Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

Often wrong but never in doubt wrote:

agip wrote:

If I were aware of any data that supported your conclusion, I'd be sympathetic.

The data are readily available for anybody who actually wants to look.

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

That's our agip, often wrong but never in doubt.

I do like your correct use of 'data' as a plural. Kudos.

But your lack of showing me some of that sweet, sweet data is not so good.

But really...doesn't my asking for your data show that I have doubt about my position, and am trying to get more information, so I can either strengthen or discard my views?

And hence...your claiming I am never in doubt...is...false?

agip wrote:

Often wrong but never in doubt wrote:

The data are readily available for anybody who actually wants to look.

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

That's our agip, often wrong but never in doubt.

I do like your correct use of 'data' as a plural. Kudos.

But your lack of showing me some of that sweet, sweet data is not so good.

But really...doesn't my asking for your data show that I have doubt about my position, and am trying to get more information, so I can either strengthen or discard my views?

And hence...your claiming I am never in doubt...is...false?

I do not see anywhere when you asked to see data. I read it as a dismissal of that position.

Often wrong but never in doubt wrote:

agip wrote:

I do like your correct use of 'data' as a plural. Kudos.

But your lack of showing me some of that sweet, sweet data is not so good.

But really...doesn't my asking for your data show that I have doubt about my position, and am trying to get more information, so I can either strengthen or discard my views?

And hence...your claiming I am never in doubt...is...false?

I do not see anywhere when you asked to see data. I read it as a dismissal of that position.

That's on you. Not on him.

Democrats are disgusting pieces of trash.

Trollminator wrote:

L L wrote:

Mueller testifying in open session July 17.

Should have been April 17.

The effect three months too late will be much weaker than it would have been.

Trump had Barr speak on his version right away and that is the version that will stick with anyone remotely supporting Trump.

Right now it feels like this is just Dems going through the motions... the Mueller stuff has decayed significantly. Who is going to bother tuning into another circus session during the middle of July? It's too late

My lil brother in Ohio cannot wait for this.

Cue his "Mueller is coming" mantra on heavy rotation soon. Haha!

The anti-biden Dems need an answer to this poll result. The poll shows, AGAIN, that the Dem party is not a leftist party. It is a center left party. When you add up all the votes.

Wanting a hard left person like Sanders or Warren gets the loud young ones all excited, but it will likely depress turnout among the heart of the party: moderate people who don't want the crazy anymore in politics.

Add this to all the moderate election wins (yeah ok except HRC) and the picture should be clear: At this point, sanders or warren would be a huge mistake. It would get Rs excited, it would push Indies to the right, and the guts of the D party would be worried.

https://twitter.com/jonfavs/status/1143617110850981888

agip wrote:

The anti-biden Dems need an answer to this poll result. The poll shows, AGAIN, that the Dem party is not a leftist party. It is a center left party. When you add up all the votes.

Wanting a hard left person like Sanders or Warren gets the loud young ones all excited, but it will likely depress turnout among the heart of the party: moderate people who don't want the crazy anymore in politics.

Add this to all the moderate election wins (yeah ok except HRC) and the picture should be clear: At this point, sanders or warren would be a huge mistake. It would get Rs excited, it would push Indies to the right, and the guts of the D party would be worried.

https://twitter.com/jonfavs/status/1143617110850981888

Warren is not hard left. "Capitalism with guard rails" is a pretty ordinary (even boring) center-left position. Warren is just better at articulating that position than any candidate we have ever seen.

“Hard left,” keeps it short! “Articulating?” Trumpers think this is what museum directors do.

Trollminator wrote:

L L wrote:

Mueller testifying in open session July 17.

Should have been April 17.

The effect three months too late will be much weaker than it would have been.

Trump had Barr speak on his version right away and that is the version that will stick with anyone remotely supporting Trump.

Right now it feels like this is just Dems going through the motions... the Mueller stuff has decayed significantly. Who is going to bother tuning into another circus session during the middle of July? It's too late

But according to Flagpole Mueller is coming and the clown (Trump) is done. Mueller's testifying before Congress will bring Trump down because his report obviously did not.

I am not anti Biden. I am anti Trump. Nominating Biden will be Trump's best avenue to reelection. You can substitute moderate with OLD. Old/moderate voters turnout will not fluctuate much. Liberal and younger voting will. You cannot win without a great turnout among those voters.

agip wrote:

The anti-biden Dems need an answer to this poll result. The poll shows, AGAIN, that the Dem party is not a leftist party. It is a center left party. When you add up all the votes.

Wanting a hard left person like Sanders or Warren gets the loud young ones all excited, but it will likely depress turnout among the heart of the party: moderate people who don't want the crazy anymore in politics.

nah - aggressive wealth distribution and massive government increase in regulation is pretty hard left.

I mean in the US context. we're not talking communism here.

In other way, Warren is essentially the very most lefty senator.

I tell that to my friend Manafort every day. Chin up, Paul, trump is fine, nothing to worry about. Prison ain’t so bad!

facts matter wrote:

I am not anti Biden. I am anti Trump. Nominating Biden will be Trump's best avenue to reelection.

You can substitute moderate with OLD. Old/moderate voters turnout will not fluctuate much. Liberal and younger voting will. You cannot win without a great turnout among those voters.

agip wrote:

The anti-biden Dems need an answer to this poll result. The poll shows, AGAIN, that the Dem party is not a leftist party. It is a center left party. When you add up all the votes.

Wanting a hard left person like Sanders or Warren gets the loud young ones all excited, but it will likely depress turnout among the heart of the party: moderate people who don't want the crazy anymore in politics.

clearly untrue, but ok whatever you want to type.

you know that 70,000 votes decided this election, right? dems absolutely can and have won with weak youth turnouts.

but sure, we need to give them something to vote for. Harris as VP would be great. Everyone wins.

agip wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

Warren is not hard left. "Capitalism with guard rails" is a pretty ordinary (even boring) center-left position. Warren is just better at articulating that position than any candidate we have ever seen.

nah - aggressive wealth distribution and massive government increase in regulation is pretty hard left.

I mean in the US context. we're not talking communism here.

In other way, Warren is essentially the very most lefty senator.

http://www.progressivepunch.org/scores.htm?house=senate

So Fat Hurts claims Warren is not hard left even though her progressive score is the second highest? Fat Hurts's credibility just took a major hit. Ouch!

Sally Vix wrote:

agip wrote:

nah - aggressive wealth distribution and massive government increase in regulation is pretty hard left.

I mean in the US context. we're not talking communism here.

In other way, Warren is essentially the very most lefty senator.

http://www.progressivepunch.org/scores.htm?house=senate

So Fat Hurts claims Warren is not hard left even though her progressive score is the second highest? Fat Hurts's credibility just took a major hit. Ouch!

'hard left' is a vague term.

in euro terms, or in south American terms, Warren is a center left person.

in American terms, she is a hard left person. It's all relative.

I mean in euro terms, the R party is probably more radical than even their neo-Nazi parties. But over here Republicans are a few notches back to the center.

agip wrote:

Sally Vix wrote:

So Fat Hurts claims Warren is not hard left even though her progressive score is the second highest? Fat Hurts's credibility just took a major hit. Ouch!

'hard left' is a vague term.

in euro terms, or in south American terms, Warren is a center left person.

in American terms, she is a hard left person. It's all relative.

I mean in euro terms, the R party is probably more radical than even their neo-Nazi parties. But over here Republicans are a few notches back to the center.

I agree with everything you say, but we are not comparing Warren relative to Euro terms or South American. We are comparing to how she stacks up here, in the US. And she is anything but a centrist.

Sally Vix wrote:

agip wrote:

'hard left' is a vague term.

in euro terms, or in south American terms, Warren is a center left person.

in American terms, she is a hard left person. It's all relative.

I mean in euro terms, the R party is probably more radical than even their neo-Nazi parties. But over here Republicans are a few notches back to the center.

I agree with everything you say, but we are not comparing Warren relative to Euro terms or South American. We are comparing to how she stacks up here, in the US. And she is anything but a centrist.

ok good

but I suspect Fats was speaking in a global context, not a narrow US context

agip wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

Warren is not hard left. "Capitalism with guard rails" is a pretty ordinary (even boring) center-left position. Warren is just better at articulating that position than any candidate we have ever seen.

nah - aggressive wealth distribution and massive government increase in regulation is pretty hard left.

I mean in the US context. we're not talking communism here.

In other way, Warren is essentially the very most lefty senator.

http://www.progressivepunch.org/scores.htm?house=senate

I'm not putting much stock in "Progressive Punch", whatever that is.

They have Warren as more progressive than Sanders. Those two aren't even in the same time zone politically.

As for Warren's "aggressive wealth distribution", her proposals like taxing the super-rich are widely supported in polling. 61% of all Americans support Warren's proposal. You don't get that kind of number from a policy on the hard left.