Trump is holding the nation hostage.
He is now basically saying that he will shut down the federal government unless the Dems stop investigating him.
Welcome to hell, America.
Trump is holding the nation hostage.
He is now basically saying that he will shut down the federal government unless the Dems stop investigating him.
Welcome to hell, America.
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
The revolt against globalizationism (Trump, Brexit, Yellow Vest) is in part the loss of well paying jobs in developed countries. Some of your explanations are simplistic and one reason you and others continue to misunderstand the strength of disaffection.
I take your point, but how exactly have Trumps career long actions challenged that?
Trump through his actions has been as globalist as they come. He’s contributed to it far more than most. Judge him by his actions not his words.
Flagpole, please address this guarantee of yours: "Here is Flagpole's assertion: "Conspiracy with Russia will be proven which will make me right about the election."
If you can not admit you were wrong, you have no credibility at all. Not that you had any beforehand.
Ciro wrote:
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
Huh? While both parties are challenging Chinese economic practices? I doubt you really understand the issues caused by globalism and why there is a revolt against it in the developed world.
This would not be my area of expertise.
Genuine question, when Trump has his products made overseas isn’t that globalism?
Trump is no different than other politicians, he see the dissatisfaction, and panders to it. Not really different than Warren and Sanders talking about erasing student loan debt.
Ciro wrote:
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
The revolt against globalizationism (Trump, Brexit, Yellow Vest) is in part the loss of well paying jobs in developed countries. Some of your explanations are simplistic and one reason you and others continue to misunderstand the strength of disaffection.
I take your point, but how exactly have Trumps career long actions challenged that?
Trump through his actions has been as globalist as they come. He’s contributed to it far more than most. Judge him by his actions not his words.
That's not going to work Ciro...trumpers just think..well yeah who better to stop globalism than someone who knows about globalism?
Who better to stop tax fraud than a tax cheat?
Who better to stop corruption than someone who knows all about corruption first hand?
Who better to drain the swamp than the swampiest of swamp creatures?
They figure trump is dirty sure, but now he is working for us, so he will get us the same deals he got for himself.
Also, Trump is inching ever closer to impeachment by the House which MANY Trumpers here said would never happen. It is also happening in a way that I predicted it might...continued law-breaking behavior by Trump AFTER the Mueller Report was delivered.
The Mueller Report had 10 CLEAR cases where Trump obstructed justice and then one more came to light that had been redacted for a total of 11, and even at that point, many Democrats weren't for moving forward with impeachment, BUT he has CONTINUED to obstruct justice, and House Democrats simply will HAVE to move forward with impeachment...as I have said they will, and and I have said they will HAVE to.
Not sure how you Republicans/Trumpers can stand with him on this. Do you WANT a King? A dictator? If the House allows him to thumb his nose at their Constitutionally-given oversight OBLIGATION and RIGHT, then we are setting a precedent for ANY future President to be able to do that. No thanks. He's a criminal, and he will not stop being one until he is stripped of his power. He probably will not stop being a criminal until he is behind bars and is prohibited in that way from being one.
I continue to wish great health and a long life for our criminal Orange President.
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
Ciro wrote:
This would not be my area of expertise.
Genuine question, when Trump has his products made overseas isn’t that globalism?
Trump is no different than other politicians, he see the dissatisfaction, and panders to it. Not really different than Warren and Sanders talking about erasing student loan debt.
yeah, that too. 'they're all the same' is the other Trumper defense - saying that Trump is just a politician and they are all slimeballs/corrupt/liars/tax cheats so get off your high horse, Dems.
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
The revolt against globalism (Trump, Brexit, Yellow Vest) is in part the loss of well paying jobs in developed countries. Some of your explanations are simplistic and one reason you and others continue to misunderstand the strength of disaffection.
Well first, my bad, sorry I didn't write a 40 page LRC tome on the pros and cons of globalism.
Second, "Trump" and "Brexit" angst are products of the changing world, not globalism. If anything, it's anti-progressive which you could potentially argue in some capacity has gone too far in blanket acceptance of immigrants without coherent integration and assimilation plans. Those jobs in Britain weren't taken away by the EU or the UN. Like the coal mining jobs in the US, they're never coming back.
And what I love the most about these herp-derpers who are so pro-Trump and pro-Brexit is that they bought in HARD on neoliberalism and worshiped at the alter of the almighty dollar until a bigger fish came along and people willing to work for 10 cents an hour picked up a shovel and beat them at their own game and now are turning to the once dreaded government to help bail them out of their 1950s practices.
That’s right, and who better to enforce white supremacy than a racist like trump?
Who better to destroy the Constitution than someone who’s too stupid to understand it?
Who better to lie to dems than a pathological liar?
jesseriley wrote:
That’s right, and who better to enforce white supremacy than a racist like trump?
Who better to destroy the Constitution than someone who’s too stupid to understand it?
Who better to lie to dems than a pathological liar?
Pretty sad - this is like a circle jerk for you Libs here. Very, very sad.
Racket wrote:
Ciro wrote:
Absolutely, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a more subservient group.
Anti-globalists will say that the local government should step in and force Trump to hire locally.
Yeah, but there's breaking the law. Trump broke the law hiring those illegals. Globalists aren't for breaking the law. Globalists want equal opportunity for all. Anti-globalists want to just protect what is theirs and not allow others outside their borders to share the prosperity.
Racket wrote:
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
The revolt against globalism (Trump, Brexit, Yellow Vest) is in part the loss of well paying jobs in developed countries. Some of your explanations are simplistic and one reason you and others continue to misunderstand the strength of disaffection.
Well first, my bad, sorry I didn't write a 40 page LRC tome on the pros and cons of globalism.
Second, "Trump" and "Brexit" angst are products of the changing world, not globalism. If anything, it's anti-progressive which you could potentially argue in some capacity has gone too far in blanket acceptance of immigrants without coherent integration and assimilation plans. Those jobs in Britain weren't taken away by the EU or the UN. Like the coal mining jobs in the US, they're never coming back.
And what I love the most about these herp-derpers who are so pro-Trump and pro-Brexit is that they bought in HARD on neoliberalism and worshiped at the alter of the almighty dollar until a bigger fish came along and people willing to work for 10 cents an hour picked up a shovel and beat them at their own game and now are turning to the once dreaded government to help bail them out of their 1950s practices.
Yellow Vest is a different bear though
Ciro wrote:
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
The revolt against globalizationism (Trump, Brexit, Yellow Vest) is in part the loss of well paying jobs in developed countries. Some of your explanations are simplistic and one reason you and others continue to misunderstand the strength of disaffection.
I take your point, but how exactly have Trumps career long actions challenged that?
Trump through his actions has been as globalist as they come. He’s contributed to it far more than most. Judge him by his actions not his words.
CORRECT! Even when so doing, he ONLY behaved that way because it suited him financially.
agip wrote:
Trump is holding the nation hostage.
He is now basically saying that he will shut down the federal government unless the Dems stop investigating him.
Welcome to hell, America.
He's daring the Dems to impeach because he knows they don't want to. It'll drive the news cycle all the way to 2020, the Senate will never bring a vote to the floor, and Trump can talk about how mean the Dems are and how much they're out to get him and obstructionists.
The biggest shock to me is that he seems to want to win again in 2020? Seems odd when he didn't want it in the forst place and clearly hates it now. I guess he just loves the infinite media attention
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
The revolt against globalism (Trump, Brexit, Yellow Vest) is in part the loss of well paying jobs in developed countries. Some of your explanations are simplistic and one reason you and others continue to misunderstand the strength of disaffection.
If you think you can give a better explanation, it might be helpful to do so rather than snipe from the sidelines.
I think we all get why there is a revolt against consequences of the global economy. What seems to be missing is a consequential plan to deal with the reality of a global economy and its impact on US blue collar labor.
Flagpole wrote:
Racket wrote:
Anti-globalists will say that the local government should step in and force Trump to hire locally.
Yeah, but there's breaking the law. Trump broke the law hiring those illegals. Globalists aren't for breaking the law. Globalists want equal opportunity for all. Anti-globalists want to just protect what is theirs and not allow others outside their borders to share the prosperity.
That's not necessarily true. First, "globalists" (in this sense, to mean proponents of global neoliberalism) would say it shouldn't be illegal to hire illegal immigrants because they're people who want to work and they'll do it for less. That's just good capitalism
You are conflating anti-globalism with nationalism and isolationism, but many anti-globalist movements include pillars of free trade and broad human rights with democratic representation. They just think it should be people making those decisions and not global corporations.
Viva la vida locas wrote:
Flagpole, please address this guarantee of yours: "Here is Flagpole's assertion: "Conspiracy with Russia will be proven which will make me right about the election."
If you can not admit you were wrong, you have no credibility at all. Not that you had any beforehand.
Ok. That sentence is correct...conspiracy with Russia would have made me right about the election. It is not the ONLY thing that would have made me right about the election. Since I said that if there were cheating that that would make me right and then there was FELONY CHEATING by Cohen who is serving prison time for that and by Trump who directed it (he WILL face prison time for that unless he is pardoned or there is more crime that prevents it or space aliens make it not so), then that makes me right.
Also, if TODAY we find out that space aliens made enough people vote for Trump so that he won, that would be ANOTHER way I would have been right about the election.
Bottom line is that I accounted for cheating, and he cheated...IN A FELONIOUS WAY -- TWICE!
So, I was right about the election.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
Ciro wrote:
This would not be my area of expertise.
Genuine question, when Trump has his products made overseas isn’t that globalism?
Trump is no different than other politicians...
Good God man! He is the MOST CRIMINAL President ever in our history. He's a serial liar the level of which our country has never seen in politics or out of politics. WTF are you talking about?
Flagpole, you said the conspiracy with Russian will be proved. The Mueller report said NO. So Please quit saying anything to the contrary.
No, Sally, the sad thing is Russia ??. A place where there are few good jobs, few productive farms, few personal computers (zero choice on internet), few chances to travel or learn, few good meals, and the only good musical instruments have traditionally been ILLEGALLY obtained from the West. Your nation is sad & you’ve got no chance to compete with us. Sorry ?!