Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

Runningart2004 wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

So, what makes you so in love with Trump that you don't believe Trump cheats at golf? OF COURSE he cheats at golf! It would be news if he didn't cheat at golf. He has a false image of himself and does anything he can to uphold that image. He sucks at golf, so he cheats so that he can tell himself and others that he beat someone or can claim to have almost tied Tiger Woods. Dude is bonkers.

I think the thing is he’s actually a decent golfer. According to Reilly he thinks he’s like a 10 handicap, which I guess is good (I don’t play golf) but claims like a 2.5? Or some nonsense.

Alan

I'm no expert, but I used to play several times a year. For someone who plays as much as Tiny, 10 sounds about right. It's a pretty decent handicap, but nothing to write home about.

Where have all the moderates gone? Seriously republicans are pretty much fallen way to the right. Democrats have gone way to the left.

Who on this thread is a moderate republican/ Democrat? Pretty much the same :)

Flagpole wrote:

Runningart2004 wrote:

I think the thing is he’s actually a decent golfer. According to Reilly he thinks he’s like a 10 handicap, which I guess is good (I don’t play golf) but claims like a 2.5? Or some nonsense.

Alan

Decent golfer compared to what? Good enough to almost tie Tiger Woods? Um...no. He's delusional.

The whole "collusion" thing came up short so I guess the idea now is to instead denounce Trump for cheating at golf? You libs refuse to admit defeat.

Mueller never

Clownpole forever

agip wrote:

I try to be moderate in politics and see the other side. Somehow that has lead me to having trump and warren as my least favorite presidential candidates. I mean I would rather have Bernie than warren. I would rather have pence than trump.

Just listened to an interview with warren, with her going on and on about how miserable and put upon americans are, and how corporations have their foot on everyones' necks...then all kinds of misleading data.

I'll vote for anyone. Anyone. Over trump.

But warren is truly awful. Only the most class-obsessed, business hating socialists will go in her camp. I hope. Trump would clobber her.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/13/opinion/the-argument-candidate-elizabeth-warren.html?rref=collection%2Fcolumn%2Fthe-argument&action=click&contentCollection=opinion&region=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=3&pgtype=collection

Elizabeth is right. The game is rigged in favor of large corporations. We need a form of capitalism where the rules favor people instead of companies.

No Mr. Romney, corporations are not people!

Warren is the smartest candidate in the field and she is the only one with the guts to put out detailed policy proposals. I wish she had more to say on climate change, but otherwise, she's really terrific.

do you think her view of a miserable, beat-up, victimized american public will gather enough votes to get the nomination?

Middleoftheroad wrote:

Where have all the moderates gone? Seriously republicans are pretty much fallen way to the right. Democrats have gone way to the left.

Who on this thread is a moderate republican/ Democrat? Pretty much the same :)

I’m a moderate.

Beto is a moderate.

Biden is a moderate.

Klobuchar is a moderate.

Alan

I'm obviously not moderate.

I'm surprised you'd rather have Bernie than Warren.

His ideas are way more out there than Warren's.

Corporations really have consolidated money and power over the average American worker.

The disparity in pay grows every year.

Profitable corporations tend to sit on cash and grow retained earnings to juice the stock price which goes into executive bonus programs.

Many wealthy people like to see their wealth on paper and not spend it.

That's keeping cash out of worker's pockets and limiting their spending power.

They want to see net income grow so they lobby everyone for corporate tax breaks.

But they do not put the extra cash back into the business or pay the employees.

They buyback stock or just keep the money in the bank or maybe purchase securities.

This is a systemic issue and has gone on for decades.

Lower corporate taxes actually reduce the incentive to pay higher salaries.

With a higher tax, they would save taxes by increasing expenses like payroll which would give them a lower taxable income.

I know it's not as simple as I am writing it but the breaks that larger companies get are huge. And as they gobble up more smaller companies, then a higher percentage of Americans are subject to the whims of the big companies who don't use their economies of scale to help the workers.

I think a wealth tax is a bad idea because wealth is hard to pin down and you may have to sell property to pay the wealth tax.

Some of Warren's talk is to get votes like every other politician.

Most of her ideas have no chance of getting passed.

Almost none of Bernie's ideas have a chance of getting passed. He's like Trump in that way.

Warren can articulate her ideas pretty well. I do not think she will be the nominee. I think of her and Bernie as activists more than presidential material.

Runningart2004 wrote:

Middleoftheroad wrote:

Where have all the moderates gone? Seriously republicans are pretty much fallen way to the right. Democrats have gone way to the left.

Who on this thread is a moderate republican/ Democrat? Pretty much the same :)

I’m a moderate.

Beto is a moderate.

Biden is a moderate.

Klobuchar is a moderate.

Alan

Beto is an odd bird...not sure I'd call him a moderate anymore. he is off on his own. Massively left on race/cultural issues - as left as campus nuts in many ways.

but he's not anti-business like warren and Bernie.

So he's the sort of 'liberal on social issues, moderate on money issues' that many people say they are. Sort of a yankee 'I don't care what you do in your spare time but don't f around with town finances' sort of thing.

will it sell in this time? I hope so.

agip wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

Elizabeth is right. The game is rigged in favor of large corporations. We need a form of capitalism where the rules favor people instead of companies.

No Mr. Romney, corporations are not people!

Warren is the smartest candidate in the field and she is the only one with the guts to put out detailed policy proposals. I wish she had more to say on climate change, but otherwise, she's really terrific.

do you think her view of a miserable, beat-up, victimized american public will gather enough votes to get the nomination?

Warren draws well from all over the political spectrum. Once people hear her message, they tend to like it. She is able to channel the anger that people have over the villains of the great recession who never got punished.

The other thing about her is that she's an exceptional debater. So if she can stay in the race long enough she will begin to get more air time in each debate and she will be able to stand out among the remaining contestants.

I'd absolutely love to see her in a debate against Tiny. I think she would relentlessly rip him to shreds.

Runningart2004 wrote:

Middleoftheroad wrote:

Where have all the moderates gone? Seriously republicans are pretty much fallen way to the right. Democrats have gone way to the left.

Who on this thread is a moderate republican/ Democrat? Pretty much the same :)

I’m a moderate.

Beto is a moderate.

Biden is a moderate.

Klobuchar is a moderate.

Alan

Alan, thanks for the humor. Always nice to have something to laugh about.

I think I prefer Bernie over warren because he isn't so doom and gloom. I really dont' want to be told how miserable a place America is. Bernie doesn't do that, but warren does.

Totally agreed that neither would get much of anything past congress, unless there is a massive blue wave in 2020 that takes the senate by a lot.

Agreed those two seem like activists. I just like Bernie's more positive manner than warren's 'good lord you all are miserable' stance. And warren seems to have more integrity....which in a twisted way is worse, since she is way smarter than Bernie and would feel like she had to keep pushing to get her priorities done.

Sally Vix wrote:

Runningart2004 wrote:

I’m a moderate.

Beto is a moderate.

Biden is a moderate.

Klobuchar is a moderate.

Alan

Alan, thanks for the humor. Always nice to have something to laugh about.

I take that back. Alan is a left-leaning moderate. As is Joe Biden. Not sure about Klobuchar but Beto is pretty far to the left.

Fat hurts wrote:

agip wrote:

do you think her view of a miserable, beat-up, victimized american public will gather enough votes to get the nomination?

Warren draws well from all over the political spectrum. Once people hear her message, they tend to like it. She is able to channel the anger that people have over the villains of the great recession who never got punished.

The other thing about her is that she's an exceptional debater. So if she can stay in the race long enough she will begin to get more air time in each debate and she will be able to stand out among the remaining contestants.

I'd absolutely love to see her in a debate against Tiny. I think she would relentlessly rip him to shreds.

Most R strategists feel that Warren would be the only Dem trump could beat pretty easily. An annoying, naggy super-left Harvard professor is just not who people want to have a beer with on Friday night. Or listen to for eight years.

Maybe dems want that. I sure don't. The Obama style is so much better, by a million light years.

I would concur with you.

Trollminator wrote:

agip wrote:

for pete's sake, Sally is nothing like gary. Gary was an angry paranoid old man, convinced the lefty storm troopers were about to knock in his door and carry him off to the camps. Sally is nothing like that.

I’ve seen some eerily similar posts on Obama harming him with his IRS persecution... almost identical. Could be Gary using Sally persona to try a “softer” tactic to get libs to see the light that is DJT. Most likely Sally is just a different troll or just a really really slow poster.

I would not dispute you calling me a really slow poster. But, I am not Gary and I am not a troll. I enjoy having genuine discussions here with the likes of even you, agip, Fat Hurts, Flagpole, Alan and others. We may not change how each other thinks but the opposite side's opinions may cause us to readjust just a little bit how we think.

Sally Vix wrote:

Trollminator wrote:

I’ve seen some eerily similar posts on Obama harming him with his IRS persecution... almost identical. Could be Gary using Sally persona to try a “softer” tactic to get libs to see the light that is DJT. Most likely Sally is just a different troll or just a really really slow poster.

I would not dispute you calling me a really slow poster. But, I am not Gary and I am not a troll. I enjoy having genuine discussions here with the likes of even you, agip, Fat Hurts, Flagpole, Alan and others. We may not change how each other thinks but the opposite side's opinions may cause us to readjust just a little bit how we think.

cheers. You seem like a sincere person working through the issues.

I do feel bad when I type angry here, but I do it anyway. Reflects badly on me, but it's either that or the bottle. I can't run as much as I used to due to my being old and all.

Middleoftheroad wrote:

Where have all the moderates gone? Seriously republicans are pretty much fallen way to the right. Democrats have gone way to the left.

Who on this thread is a moderate republican/ Democrat? Pretty much the same :)

Me. Middle right or left pending the issue.

Extremes are equally in quacksville

Elizabeth Warren has no chance to be elected. She just presents really poorly even if one was to agree with her message. She's a best fit as a behind the scenes policy creator.

Middleoftheroad wrote:

Where have all the moderates gone? Seriously republicans are pretty much fallen way to the right. Democrats have gone way to the left.

Who on this thread is a moderate republican/ Democrat? Pretty much the same :)

Charlie Baker is a moderate.

Phil Scott is a moderate.

Larry Hogan is a moderate.

And there is at least one moderate who will be challenging Trump in GOP primaries: Bill Weld.