. It worked great until people could no longer flip the houses for a big profit and had to make monthly payments on their loans, which of course they couldn't do. Wall Street was all in and even if Bush saw the train wreck coming he couldn't have done anything to prevent it.
RIP: D3 All-American Frank Csorba - who ran 13:56 in March - dead
RENATO can you talk about the preparation of Emile Cairess 2:06
Running for Bowerman Track Club used to be cool now its embarrassing
Great interview with Steve Cram - says Jakob has no chance of WRs this year
Hats off to my dad. He just ran a 1:42 Half Marathon and turns 75 in 2 months!