Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

Barr’s backpedaling while telling anyone who’ll listen (only trumpers, a rapidly decreasing minority), that he’s actually attacking. Just like trump wasn’t losing the midterms, he was WINNING the shutdown, ha ha!

He’s more likely to end up in prison alongside an actual spy, Maria Butina. The only foreigner trump won’t deport, lol.

And two wrongs make a right? I despise executive orders. I think they should be banned. I think if Congress subpoenas you then you show up or go to jail. Doesn’t matter what color shirt you wear on Election Day.

I think the difference between this President and previous ones is the breadth and depth of the stonewalling and obstruction. Iran Contra, Lewinsky, Iraq War, etc....these are singular issues. Trump it seems has a multitude of issues going on related to the campaign, his finances, the Mueller Investigation, emoluments issues, etc.

Ultimately it will be adjudicated via the 2020 election. My fear is that the Dems will take back the Senate, WH and maintain control of the House. I’m not a fan of one party control and feel like forced compromise is the only way forward, unless we want to continue this partisan authoritarianism we’ve dipped our toes in over the last couple of decades.

Alan

Sally Vix wrote:

Runningart2004 wrote:

So what’s the end game with these Congressional hearings? Can people just continue to ignore their subpoena because Trump says so? Is it a case of an authoritarian president or an authoritarian Congress? I’m assuming it will all be figured out in court.

What will other presidents do now? Even Democrat ones. Does a president now see he can ignore Congress with little negative impact?

Similarly, do many Republicans enjoy this authoritarian style of governance? Would they rather a president govern by decree with no checks and balances? Is it then better to stonewall and obstruct until your side has control of Congress instead of working together?

Alan

How quickly we forget, Alan. Do you not remember when AG Eric Holder ignored the subpoena concerning the Fast and the Furious. How quickly we forget, alas.

The outcome was that congress filed suit against the DOJ and won. It took 15 months, but Holder eventually was forced to turn over the documents.

That's one of the reasons I think congress will win this time around. It just might take awhile.

Yeah, Obama actually HAD 15 months; trump can’t afford to think so far ahead, nor could the many underlings who’ve already ended up as convicts.

Runningart2004 wrote:

And two wrongs make a right? I despise executive orders. I think they should be banned. I think if Congress subpoenas you then you show up or go to jail. Doesn’t matter what color shirt you wear on Election Day.

Executive orders exist under an interpretation of the Constitution. You can't really "ban" them unless you want to hold a Constitutional Convention and the Supreme Court has the power to overturn any executive order anyways. Not to mention you can argue that a duly elected president should have some sort of executive order authority.

I think the difference between this President and previous ones is the breadth and depth of the stonewalling and obstruction.

Yes well that's like saying you think the difference between this President and previous ones is that he's the stupidest one. It's trivially true of course because no one has managed to set the bar as low as our current idiot-in-chief but this is Washington we're talking about. These things happen and when a Democrat comes into power and starts executive ordering this and that we'll have to hear from all the Republicans about how awful it is and how much of dictator he/she is etc.

Trump won the election in 2016 (Flagpole I swear to God don't even right now) and he has the backing of the Senate, many of which were literally just elected like 6 months ago. Doesn't sound authoritarian to me, just sounds like the average American is retarded, and if you expect that to change anytime soon, then, well, lol.

I'll add the CHEATING of the HRC campaign right back here. You know why? Because cheaters NEVER win. She and many, many others tried to cheat to ensure a win, and it was shoved right down their and your throat.

Clownpole has been reduced to using the *supposed* "directed" hush payments as Trump's cheating. Hush payments, of course, are NOT illegal. It just keeps getting better and better from Clownboy as he flails to find *something* to be "right" about.

Meanwhile, here's the actual, PROVEN cheating that took place associated with the Clinton campaign (list comprised off the top of my head, and of only events that took place up through election day)...

FACT: The investigation was named "Midyear Exam" for the Clinton email investigation.

FACT: Loretta lynch demanded that the investigation not be called an investigation, but a "matter" instead.

FACT: The FBI Director authored an exoneration letter before they even interviewed Clinton.

FACT: Many FBI agents thought it was perfectly clear that Clinton should have been indicted.

FACT: Five of Clinton's closest advisors/managers that traded emails with her were given immunity.

FACT: They were then ALLOWED TO SIT IN ON THE INTERVIEW WITH CLINTON!! (Unbelievable.)

FACT: The interview lasted just 3 hours. During with Clinton said she didn't recall 40 times.

FACT: The mysterious server that was "hacked" was WIPED CLEAN using Bleachbit.

FACT: The mysterious "hacked" server was never turned over to the FBI.

FACT: Several of Clinton's devices were literally destroyed with a hammer. A damn hammer (what is this, the 80s?- HA)!!

FACT: AG Lynch deferred her authority to James Comey on the Clinton “matter”.

FACT: James Comey then did not indict because there was "no intent" by Clinton to break the law (after previously stating that the requirements for an indictment had nothing to do with intent).

FACT: CNN's Donna Brazille gave Clinton questions before one of the Democratic debates.

FACT: The same Donna Brazille later came out and told the public that the DNC was essentially acting like an arm of the Clinton campaign, and that the Clinton campaign was managing the funds.

FACT: The Steele Dossier was largely funded by the Clinton campaign funneling payments to Perkins-Coie (very evil people) law firm, and then to Fusion GPS (also evil). This IS illegal, and of course never has been denied to this day.

FACT: The FBI names the investigation into Trump, "Crossfire Hurricane".

FACT: The Steele Dossier employed foreign agents and/or officials to gather their "intel".

FACT: Peter Strzok tells Lisa Page that "we will stop him", and think of the plan coming out of "Andy's office" as a "insurance policy in the unlikely event [that Trump wins]."

FACT: The uncorroborated Steele Dossier was used as the main piece of Intel to get FISA approval to spy on Carter Page (which was the first step into spying on and framing the Trump campaign).

FACT: The CIA and FBI used "informants" (spies) to frame a couple individuals (i.e. Papadopoulos) in the Trump campaign.

FACT: The bulk of the Steele Dossier has proven to be false.

FACT: In testimony now revealed, all of the major actors in the FBI (Comey, McCabe, Strzok, Page, Baker, and others) have admitted that they DID NOT HAVE EVIDENCE of Russia-Trump collusion at the time of the Special Counsel appointment, so they certainly didn't have evidence on election day, either.

FACT: The DNC and NBC colludes to release a private discussion of Donald Trump from 11 years earlier. It is intended to be the beginning of a series of woman claiming Trump harassed/assaulted them, and be the nail in the coffin of the Trump campaign.

FACT: Despite all of the above- and MUCH, MUCH more collusion, smears and lying from the DNC-MSM establishment on a daily basis- Donald J Trump wins the election and DEVASTATES the Liberal media and their sheep.

Like I said, I just threw this together off the top of my head. I'm sure I'm missing some other blatant cheating by the Clinton campaign.

Cheaters never win.

Mueller did NOT come.

The Clown has always been and will always be, Flagpole.

Barr IS COMING.

Runningart2004 wrote:

And two wrongs make a right? I despise executive orders. I think they should be banned. I think if Congress subpoenas you then you show up or go to jail. Doesn’t matter what color shirt you wear on Election Day.

Alan

Agree on subpoenas. Disagree on executive orders.

Executive orders are absolutely necessary for the government to function. As head of the executive branch, the president must be able to give instructions to his subordinates. But you do have a point that executive orders can be abused and there might be a better way to stop the abuse than having to go to court all the time.

As for subpoenas, congress must be allowed to do oversight. It needs greater power to check the other branches of government. Right now, it only really has impeachment. And impeachment is so drastic and difficult, it is rendered useless.

So yes, a real threat of jail time would go a long way toward solving that problem.

Technically, the house could have Barr arrested right now. The problem is that it would literally be a physical showdown between the House's Sergeant-at-Arms and the Secret Service agents guarding Barr.

Runningart2004 wrote:

So what’s the end game with these Congressional hearings? Can people just continue to ignore their subpoena because Trump says so? Is it a case of an authoritarian president or an authoritarian Congress? I’m assuming it will all be figured out in court.

What will other presidents do now? Even Democrat ones. Does a president now see he can ignore Congress with little negative impact?

Similarly, do many Republicans enjoy this authoritarian style of governance? Would they rather a president govern by decree with no checks and balances? Is it then better to stonewall and obstruct until your side has control of Congress instead of working together?

Alan

This all comes to an end if the Dems just admit they were lying to the American people with their Russian Collusion Hoax.

Actually, wait, no it won't, because the DOJ/FBI swampthings need to be punished for attempting to undermine democracy first. It's already starting...

Fat hurts wrote:

Sally Vix wrote:

How quickly we forget, Alan. Do you not remember when AG Eric Holder ignored the subpoena concerning the Fast and the Furious. How quickly we forget, alas.

The outcome was that congress filed suit against the DOJ and won. It took 15 months, but Holder eventually was forced to turn over the documents.

That's one of the reasons I think congress will win this time around. It just might take awhile.

Yep and guess what? They were heavily redacted by the DOJ at the direction of Eric Holder (before he got the boot). And Republicans b!tched and moaned about how the wanted to see the full report.

Alan, I got a good election slogan for you if you're reading this.

2020 : Reelect NO ONE

Silliest of Willies wrote:

FACT: The FBI names the investigation into Trump, "Crossfire Hurricane".

Crossfire Hurricane? Sounds like something a 10 year old would name his backyard fort

L L wrote:

Ever hear of green coal? wrote:

How is this even possible? A coal republican is suing coal-breathing Trump Jr. for … GASP … defamation?

Republican Senate candidate, and coal mining magnate, Don Blankenship is suing Donald Trump Jr. for "weaponized defamation". Blankenship claims that he lost his primary election because people like Trump called him a 'felon", but Blankenship claims, like Daddy Trump, that he has never been convicted of an actual crime.

https://www.donblankenship.com/single-post/2019/04/25/BLANKENSHIP-SUES-TRUMP-JR?cat=1

Don Blankenship.com?

Don Blankenship is a misdemeanant.

Racket wrote:

Silliest of Willies wrote:

FACT: The FBI names the investigation into Trump, "Crossfire Hurricane".

Crossfire Hurricane? Sounds like something a 10 year old would name his backyard fort

Ha! For sure. It further demonstrates the arrogance of the scumbags that generated the Russian Collusion Hoax.

It's nice to see your acknowledgement (in another post) that the current Barr fake-outrage is 100% pure theater, and nothing of actual concern. It should be clear to any adult that Mueller left it to Barr on obstruction specifically to allow Congress to continue their shenanigans.

Now, serious question- are you also able to acknowledge that the DOJ/FBI leadership that "performed" the Midyear Exam and Crossfire Hurricane are likely in deep poop now? I'm amazed at the complete disregard from the Left here when it comes to the mountains of evidence of wrongdoing from the DOJ/FBI. They just completely ignore it. Is it because that's what CNN, MSNBC, etc have done as well? They simply will not discuss anything around the origins of the Russain Collusion Hoax. Will criminal referrals and indictments change that?

Mueller left it to Congress to decide and we'll see what he says when he testifies. It's clear he doesn't think Barr represented the report accurately.

I only admit that some of it's political theater because there is at least some rational grounds for it. Barr was chosen for this job (and approved by the Senate) because Trump knew he'd go to bat for him so really none of this is a surprise and anyone who thinks this won't drag out till 2020 has another thing coming. This is unlike McConnel's decision to stonewall Obama's Supreme Court Judge pick in 2016 which was 100% political theater (and that's just one of many examples). So to me, Republicans are just starting to get a taste of their own medicine and yes, I support that because I want the Democrats to win and that's how you win in D.C.

If there was any wrongdoing by the DOJ/FBI in regards to whatever the other stuff was (and I doubt there was) then it will get swept under the rug forever and it's probably not a big deal anyways. This is the government after all, where things get eternally overlooked and shrugged off as no big deal (mostly because they're too busy using up some of their 6 months of allotted vacation time, hotels and flights of course paid for by the taxpayers).

Racket wrote:

Silliest of Willies wrote:

FACT: The FBI names the investigation into Trump, "Crossfire Hurricane".

Crossfire Hurricane? Sounds like something a 10 year old would name his backyard fort

Yes. Either a 10 year old or Mick Jagger.

It's starting already. Trump's lawyers and advisors did a great job suppressing his actions during the Mueller investigation, knowing that it needed to first be completed and behind us before unleashing the investigations on the root of the Hoax to begin with. This is going to be so fun to watch.

We know Trump & Co plan on declassifying and releasing all of the FISA abuse documentation. The question now is when is the optimum time to do so? You'd want to have all of your ducks in a row to quickly go from bombshell drop to indictments in the shortest time possible. I'm thinking IG Horowitz's report may need to be completed first.

The Dems made a massive mistake pissing off Barr in my opinion.

Well, I guess I need to retract my statement on it being nice to see you are a reasonable partisan then, huh? LOL

Do you truly not believe the DOJ/FBI was working for Clinton with the Midyear Exam and against the Trump campaign with Crossfire Hurricane? Be honest. And that they didn't create the Russia Hoax? With all that we now know? They've all testified that there was never any evidence of Russian Collusion! What more do you need to see to admit it was a hoax?

I can't comprehend how one can see the communications between the leaders of the FBI (where they clearly state they're conspiring against Trump), the fake dossier (paid for by Clinton via Perkins-Coie and Fusion GPS) being used specifically to get a FISA warrant to spy on a Trump campaign volunteer to get their foot in the door to the campaign, sending a spy to frame George Papadopoulos, etc, etc. and not acknowledge that they were trying to set Trump up. It's clear as day.

...and this is AFTER completely letting HRC off the hook for truly breaking the law AND defiantly obstructing justice! The DNC refused to turn over the server, had it wiped clean, destroyed devices, AND THEN WERE ALL GIVEN IMMUNITY!! WHAT?! Unreal.

I can't even write it without laughing. The HRC/DNC actions are the definition of obstructing justice. And instead, we're forced to watch Dems accuse Barr of lying...about Mueller's conclusion...that did not bring obstruction charges...for a crime that did not occur. We are living in surreal times, people.

Anyway, the time is coming now for the other half of the country to learn the truth. The half that was lied to by Rachel Maddow for 2.5 years. The half that was lectured by Chris Cuomo. The Dems had their chance to deliver, and it produced ZERO indictments of Collusion, and ZERO indictments for obstruction.

Mueller did NOT come.

The Clown remains Flagpole.

Barr IS COMING.

Fat hurts wrote:

Racket wrote:

Crossfire Hurricane? Sounds like something a 10 year old would name his backyard fort

Yes. Either a 10 year old or Mick Jagger.

Probably named by somebody with a skydiving background. Crossfire and Hurricane are both well known brands of parachutes.

The only thing you forgot is the voters & the Constitution, which are both crushing little donny baby ?.

Brothers wrote:

You definitely got Flagpole riled up since you got a couple of “brothers” out of him. Lol

I’d have to agree that given her academic record, she definitely “underachieved.” Not that there’s anything wrong with it though. Some people are ambitious, some aren’t.

1) Ha! I don't get "riled up", brother. I am not driven by emotion like the vast majority of you humans. I am driven by logic, truth, and justice.

2) I use "brother" for all kinds of reasons, and it is NEVER used because I am "riled up"...because again, I do not get riled up.

3) You are using "ambitious" in a very limiting way...meaning only career or money-making ambition. Her ambitions beyond academic pursuits were to marry the best guy ever (me), so CHECK, have uber talented children, CHECK, spend a lot of time with those uber talented children, CHECK, work part-time from her mid 40s until she decides to retire, CHECK. As we work as a team, the goal has always been to be financially well-off before and into retirement..well, regarding the "before" part, CHECK.

4) I know more people who would love to work part time for 9 months a year and then mostly have the summer off than I do people who want to work all the time. She and I share that joy of not working which is why I also do no longer work 40 hour weeks...30 hours or less these days.

5) People fool themselves into thinking they enjoy working 40 hours or more a week. It's a defense mechanism mostly. Most of us have to work for decades and even up to within 10 years of dying. It's depressing when you think about it, so people kid themselves about liking it since they have to do it. Better to work part-time or not at all while you are still young enough to do the other things in life you enjoy if you can afford to do so. She can afford to do so, and so she did not work for 15 years and chooses to work part time now.

My answer to you is not to defend her decisions. It is to perhaps open your eyes to a better way to look at life. If you have put yourself in a position to do what you want, then that is the best position. She's made her mark on the world in better ways already than most people ever do with regard to her HIV/AIDS research and then being instrumental in getting health care for kids passed. Many people have lived much longer than they would have because of her. Now she is enjoying what she wants to do.