Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

obvious lee wrote:

Keep America Great 2020 wrote:

It's becoming obvious Trump is going to be reelected in 2020. The dems are looking so silly right now, like petulant brats that didn't get their way.

^Desperation

^Denial

snoring wrote:

P wrote:

Hard to believe that anyone with any intelligence could think that.

You obviously have read the Americanized version of the book (Garnet). Try the Pevear and Volokhonsky translation (word-for-word and syntax-for-syntax) and report back here.

Honestly that's one of the most hipster things I've ever heard aside from straight up learning Russian fluently enough to just read it in it's original form.

Fat hurts :

I'm quite a fan of Kierkegaard

Also Fat hurts :

Everything would change. Life would have no meaning.

One of these things is not like the other.

Keep America Great 2020 wrote:

obvious lee wrote:

^Desperation

^Denial

^Desperation^2

Flagpole wrote:

Ok people, a Trump thread is currently on about the meaning of life and Dostoevsky.

I know.

Usually if the topic is changed, you make it about you.

L L wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

Ok people, a Trump thread is currently on about the meaning of life and Dostoevsky.

I know.

Usually if the topic is changed, you make it about you.

No, but you just did.

I will try again...

Mueller is coming.

The clown is done.

Racket wrote:

snoring wrote:

You obviously have read the Americanized version of the book (Garnet). Try the Pevear and Volokhonsky translation (word-for-word and syntax-for-syntax) and report back here.

Honestly that's one of the most hipster things I've ever heard aside from straight up learning Russian fluently enough to just read it in it's original form.

There is no need to learn Russian. Pevear and Volokhonsky have taken care of that. Read both the Garnet and Pevear and Volokhonsky versions for some real insight into Dostoevsky era of writing, and what was interesting to Russians during that era. Hint: similar to Victorian era novels--very dated regarding topics of interest, and overly descriptive (they were describing scenes in great details if they were movie scenes), and lovely technical (books were a major investment for people of that era, so adding lengthy non-fictional descriptions to fictional books was the norm).

snoring wrote:

There is no need to learn Russian. Pevear and Volokhonsky have taken care of that. Read both the Garnet and Pevear and Volokhonsky versions for some real insight into Dostoevsky era of writing, and what was interesting to Russians during that era. Hint: similar to Victorian era novels--very dated regarding topics of interest, and overly descriptive (they were describing scenes in great details if they were movie scenes), and lovely technical (books were a major investment for people of that era, so adding lengthy non-fictional descriptions to fictional books was the norm).

OK well I'm not an expert on late 19th century Russian tomes but I enjoyed Bros K and Notes from the Underground, I don't really know what else you want from me. Most of his works are critiques of of socioeconomic in Russia at the time but a lot of books are reflections of modern times so I don't really think he should be criticized for writing for his audience. I think it's aged well, at least better than War and Peace or a million other "classics." And it seems particularly more appropriate for someone wanting to know about life without Jesus than Nietzsche or some edge lord Death of God nihilism.

Also I just checked, and my Notes from the Underground is Pevear and Volokhonsky and I have an Anna Karenina by them as well. Don't have my Bros K anymore to check though

Flagpole wrote:

L L wrote:

I know.

Usually if the topic is changed, you make it about you.

No, but you just did.

I will try again...

Mueller is coming.

The clown is done.

OK I'll bite with a controversial hot take :

Tariffs are good for the country because they'll help slow down an already overheated economy.

Fat hurts wrote:

Ana Theist wrote:

I realize people don't get to *choose* their beliefs/nonbeliefs.

I do choose my beliefs . . .

Actually you don't. If a concept meets your standards for believability--and those standards may be wholly or partly unconscious--it COMPELS your belief. You couldn't not believe it if you tried.

Flip side: If a concept fails to meet those standards then you CANNOT believe it. You might talk and act as though you do but of course that's not the same thing as genuine belief.

Religious belief (or unbelief for that matter) is not a choice. It's possible that you might be able to choose whether or not to *follow* your religious beliefs but that's different.

obvious lee wrote:

Keep America Great 2020 wrote:

^Denial

^Desperation^2

Denial ^3

Racket wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

No, but you just did.

I will try again...

Mueller is coming.

The clown is done.

OK I'll bite with a controversial hot take :

Tariffs are good for the country because they'll help slow down an already overheated economy.

Hmm.

Now THAT isn't bad.

I would say though that my PREFERENCE would be that policies are enacted to at least TRY to do what they intend to do and that we not just get lucky that an incompetent President enacts something that helps our nation in exactly the opposite way he thinks it will.

Flagpole wrote:

Racket wrote:

OK I'll bite with a controversial hot take :

Tariffs are good for the country because they'll help slow down an already overheated economy.

Hmm.

Now THAT isn't bad.

I would say though that my PREFERENCE would be that policies are enacted to at least TRY to do what they intend to do and that we not just get lucky that an incompetent President enacts something that helps our nation in exactly the opposite way he thinks it will.

too short sighted. if businesses have reason to believe their supply chains will be F'd with by Trump, they aren't going to build that factory or hire that third shift. They'll go to some other country and build that factory and hire that third shift.

And farmers are going to get plowed hugely here.

Racket wrote:

OK I'll bite with a controversial hot take :

Tariffs are good for the country because they'll help slow down an already overheated economy.

Yeah, that's what Trump wants to do.

Slow down the economy heading into 2020.

After sleeping on it a bit, I have a concession to make.

While I do not believe the term I used yesterday to describe the wife of our Orange President is ALWAYS pejorative (I believe it to just be descriptive, especially in this case), I can see how others would think it always is.

While to me, that term for someone who has earned it is much less offensive than all the things Hillary Clinton has been called here that were NOT earned, I can see how a reasonable person can't get beyond that and just would just believe the word in and of itself is worse. I disagree with that, but I can see and understand the opposite view.

While I still know that the term is appropriate for the wife of our Orange President, since some of you are offended by it, I submit that I will not use it in the future...for it is not my goal to offend...only to be truthful and just...but going out of my way to NOT offend also holds value. I will incorporate more of the latter into my posting here...doesn't mean I will never offend, because sometimes the truth offends, but I will consider it more.

Now, back to real things that matter...

Mueller is coming.

The clown is done.

Fat hurts wrote:

P wrote:

Hard to believe that anyone with any intelligence could think that.

To be honest, it's been like a gazillion years since I read Crime and Punishment. It put me to sleep. Never read The Brothers.

I'm quite a fan of Kierkegaard, who is also regarded as a Christian existentialist. So maybe if I gave The Brothers a chance I would like it.

Glad to hear you have an open mind on this. It is only my opinion but The Brothers is much better than Crime and Punishment IMHO.

Save yourself and DO NOT read Pevear and Volokhonsky unless you want to read it the way Dostoevsky wrote it--for the time and place and the specific people of that day. Constance Garnett understood that a more literal translation would not sell well to more American people. So, she "revised" it for her translation.

Before claiming Dostoevsky is one of the greatest authors of all-time you have to base it on what Dostoevsky actual wrote, and not what someone decided you needed to think he wrote.

Tolstoy holds up much better to today when compared to Dostoevsky. But he also wrote much longer novels to get the lengthy "scene" descriptions in. Remember that the people of the 1800s, and early 1900s did not have access to media, and rarely travelled from from home. The lengthy scene descriptions were useful for helping readers visualize something they were entirely unfamiliar with.

Start reading one of your Pevear and Volokhonsky translations, and borrower buy, a translated version by someone else. Better yet, read about the criticisms about how the Pevear and Volokhonsky "hype" machine from translators. You might well decide not read someone else's translation.

FYI: Pevear and Volokhonsky are a husband-wife team. Volokhonsky is Russian and she is not a writer. She is a mathematical linguist. She is not a trained translator. She does a literal translation without interference from her husband. Her husband "polishes" her translations.

Gary Saul Morson (writing for "Commentary") stated that the translations "take glorious works and reduce them to awkward and unsightly muddles."

L L wrote:

Racket wrote:

OK I'll bite with a controversial hot take :

Tariffs are good for the country because they'll help slow down an already overheated economy.

Yeah, that's what Trump wants to do.

Slow down the economy heading into 2020.

A slow down for which he will blame Democrats.

L L wrote:

Racket wrote:

OK I'll bite with a controversial hot take :

Tariffs are good for the country because they'll help slow down an already overheated economy.

Yeah, that's what Trump wants to do.

Slow down the economy heading into 2020.

I’ve been saying all along....tick, tock, tick, tock...