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4 years ago 07/02/2019 3:54pm EDT

re: Fat hurts

Fat hurts wrote:
agip wrote:
that's just lame
would a leftist make college free? No
would a leftist put a wealth tax on the rich? No
would a leftist make crossing the border legal? No
would a leftist eliminate private health insurance? No
would a leftist put the green new deal in place? No.
Why would you want a leftist again?
I mean come on. Dig a little deeper. The American political system doesn't respond well to massive shocks like trump or a warren/sanders. It won't do the things they are promising.
The country works best when Ds and Rs aren't that far apart and can get bills passed. Not when one side puts up a super aggressive agenda that pushes the other into a corner and obstructs everything.
Not true.
Your thesis is that we can't really get anything done. That is not acceptable. Climate change alone will destroy this nation if we don't address it.
And why did you change the examples I cited?
Would a liberal solve climate change? Yes.
Would a liberal solve the border crisis? Yes.
Would a liberal solve the student debt crisis? Yes.
Would a liberal push for a living wage? Yes.
Would a liberal address money in politics? Yes.
The answer to all of those is "Yes". We have done big things before and we can do them again. It's not easy, but it can be done.
And when the pendulum swings hard in one direction, it swings back hard in the other direction. Ironically, Tiny has created the catalyst for the progressive movement to really take off.
I don't understand why you would want to go back to politics as usual.

short answer: a radical left agenda will not get through congress and then all those crises will just be owned by the dems rather than the Rs.

if you want things done, unless you have the house, 60 votes in the senate and the WH, you need to find common ground. the common ground moderates can find.

I'm not a big believer in big government power running amok in the nation. The genius of the US is that power is devolved away from DC to the states and localities. That has not always been good (HELLO FORMER CONFEDERATE STATES, YA BUNCHA UNAMERICAN LOSERS), but it has kept the nation strong.

I'm not a big believer in one admin doing something giant, then the next admin running in the opposite direction. That is not good for the nation.

I mean I can answer longer but I need to go run before some t storms.

4 years ago 07/02/2019 3:56pm EDT

re: XY

XY wrote:
agip is a corporate stooge wrote:
Because Agip is doing fine and screw everybody else. He might have to pay higher taxes.
My daughter who just finished her freshman year in college is working an unskilled type job. She’s making $11.00/hr. I made about $15.00/hr for pretty much the same job 30 years ago.

when I graduated college I made $7 an hour.

my son is making $15 for low skilled labor already, and he's still in college

I guess that means the nation is better now, by your n=1 logic.

4 years ago 07/02/2019 3:59pm EDT

re: agip

agip wrote:
XY wrote:
My daughter who just finished her freshman year in college is working an unskilled type job. She’s making $11.00/hr. I made about $15.00/hr for pretty much the same job 30 years ago.
when I graduated college I made $7 an hour.
my son is making $15 for low skilled labor already, and he's still in college
I guess that means the nation is better now, by your n=1 logic.

in today's money I made $13

he's making $15 now without a college degree, so my point stands, even after inflation.

the bigger point is that living standards in this country are higher than they were a generation or two ago - don't let anecdote change your view, and don't believe those ridiculous 'wages have gone nowhere for 40 years' stories.

4 years ago 07/02/2019 4:01pm EDT

re: Noter of careful word choices

Noter of careful word choices wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Yes...unless he cheats again or there is some other illegal activity that makes it so or space aliens make it so.
I note that you follow "illegal activity" and "space aliens" with a reference to "making it so." But you avoid the same "make it so" to pair up with "cheats again." - a careful choice of words to give you plenty or wiggle room.
So, it doesn't matter if the illegal activity has any real impact on the election. And since there is at least some trivial, inconsequential illegal activity in every election your "guarantee" is guaranteed to be proven correct.
#reallygoingoutonalimbtherearen'tyou?

Cheating is cheating. If cheating happens again in 2020 (as it did in 2016), and Trump wins, then the cheating negates my claim. When an athlete is stripped of his Olympic medal because he tested positive for a PED, they don't have to PROVE that his cheating is what made him win that medal. The simple fact of the cheating stripped him of his victory.

I never choose my words to make it so that I will be right no matter what. I reject that there is always trivial inconsequential illegal activity attached to all Presidential elections.

I am fair 100% of the time. Trump cheated in 2016 with FELONIES aimed directly at winning the election. These weren't inconsequential...they were specific and again, FELONIES that Michael Cohen is spending time in jail for. If there is something inconsequential but also illegal that just happened to occur due to oversight or accounting error or some other such thing, I will be fair and not count that. I am fair because I have 100% integrity 100% of the time.

With the proper exceptions noted, Trump has ZERO chance to win again in 2020.

4 years ago 07/02/2019 4:11pm EDT

re: agip

agip wrote:
short answer: a radical left agenda will not get through congress and then all those crises will just be owned by the dems rather than the Rs.
if you want things done, unless you have the house, 60 votes in the senate and the WH, you need to find common ground. the common ground moderates can find.
I'm not a big believer in big government power running amok in the nation. The genius of the US is that power is devolved away from DC to the states and localities. That has not always been good (HELLO FORMER CONFEDERATE STATES, YA BUNCHA UNAMERICAN LOSERS), but it has kept the nation strong.
I'm not a big believer in one admin doing something giant, then the next admin running in the opposite direction. That is not good for the nation.
I mean I can answer longer but I need to go run before some t storms.

I get your point, but the current congress is divided and it still gets nothing done.

The only way to actually solve the big problems is to get control of both houses, the presidency, and probably get rid of the filibuster.

I've always been for keeping the filibuster, but I'm starting to think that the current circumstances may warrant its demise.

4 years ago 07/02/2019 4:15pm EDT

re: Fat hurts

Time for a classic:

Mueller is coming.

The clown is done.

4 years ago 07/02/2019 4:25pm EDT

re: Flagpole

Trump loses AGAIN!

He loses his "epic" battle to rig the 2020 census. Realizing he lost he immediately agreed that the citizenship question would not be part of the 2020 census. Claims he didn't lose.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Dan_F_Jacobson/status/1146153111393886208

4 years ago 07/02/2019 4:26pm EDT

re: Sally Vix

Sally Vix wrote:
ZX wrote:
The most extreme being Trump.
. . .Eliminating 180 Americans from private insurance to implement Medicare for all is EXTREME. The Democratic party is EXTREME and Nuts!

Ummm . . . if everyone has Medicare then there really isn't a need for private insurance. That's kind of the point.

So, in your world, a solution to the medical coverage problem is to make sure that it doesn't get solved thereby making private insurance necessary? Seriously?

4 years ago 07/02/2019 4:28pm EDT

re: Medic Care

Medic Care wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
. . .Eliminating 180 Americans from private insurance to implement Medicare for all is EXTREME. The Democratic party is EXTREME and Nuts!
Ummm . . . if everyone has Medicare then there really isn't a need for private insurance. That's kind of the point.
So, in your world, a solution to the medical coverage problem is to make sure that it doesn't get solved thereby making private insurance necessary? Seriously?

Sally is so worked up over a mere 180 Americans who have private insurance.

4 years ago 07/02/2019 4:32pm EDT

re: Trump loses AGAIN!

Trump loses AGAIN! wrote:
Trump loses AGAIN!
He loses his "epic" battle to rig the 2020 census. Realizing he lost he immediately agreed that the citizenship question would not be part of the 2020 census. Claims he didn't lose.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Dan_F_Jacobson/status/1146153111393886208

the good news on trump is that while he repeatedly threatens to break the constitution, in the end he has followed the courts' rulings. Sure, Rs are shamed forever for looking the other way, but so far our fat would be dictator hasn't disobeyed court orders.

The tax return thing will be interesting tho. I mean this is clearcut - treasury has to hand the returns over. but that would be so embarassing to trump. will that be the breaking point and he goes revolutionary?

4 years ago 07/02/2019 4:34pm EDT

re: Flagpole

Flagpole wrote:
Noter of careful word choices wrote:
I note that you follow "illegal activity" and "space aliens" with a reference to "making it so." But you avoid the same "make it so" to pair up with "cheats again." - a careful choice of words to give you plenty or wiggle room.
So, it doesn't matter if the illegal activity has any real impact on the election. And since there is at least some trivial, inconsequential illegal activity in every election your "guarantee" is guaranteed to be proven correct.
#reallygoingoutonalimbtherearen'tyou?
Cheating is cheating. If cheating happens again in 2020 (as it did in 2016), and Trump wins, then the cheating negates my claim. When an athlete is stripped of his Olympic medal because he tested positive for a PED, they don't have to PROVE that his cheating is what made him win that medal. The simple fact of the cheating stripped him of his victory.
I never choose my words to make it so that I will be right no matter what. I reject that there is always trivial inconsequential illegal activity attached to all Presidential elections.
I am fair 100% of the time. Trump cheated in 2016 with FELONIES aimed directly at winning the election. These weren't inconsequential...they were specific and again, FELONIES that Michael Cohen is spending time in jail for. If there is something inconsequential but also illegal that just happened to occur due to oversight or accounting error or some other such thing, I will be fair and not count that. I am fair because I have 100% integrity 100% of the time.
With the proper exceptions noted, Trump has ZERO chance to win again in 2020.

In other words, you chose your words carefully such that your "guarantee" is 100% guaranteed to come true. I understand.

To realize just how worthless your "guarantee" is I will make the following guarantee, which is equally certain to come true:

Trump will lose unless the Democrats cheat. 100% guaranteed.

/////////////

Oh hell, I can do one better.

Trump will win unless the Democrats cheat. 100% guaranteed.

AND

Trump will lose unless the Republicans cheat. 100% guaranteed.

4 years ago 07/02/2019 5:12pm EDT

re: Trump loses AGAIN!

Trump loses AGAIN! wrote:
Trump loses AGAIN!
He loses his "epic" battle to rig the 2020 census. Realizing he lost he immediately agreed that the citizenship question would not be part of the 2020 census. Claims he didn't lose.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Dan_F_Jacobson/status/1146153111393886208

When Tiny loses, America wins.

4 years ago 07/02/2019 5:14pm EDT

re: agip

agip wrote:
the good news on trump is that while he repeatedly threatens to break the constitution, in the end he has followed the courts' rulings. Sure, Rs are shamed forever for looking the other way, but so far our fat would be dictator hasn't disobeyed court orders.
The tax return thing will be interesting tho. I mean this is clearcut - treasury has to hand the returns over. but that would be so embarassing to trump. will that be the breaking point and he goes revolutionary?

He might try. But I don't think he will be able to rally the troops of deplorables over his tax returns.

He will need to drum up some other controversy.

4 years ago 07/02/2019 5:28pm EDT

re: Medic Care

Medic Care wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
. . .Eliminating 180 Americans from private insurance to implement Medicare for all is EXTREME. The Democratic party is EXTREME and Nuts!
Ummm . . . if everyone has Medicare then there really isn't a need for private insurance. That's kind of the point.
So, in your world, a solution to the medical coverage problem is to make sure that it doesn't get solved thereby making private insurance necessary? Seriously?

In Sally's world, anything that would make life better for the average American is extreme.

4 years ago 07/02/2019 5:57pm EDT

re: Trollminator

Trollminator wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
The chaos of 2016-2020 is in no way driven by political ideology.
If we elect a true liberal we will still get a relative return to normalcy.
I can see this going either way.
First, there is no way trump is going to get more than 46% of the general vote. Based on his drastic shift to the right since becoming president and the 2018 results he’s going to net lose votes and possibly score as low as 44% of the vote.
Second, trump hatred is massive and irreversible amongst Dems. The quality of the Dem nominee is of secondary importance. Basically Trump has campaigned for Dems while to trying to secure his base vote.
Either trump is going to win on low general turnout (in line with re election history) or he’s going to lose if turnout is high. High turnout will be dependent on the level of hatred for him still being strong come election or the Dem nominee firing up the base. There is a good chance both of those conditions will be in place.
Trumpers assuming he’s just going to crush anyone in the current line up because they are weak are not thinking straight. Recall that in 2016 a major driver behind his win was the fact that people were sick of politicians and disliked Hillary. Not only has trump proven to be a very scummy lowlife mobster politician, he is hated. Come time to vote, I personally don’t give a flying fk who in on the ticket, there is no one close to being as awful as Trump and that is more than enough to get my a$$ out to vote.
I’m convinced the numbers are stacked against him but still trying to come to terms with how much of an advantage he has as POTUS and with Twitter. My gut says he can easily blow this and get wiped out, but it is too early to tell.

There will be a green party and probably an independent candidate to appear on the ballot to siphon votes from the Dem nominee on Election Day. This will help Trump win again.

Making illegal aliens first is a guaranteed loss for you.

KAG2020

4 years ago 07/02/2019 6:01pm EDT

re: Rigged for Hillary

Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Making illegal aliens first is a guaranteed loss for you.

Trump married an illegal alien--Melania.

4 years ago 07/02/2019 6:17pm EDT

re: Illegal Melania

Illegal Melania wrote:
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Making illegal aliens first is a guaranteed loss for you.
Trump married an illegal alien--Melania.

Wrong. She had an EB-1 visa when she married Trump in 2005. Try again.

4 years ago 07/02/2019 6:21pm EDT

re: Rigged for Hillary

Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
I can see this going either way.
First, there is no way trump is going to get more than 46% of the general vote. Based on his drastic shift to the right since becoming president and the 2018 results he’s going to net lose votes and possibly score as low as 44% of the vote.
Second, trump hatred is massive and irreversible amongst Dems. The quality of the Dem nominee is of secondary importance. Basically Trump has campaigned for Dems while to trying to secure his base vote.
Either trump is going to win on low general turnout (in line with re election history) or he’s going to lose if turnout is high. High turnout will be dependent on the level of hatred for him still being strong come election or the Dem nominee firing up the base. There is a good chance both of those conditions will be in place.
Trumpers assuming he’s just going to crush anyone in the current line up because they are weak are not thinking straight. Recall that in 2016 a major driver behind his win was the fact that people were sick of politicians and disliked Hillary. Not only has trump proven to be a very scummy lowlife mobster politician, he is hated. Come time to vote, I personally don’t give a flying fk who in on the ticket, there is no one close to being as awful as Trump and that is more than enough to get my a$$ out to vote.
I’m convinced the numbers are stacked against him but still trying to come to terms with how much of an advantage he has as POTUS and with Twitter. My gut says he can easily blow this and get wiped out, but it is too early to tell.
There will be a green party and probably an independent candidate to appear on the ballot to siphon votes from the Dem nominee on Election Day. This will help Trump win again.
Making illegal aliens first is a guaranteed loss for you.
KAG2020

rigged does bring up a good point - having an extreme lefty like warren, sanders, harris on the ticket might be the best solution to a problem - how to keep a green party off the ballot.

agreed that the dem candidates are bizarrely insisting on legalizing all kinds of immigration - it seems to be an instinctive anti-trump reaction and oh boy will the Rs hit them hard with it.

4 years ago 07/02/2019 6:24pm EDT

re: agip

agip wrote:
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
There will be a green party and probably an independent candidate to appear on the ballot to siphon votes from the Dem nominee on Election Day. This will help Trump win again.
Making illegal aliens first is a guaranteed loss for you.
KAG2020
rigged does bring up a good point - having an extreme lefty like warren, sanders, harris on the ticket might be the best solution to a problem - how to keep a green party off the ballot.
agreed that the dem candidates are bizarrely insisting on legalizing all kinds of immigration - it seems to be an instinctive anti-trump reaction and oh boy will the Rs hit them hard with it.

What did I miss?

What kind of illegal immigration is proposed by dem candidates to become legal?

4 years ago 07/02/2019 6:25pm EDT

re: Rigged for Hillary

Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Illegal Melania wrote:
Trump married an illegal alien--Melania.
Wrong. She had an EB-1 visa when she married Trump in 2005. Try again.

WRONG, clownboy. She had a visitor's visa--cannot work. She worked anyway. And she overstayed the Visa. Trump grabbed her by the puccy in 1998, and then he bought her a new visa in 2001.

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