“But, but, but tariffs will lead to more jobs!!!”
There’s a reason why many goods are manufactured overseas and sold here.
Do you want more jobs and a higher cost of goods? With unemployment so low? Companies then forced to raise the wages of these low skilled manufacturing jobs and raising the cost of these goods even more to offset that.
Alan
formerly present wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
I do choose my beliefs . . .
Actually you don't. If a concept meets your standards for believability--and those standards may be wholly or partly unconscious--it COMPELS your belief. You couldn't not believe it if you tried.
Flip side: If a concept fails to meet those standards then you CANNOT believe it. You might talk and act as though you do but of course that's not the same thing as genuine belief.
Religious belief (or unbelief for that matter) is not a choice. It's possible that you might be able to choose whether or not to *follow* your religious beliefs but that's different.
Your arguing style works for some other philosophical things, but not this...UNLESS you have the opinion that none of us have free will at all (that is a widely held view).
I submit to you that there are many people who have gone both ways on religion...from choosing NOT to be to choosing TO be and from choosing TO be to choosing NOT to be. This doesn't mean they either followed those beliefs or not but rather whether they HELD those beliefs or not.
I have evolved from a person (about age 13 and under) who believed in God and that Jesus was literally the Son of God to someone who believed there was likely some sort of omnipotence out there that I was willing to assign the name of "God"...to someone who ONLY believed the Bible to be in part a way for government to control people of the time and protect them from things they didn't understand but that the teachings of a REAL MAN named Jesus to finally understanding it is all fairy tale stuff with some good advice and some crazy stuff.
Not that it really matters, but there never was a man that people called "Jesus".
"The Carpenter's Son"
"Joseph's Son"
"Iesous"
"Yeshua"
"Yehoshua"
"Joshua" one of the translated names
"Yahweh"
"mashiakh"
We can go back even further to other texts that refer to a man believed to be "Jesus" as other names. Fine that English speakers have adopted "Jesus", but the name and the image that especially most American Christians have of him is so incorrect. He would not have looked like Jared Leto.
As an aside, while I would consider myself an atheist these days as in I do not believe in God, I do not pretend to KNOW that there is no God.
L L wrote:
Racket wrote:
OK I'll bite with a controversial hot take :
Tariffs are good for the country because they'll help slow down an already overheated economy.
Yeah, that's what Trump wants to do.
Slow down the economy heading into 2020.
Racket is not saying this is the reason Trump is doing it...just that it might be an unintended reality.
snoring wrote:
Racket wrote:
OK well I'm not an expert on late 19th century Russian tomes but I enjoyed Bros K and Notes from the Underground, I don't really know what else you want from me. Most of his works are critiques of of socioeconomic in Russia at the time but a lot of books are reflections of modern times so I don't really think he should be criticized for writing for his audience. I think it's aged well, at least better than War and Peace or a million other "classics." And it seems particularly more appropriate for someone wanting to know about life without Jesus than Nietzsche or some edge lord Death of God nihilism.
Also I just checked, and my Notes from the Underground is Pevear and Volokhonsky and I have an Anna Karenina by them as well. Don't have my Bros K anymore to check though
Save yourself and DO NOT read Pevear and Volokhonsky unless you want to read it the way Dostoevsky wrote it--for the time and place and the specific people of that day. Constance Garnett understood that a more literal translation would not sell well to more American people. So, she "revised" it for her translation.
Before claiming Dostoevsky is one of the greatest authors of all-time you have to base it on what Dostoevsky actual wrote, and not what someone decided you needed to think he wrote.
Tolstoy holds up much better to today when compared to Dostoevsky. But he also wrote much longer novels to get the lengthy "scene" descriptions in. Remember that the people of the 1800s, and early 1900s did not have access to media, and rarely travelled from from home. The lengthy scene descriptions were useful for helping readers visualize something they were entirely unfamiliar with.
Start reading one of your Pevear and Volokhonsky translations, and borrower buy, a translated version by someone else. Better yet, read about the criticisms about how the Pevear and Volokhonsky "hype" machine from translators. You might well decide not read someone else's translation.
FYI: Pevear and Volokhonsky are a husband-wife team. Volokhonsky is Russian and she is not a writer. She is a mathematical linguist. She is not a trained translator. She does a literal translation without interference from her husband. Her husband "polishes" her translations.
Gary Saul Morson (writing for "Commentary") stated that the translations "take glorious works and reduce them to awkward and unsightly muddles."
https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/the-pevearsion-of-russian-literature/
OK well I didn't expect someone so passionate about Russian Lit to be prowling the Trump thread (...or did I?). If I ever get a hankering to read it again then I'll look into the various translations. I didn't know it was such a polarizing topic but a quick Google search shows it indeed is.
And I still think Fat Hurts should read it
snoring wrote:
Racket wrote:
[quote]snoring wrote:
There is no need to learn Russian. Pevear and Volokhonsky have taken care of that. Read both the Garnett and Pevear and Volokhonsky versions for some real insight into Dostoevsky era of writing, and what was interesting to Russians during that era. Hint: similar to Victorian era novels--very dated regarding topics of interest, and overly descriptive (they were describing scenes in great details if they were movie scenes), and lovely technical (books were a major investment for people of that era, so adding lengthy non-fictional descriptions to fictional books was the norm).
OK well I'm not an expert on late 19th century Russian tomes but I enjoyed Bros K and Notes from the Underground, I don't really know what else you want from me. Most of his works are critiques of of socioeconomic in Russia at the time but a lot of books are reflections of modern times so I don't really think he should be criticized for writing for his audience. I think it's aged well, at least better than War and Peace or a million other "classics." And it seems particularly more appropriate for someone wanting to know about life without Jesus than Nietzsche or some edge lord Death of God nihilism.
Also I just checked, and my Notes from the Underground is Pevear and Volokhonsky and I have an Anna Karenina by them as well. Don't have my Bros K anymore to check though
Save yourself and DO NOT read Pevear and Volokhonsky unless you want to read it the way Dostoevsky wrote it--for the time and place and the specific people of that day. Constance Garnett understood that a more literal translation would not sell well to more American people. So, she "revised" it for her translation.
Before claiming Dostoevsky is one of the greatest authors of all-time you have to base it on what Dostoevsky actual wrote, and not what someone decided you needed to think he wrote.
Tolstoy holds up much better to today when compared to Dostoevsky. But he also wrote much longer novels to get the lengthy "scene" descriptions in. Remember that the people of the 1800s, and early 1900s did not have access to media, and rarely travelled from from home. The lengthy scene descriptions were useful for helping readers visualize something they were entirely unfamiliar with.
Start reading one of your Pevear and Volokhonsky translations, and borrower buy, a translated version by someone else. Better yet, read about the criticisms about how the Pevear and Volokhonsky "hype" machine from translators. You might well decide not read someone else's translation.
FYI: Pevear and Volokhonsky are a husband-wife team. Volokhonsky is Russian and she is not a writer. She is a mathematical linguist. She is not a trained translator. She does a literal translation without interference from her husband. Her husband "polishes" her translations.
Gary Saul Morson (writing for "Commentary") stated that the translations "take glorious works and reduce them to awkward and unsightly muddles."
Huh? (just joking!)
Flagpole wrote:
L L wrote:
Yeah, that's what Trump wants to do.
Slow down the economy heading into 2020.
Racket is not saying this is the reason Trump is doing it...just that it might be an unintended reality.
That is correct. Trump has shown he knows nothing of economics and I doubt he has coherent reasons for anything that he does. But as Flagpole suggested, he might get lucky with tariffs slowing down the economy to a better pace that won't cause (even more of) a melt up and then recession in 2020.
But it would only be out of luck
Racket wrote:
snoring wrote:
Save yourself and DO NOT read Pevear and Volokhonsky unless you want to read it the way Dostoevsky wrote it--for the time and place and the specific people of that day. Constance Garnett understood that a more literal translation would not sell well to more American people. So, she "revised" it for her translation.
Before claiming Dostoevsky is one of the greatest authors of all-time you have to base it on what Dostoevsky actual wrote, and not what someone decided you needed to think he wrote.
Tolstoy holds up much better to today when compared to Dostoevsky. But he also wrote much longer novels to get the lengthy "scene" descriptions in. Remember that the people of the 1800s, and early 1900s did not have access to media, and rarely travelled from from home. The lengthy scene descriptions were useful for helping readers visualize something they were entirely unfamiliar with.
Start reading one of your Pevear and Volokhonsky translations, and borrower buy, a translated version by someone else. Better yet, read about the criticisms about how the Pevear and Volokhonsky "hype" machine from translators. You might well decide not read someone else's translation.
FYI: Pevear and Volokhonsky are a husband-wife team. Volokhonsky is Russian and she is not a writer. She is a mathematical linguist. She is not a trained translator. She does a literal translation without interference from her husband. Her husband "polishes" her translations.
Gary Saul Morson (writing for "Commentary") stated that the translations "take glorious works and reduce them to awkward and unsightly muddles."
https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/the-pevearsion-of-russian-literature/OK well I didn't expect someone so passionate about Russian Lit to be prowling the Trump thread (...or did I?). If I ever get a hankering to read it again then I'll look into the various translations. I didn't know it was such a polarizing topic but a quick Google search shows it indeed is.
And I still think Fat Hurts should read it
I would venture to guess that Flagpole is the most well-versed on Russian Lit of anyone here. (Or at least he will make that claim).
Sally Vix wrote:
Racket wrote:
OK well I didn't expect someone so passionate about Russian Lit to be prowling the Trump thread (...or did I?). If I ever get a hankering to read it again then I'll look into the various translations. I didn't know it was such a polarizing topic but a quick Google search shows it indeed is.
And I still think Fat Hurts should read it
I would venture to guess that Flagpole is the most well-versed on Russian Lit of anyone here. (Or at least he will make that claim).
Maybe snoring is one of those paid Russian trolls and he/she was assigned to LetsRun to stir people up, but then saw an opportunity and couldn't resist a discussion on the semantics and translations of late 19th century Russian Literature. If so, I'm honestly not even mad
Sally Vix wrote:
snoring wrote:
OK well I'm not an expert on late 19th century Russian tomes but I enjoyed Bros K and Notes from the Underground, I don't really know what else you want from me. Most of his works are critiques of of socioeconomic in Russia at the time but a lot of books are reflections of modern times so I don't really think he should be criticized for writing for his audience. I think it's aged well, at least better than War and Peace or a million other "classics." And it seems particularly more appropriate for someone wanting to know about life without Jesus than Nietzsche or some edge lord Death of God nihilism.
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lso I just checked, and my Notes from the Underground is Pevear and Volokhonsky and I have an Anna Karenina by them as well. Don't have my Bros K anymore to check though
FYI: Pevear and Volokhonsky are a husband-wife team. Volokhonsky is Russian and she is not a writer. She is a mathematical linguist. She is not a trained translator. She does a literal translation without interference from her husband. Her husband "polishes" her translations.
Gary Saul Morson (writing for "Commentary") stated that the translations "take glorious works and reduce them to awkward and unsightly muddles."
Huh? (just joking!)
Concerning mathematical linguistics, I believe both Euclid and Panini built upon earlier works by Flagpole.
Racket wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
I would venture to guess that Flagpole is the most well-versed on Russian Lit of anyone here. (Or at least he will make that claim).
Maybe snoring is one of those paid Russian trolls and he/she was assigned to LetsRun to stir people up, but then saw an opportunity and couldn't resist a discussion on the semantics and translations of late 19th century Russian Literature. If so, I'm honestly not even mad
We haven't had a discussion of Russian Lit in 2 years. You really think snoring just happened to be perusing this thread today and added her two cents? Are there really paid trolls here who are paid to generate posts?
Flagpole wrote:
After sleeping on it a bit, I have a concession to make.
While I do not believe the term I used yesterday to describe the wife of our Orange President is ALWAYS pejorative (I believe it to just be descriptive, especially in this case), I can see how others would think it always is.
While to me, that term for someone who has earned it is much less offensive than all the things Hillary Clinton has been called here that were NOT earned, I can see how a reasonable person can't get beyond that and just would just believe the word in and of itself is worse. I disagree with that, but I can see and understand the opposite view.
While I still know that the term is appropriate for the wife of our Orange President, since some of you are offended by it, I submit that I will not use it in the future...for it is not my goal to offend...only to be truthful and just...but going out of my way to NOT offend also holds value. I will incorporate more of the latter into my posting here...doesn't mean I will never offend, because sometimes the truth offends, but I will consider it more.
Now, back to real things that matter...
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Did anyone say they were offended?
I think most said you were low class for saying it.
Trumpers are offended by everything. They want to live in a little snowflake world where they are the Master Race, fat chance!
Tryhiness wrote:Did anyone say they were offended?
I think most said you were low class for saying it.
I called him out on this. I’m not offended by what he wrote, per se, but I am disgusted. A properly socialized adult doesn’t use that word in normal conversation.
It has had me wondering... do FP or LRC have any legal exposure for defamation? I don’t know your laws in the US, would be interested to hear from any LRC jailhouse lawyers...
banned Pete wrote:
Tryhiness wrote:Did anyone say they were offended?
I think most said you were low class for saying it.
I called him out on this. I’m not offended by what he wrote, per se, but I am disgusted. A properly socialized adult doesn’t use that word in normal conversation.
It has had me wondering... do FP or LRC have any legal exposure for defamation? I don’t know your laws in the US, would be interested to hear from any LRC jailhouse lawyers...
She is a public figure. Usually one can say anything they want against such a public person no matter how nasty. A person not so public has additional protections. Flagpole called her a gold-digging whore. That is just an opinion. Albeit, a terrible one.
jesseriley wrote:
Trumpers are offended by everything. They want to live in a little snowflake world where they are the Master Race, fat chance!
It seems you are highly offended by Trumpers living in a world where they are the master race. Who is the offended one? YOu seem hysterical.
Also, I LOVED The Brothers K, and there is a lengthy section with the topic of religion being expertly argued by both sides. Reminded me to some degree of Yann Martel’s Life of Pi, and Pi’s position that he could be part of three major religions and hold all there beliefs together with no internal conflict. Of course the main lesson of that book, as I read it, is that you get to decide for yourself what version of reality is true to you.
Interesting side note, to Racket’s point about learning Russian to be able to read the Russian classics in their original form... I’m pretty sure it was Dostoevsky who learned Spanish to read Don Quixote in its original form. Which strikes me as a high compliment from one author of novels considered to the “best ever” by some toward the book most commonly considered the greatest in modern literature.
Sally Vix wrote:
jesseriley wrote:
Trumpers are offended by everything. They want to live in a little snowflake world where they are the Master Race, fat chance!
It seems you are highly offended by Trumpers living in a world where they are the master race. Who is the offended one? You seem hysterical.
This. It is honestly both hilarious yet sad and pathetic to see the same posters day after day for YEARS not being able to get over the fact that Donald Trump is our president.
I would think they'd want to just live their lives at some point and move on.
What are they going to do in 2020? Momentum for Trump continues to build.
True, I’m offended by racists & traitors.
jesseriley wrote:
True, I’m offended by racists & traitors.
The the Dems are the party for you.
Speaking of Russian Literature, bimbo Maria Butina finally has time to read “War and Peace,” ha ha.
Is there a rule against attaching a helium balloon to yourself while running a road race?
Am I living in the twilight zone? The Boston Marathon weather was terrible!
How rare is it to run a sub 5 minute mile AND bench press 225?
Jakob Ingebrigtsen has a 1989 Ferrari 348 GTB and he's just put in paperwork to upgrade it
Move over Mark Coogan, Rojo and John Kellogg share their 3 favorite mile workouts
Mark Coogan says that if you could only do 3 workouts as a 1500m runner you should do these