This appeared in Bloomberg, a liberal rag, and says it would spend the US into oblivion ...
This appeared in Bloomberg, a liberal rag, and says it would spend the US into oblivion ...
Fat Hurts - what are your fantasy estimates for the New Green Deal?
Here is something appearing in CNN by Jeffery Miron who is Director of Economic Studies at the Cato Institute on why the country can't afford it ...
Flagpole wrote:
Pookie Washington wrote:
You people are silly. Biden should not be able to run for POTUS because he kissed some dumb broad on the top of the head? Really
He has a pattern of this type of behavior...unannounced and unwanted touching. Just not appropriate, and we don't need that attached to a presidential candidate.
Mneh I’m no Democrat and wouldn’t vote for him but I think the whole thing is petty. I’m not sure how much I’m buying this. I think you Dems are a little overboard. Not everyone was a complete Saint.
But hey, if he drops out President Trump will be a lock to be re-elected. So that’s good news for me!
Sally Vix wrote:
Fat Hurts - what are your fantasy estimates for the New Green Deal?
You can post all the links you want. They are all just numbers made up out of thin air. I won't be participating in your conservative fantasy game.
Right now the Green New Deal is just a set of goals. It has $0 of spending attached.
One of those goals that I know something about is the switch to renewable energy. And that is something that will not only help with climate change, it will be a huge boon to our economy. If that's the only part of the Green New Deal that gets enacted, it will end up saving us a ton of money in the long run.
Thisthreadisridiculous wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
He has a pattern of this type of behavior...unannounced and unwanted touching. Just not appropriate, and we don't need that attached to a presidential candidate.
Mneh I’m no Democrat and wouldn’t vote for him but I think the whole thing is petty. I’m not sure how much I’m buying this. I think you Dems are a little overboard. Not everyone was a complete Saint.
But hey, if he drops out President Trump will be a lock to be re-elected. So that’s good news for me!
It's not petty. You don't have to be a Saint to run for President, but inappropriate touching isn't good, especially in today's more enlightened world. Have you seen all the videos of him doing this again and again? HE obviously doesn't think it is bad to do that, because he wouldn't be doing it with cameras running if he did, but it just goes to show how long and how often women have had to deal with people touching them without their consent.
I don't think him exiting the race makes it better for you. He's the front runner now only due to name recognition. He looks and acts older and older every time I see him, and he will not hold up well in debates with other Democrat competition. It's not about that anyway. We should ALWAYS make decisions based on what is right, not based on what might or might not help my political party. Democrats get to take the high road these days as they got rid of Conyers and Franken swiftly for MUCH less than Trump has been accused of. I think Biden will feel the heat and will ultimately not win the party nomination if he does indeed run.
Trump has made us expect less from Presidential candidates. We should not. YOU should not.
It’s Constitution 21, trump 0. Donny is going to try 3 Hail Mary’s, two onside kicks & then go for 2. Followed no doubt by free Big Macs for all. Fat chance fat boy!
White House official with rare form of dwarfism blows whistle on mental dwarf trump! Funny!
WH states that trump can give a security clearance to any stupid crook they want! Birds of a feather, ha ha.
Hi Sally Vix,
We’re reprogramming you for free speech! Isn’t it fun?
Basically what you do is throw a whole lot of predictions against the wall, see what sticks, and claim victory over the 5% that come true.
Yeah, and he's been doing it for years on the LRC board, which is why he's been a joke since he called himself Flagpole Willy. I always just chalked it up as an Ohio-insecurity thing.
On Trump though, he has yet to get anything right. Three years of crying, crying wolf, and predicting doom.
Ha! Missed the monthly yesterday. Any way we could get these Flagpole Streak updates weekly?
For the life of me, I still can't understand how Flagpole shows his face around here after being proven wrong so many times. Most people would find another hobby. Or at least something they're better at.
Fat hurts wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
The Green New Deal will be a huge boon to our economy? Are you serious? It is projected to cost between $51 and $93 trillion over 10 years. That would cripple our economy. Come on!
You are referring to a bogus study that came up with numbers out of thin air. Seriously. That's what you were fed. Did you really believe it?
The Green New Deal as written today costs $0. There is no spending attached.
The Green New Deal I advocate will be a huge boon to the economy. We will get rid of fossil fuel and start using cleaner, super-cheap energy. Our homes and cars will eventually get free electricity.
And it won't cost much at all because making the switch will be paid for by polluters.
AKA middle and lower classes.
I think you have a misunderstanding of the terms"free." Just because you don't pay for it at the time of use doesn't mean it's free. My kids go to a "free" public school. However, I pay for the school through taxes and bonds. It is "free" for me to go to my local park. However, I paid for the creation and maintenance of the park through taxes and bonds. When I go to the coffee shop, I can access their "free" WIFI. However, I pay for the WIFI is higher cost of goods.
What happens when there are no more "polluters"? Will it still be "free"?
Fat hurts wrote:
Silly Willy wrote:
Moran- everyone that testified- Comey, McCabe, Strzok, Page, Ohr, Baker, and others- said there was ZERO evidence of collusion at the time of the Special Counsel.
You are wrong. They did not say that.
Actually, I'm exactly right. They did say that. So you are once again simply uninformed because you obviously only follow one side of the news. Which in this case, means the "made up" side.
Lisa Page:
""It’s a reflection of us still not knowing,” Page told Rep. John Ratcliffe (R-Texas) when questioned about texts she and Strzok exchanged in May 2017 as Robert Mueller was being named special counsel to take over the Russia investigation.
With that statement, Page acknowledged a momentous fact: After nine months of using some of the most awesome surveillance powers afforded to U.S. intelligence, the FBI still had not made a case connecting Trump or his campaign to Russia’s election meddling.
Page opined further, acknowledging “it still existed in the scope of possibility that there would be literally nothing” to connect Trump and Russia, no matter what Mueller or the FBI did.
“As far as May of 2017, we still couldn’t answer the question,” she said at another point."
Jim Comey:
""Shortly after he was fired, ex-FBI Director James Comey told the Senate there was not yet evidence to justify investigating Trump for colluding with Russia. “When I left, we did not have an investigation focused on President Trump,” Comey testified."
Peter Strzok:
"And Strzok, the counterintelligence boss and leader of the Russia probe, texted Page in May 2017 that he was reluctant to join Mueller’s probe and leave his senior FBI post because he feared “there’s no big there, there.”
The Department of Justice (DOJ) inspector general asked Strzok shortly before he was fired from the FBI what he meant by that text, and he offered a most insightful answer.
Strzok said he wasn’t certain there was a “broad, coordinated effort” to hijack the election and that the evidence of Trump campaign aides talking about getting dirt on Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton from Russians might have been just a “bunch of opportunists” talking to heighten their importance.
Strzok added that, while he raised the idea of impeachment in some of his texts to Page, “I am, again, was not, am not convinced or certain that it will,” he told the inspector general.
So, by the words of Comey, Strzok and Page, we now know that the Trump Justice Department — through Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein — unleashed the Mueller special counsel probe before the FBI could validate a connection between Trump and Russia.
Which raises the question: If there was no concrete evidence of collusion, why did we need a special counsel?"
https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/406881-lisa-page-bombshell-fbi-couldnt-prove-trump-russia-collusion-before-muellerThis is your brain on Faux News, lol
That's a good summation.
I think we both understand the word "free" just fine.
You have to realize that the switch to renewable energy requires a large upfront cost, but only a tiny cost to keep the system running. So polluters will cover the cost of making the switch.
After that, there are any number of ways to fund whatever ongoing maintenance there might be. I'm suggesting that the cost of electricity will be so low that it won't make sense to bill ordinary rate payers any more. So electricity will be free for those customers. It is free in the same sense that today we refer to our "free public libraries".
Polluters == middle and lower classes
So every one of these quotes basically says, "We don't know yet".
That's very different from what you claimed. You claimed they said, "there was ZERO evidence of collusion at the time of the Special Counsel." And as I pointed out, that's not what they said.
There was plenty of evidence. And without a full investigation, there was no way to know what that evidence was pointing to. Therefore, they needed an investigation.
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