Is Trump off his meds?
Calling for Schiff to be removed from Congress all-together, calling FBI and Intel officials treasonous, trying to throw out Obamacare without a replacement and his Edu Sec is proposing cutting $14mil from the Special Olympics (yes I know it’s mostly private funded, around $100mil).
So is this the plan now that his Wall will be in legal limbo forever? Just do outlandish things to drown out the noise? Drown out the 2020 Dems and other investigations?
Alan
Sally Vix wrote:
I will address the second question. If 2 years had been spent on investigating everything about Obama, it definitely would not have been a nothing burger. What he did with the IRS in targeting conservative groups is perhaps the most egregious abuse of presidential power ever. Having Loretta Lynch meet with Bill Clinton to clear Hillary of wrongdoing is also terribly troubling. Obama did many things that a "Robert Mueller" investigating him would not have come back with no indictments.
A few facts for you about the IRS scandal:
* Nobody found evidence that Obama or anyone in the White House had anything to do with the supposed IRS scandal.
* Nobody in the IRS was fired.
* Nobody in the IRS was indicted.
* The FBI investigation found no evidence of "enemy hunting". In other words, what the IRS did was not done for partisan reasons.
* The Trump administration settled the lawsuit filed by the organizations that were supposedly harmed. If this were a real stain on the Obama administration, they would have let it go to trial so the "truth" would be exposed.
The IRS "scandal" was the true nothingburger. It was a case of poor judgement, but there was no hint of nefarious activity.
The Obama administration was the cleanest since Carter. Nobody in his administration was even indicted.
On the other hand, everything Tiny touches is riddled with scandal. Can't you see the difference?
Barr-Barr wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
1) We (or at least all of Congress) need to see as much of the report as possible because we have to assume Barr’s interpretation is biased based on his inherent conflict of interest, and
2) More than half the country won’t be convinced until they see it and Trump can’t afford that going into re-election, on top of farting around with ACA and the other 16 investigations (or is it 15???). He’s dammed either way because the report will inevitably paint him in a worse light (yes that’s possible), but that’s what happens when you are a shady MFer.
If Barr is lying, do you think Mueller would remain silent? He has spoken out about inaccurate reportings before.
I have not accused him of straight up lying. I believe it’s very likely that he has cherry picked from the report and given his own rosy interpretation of the findings. There is a subtle but critical difference. With this being a política process and Mueller already affirming his refusal to weigh in on the obstruction issue, I do not see why he would now come out and say anything. That would be deemed political interference. Congress can drag him in for a hearing, that would be the right way for him to voice any concerns with what Barr has said. Also, Mueller DID NOT exonerate Trump in the report, that is not debatable but Trump has decided to create his own facts, once again.
Fat hurts wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
I will address the second question. If 2 years had been spent on investigating everything about Obama, it definitely would not have been a nothing burger. What he did with the IRS in targeting conservative groups is perhaps the most egregious abuse of presidential power ever. Having Loretta Lynch meet with Bill Clinton to clear Hillary of wrongdoing is also terribly troubling. Obama did many things that a "Robert Mueller" investigating him would not have come back with no indictments.
A few facts for you about the IRS scandal:
* Nobody found evidence that Obama or anyone in the White House had anything to do with the supposed IRS scandal.
* Nobody in the IRS was fired.
* Nobody in the IRS was indicted.
* The FBI investigation found no evidence of "enemy hunting". In other words, what the IRS did was not done for partisan reasons.
* The Trump administration settled the lawsuit filed by the organizations that were supposedly harmed. If this were a real stain on the Obama administration, they would have let it go to trial so the "truth" would be exposed.
The IRS "scandal" was the true nothingburger. It was a case of poor judgement, but there was no hint of nefarious activity.
The Obama administration was the cleanest since Carter. Nobody in his administration was even indicted.
On the other hand, everything Tiny touches is riddled with scandal. Can't you see the difference?
There is no difference. It's just your bias. Grow a pair tiny Fat Hurts.
Barr-Barr wrote:
If Barr is lying, do you think Mueller would remain silent? He has spoken out about inaccurate reportings before.
Barr probably isn't lying. But he's not telling the whole story either.
Mueller will always remain a good soldier. And a good soldier doesn't buck the chain of command.
This is the reason I had kept saying stop looking for the Mueller Report.
Mueller has been giving multiple reports with each indictment and guilty plea.
Congress has had enough to make impeachment charges for a while.
Mueller's report was to go to someone picked by Trump who reports to to Trump.
Congress does not need to subpoena Mueller's report from the DOJ.
They can subpoena Mueller himself and ask what he has found.
And they can subpoena evidence turned over to the SDNY.
I don't think that Mueller considers Trump is in the clear because he conducted raids on Trump's lawyer, Cohen and his associate Roger Stone and squeezed Manafort as hard as he could then sent him for prosecution.
As long as Barr is colluding with Trump, he won't give a finding of Trump conspiring with Russia.
There are no collusion findings because Trump successfully obstructed those findings.
Runningart2004 wrote:
Is Trump off his meds?
Calling for Schiff to be removed from Congress all-together, calling FBI and Intel officials treasonous, trying to throw out Obamacare without a replacement and his Edu Sec is proposing cutting $14mil from the Special Olympics (yes I know it’s mostly private funded, around $100mil).
So is this the plan now that his Wall will be in legal limbo forever? Just do outlandish things to drown out the noise? Drown out the 2020 Dems and other investigations?
Alan
I sure hope all of that is just him trying to distract from all of the other investigations and the still lingering questions about the Mueller Report that we haven't even seen yet. While I DO believe he is incompetent to be the President and colloquially I say he is "crazy", I do not actually think he is mentally ill...however, I have an open mind about that. Because, if not deflection, then he is behaving in a way a crazy person would.
Bear man pig wrote:
So, you do believe Barr.
Believe Barr? Believe Barr is lying?
Anyone who asks these things is monumentally clueless. It is not a question of whether or not Barr is lying (he would be unbelievably stupid to do so). It is a question of what Barr chose to include in his summary, how he chose to spin what was included and what he glossed over or simply didn't mention.
Obviously the full (properly redacted) Mueller report should be made available to the public. The only people who think otherwise are:
1) folks who support Trump and suspect that some bad things about Trump are in the report and
2) anti-Americans who think that Americans do not deserve/can't handle the truth
Flagpole wrote:
Contrary to popular belief, I do not live on this site and in fact had a very busy work day with a client today, so I didn't even touch my computer for fun until after 9 p.m. Eastern.
In light of many recent developments, here are some HONEST (my hand to God and Fred Rogers) opinions I have on recent developments that have any political connotation.
1) Jussie Smollett should have kept his mouth shut after the charges were dropped. Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel is right to be angry. While I do not know this because there has been no court case or enough evidence to be 100% sure, it DOES appear that he set the whole thing up, and I do not believe justice has been done. Now, the FBI is looking into the case in part due to his arrogance and the anger that the Chicago Police Chief and Emanuel expressed. Smollett looked a gift horse in the mouth, and that was stupid.
2) Adam Schiff has disappointed me with his "undoubtedly there is collusion" comment. He can't say that now. We need to see the full Mueller Report before he can say that, and then, if the Mueller Report clearly states that there was not (and I will accept "not enough evidence" to mean that), then he needs to let this part go. Too much like sour grapes on this point, and that weakens any comment he might be able to make in earnest about Trump in the future.
3) The GOP (I include Barr in that) is doing a disservice to itself by wanting to block the full Mueller Report. Bad form. People who are guilty don't want the truth to come out. This is how this action is perceived.
4) I think the House should of course do all it can to get the full Mueller Report released, and I do believe that will happen. I am also not opposed to them calling in Mueller and Barr and Rosenstein to testify. We all need to be 100% clear on the findings and everyone's role in them.
5) I am NOT so sure the House needs to investigate Trump's financial dealings. I am more than confident in the work of the SDNY and others who are already far up his ass in that arena. It would behoove House members (Democrat ones) to work on clarifying what the Mueller Report says, possibly investigate any avenue that suggests Trump or anyone in his circle may have been compromised in some way by Russia, but leave the bulk of the financial stuff to those looking into it already.
6) The Mueller Report, that we haven't even seen yet, is just one investigation's end. There are still 17 others out there, many spawed off the Mueller investigation. Trump and the three involved Trump children are still in serious jeopardy, and I still do honestly believe that Donald Trump will spend time in prison for his criminal behavior (other than due to exceptions I have listed several times). It is not reasonable or just for Michael Cohen to spend time in prison for something Trump directed him to do if Trump himself doesn't also have to serve time. If we go off precedent, the DIRECTOR of non-violent felonies typically gets MORE time than the one who performed the felony. That's just one thing too that he will face . . .
Very nice post!
Cheers
Democrats lose again!!!!
How’s that Russian collusion working out for you???
Mueller?
Mueller??
Mueller???
Hahahahahaha!!!!
Mueller concluded that Russians were dumb enough to help trump & believed they could shake him down afterwards for sanctions relief & buying lots of their dirty coal & oil. Donny took the votes, cash, and the trolls and now he’s just laughing. Try & collect, vladdy. Besides screwing putin, it tells everybody that the Tsar is dead & they can screw him, too. Now Putin has to watch his own back. Pretty funny.
After Barr’s statement, the Russians admitted they were disappointed; sanctions got WORSE & will continue to get worse. They looked depressed. Now they may have to lose Venezuela, too. They’re outgunned & in the wrong hemisphere. They’re struggling.
P wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Contrary to popular belief, I do not live on this site and in fact had a very busy work day with a client today, so I didn't even touch my computer for fun until after 9 p.m. Eastern.
In light of many recent developments, here are some HONEST (my hand to God and Fred Rogers) opinions I have on recent developments that have any political connotation.
1) Jussie Smollett should have kept his mouth shut after the charges were dropped. Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel is right to be angry. While I do not know this because there has been no court case or enough evidence to be 100% sure, it DOES appear that he set the whole thing up, and I do not believe justice has been done. Now, the FBI is looking into the case in part due to his arrogance and the anger that the Chicago Police Chief and Emanuel expressed. Smollett looked a gift horse in the mouth, and that was stupid.
2) Adam Schiff has disappointed me with his "undoubtedly there is collusion" comment. He can't say that now. We need to see the full Mueller Report before he can say that, and then, if the Mueller Report clearly states that there was not (and I will accept "not enough evidence" to mean that), then he needs to let this part go. Too much like sour grapes on this point, and that weakens any comment he might be able to make in earnest about Trump in the future.
3) The GOP (I include Barr in that) is doing a disservice to itself by wanting to block the full Mueller Report. Bad form. People who are guilty don't want the truth to come out. This is how this action is perceived.
4) I think the House should of course do all it can to get the full Mueller Report released, and I do believe that will happen. I am also not opposed to them calling in Mueller and Barr and Rosenstein to testify. We all need to be 100% clear on the findings and everyone's role in them.
5) I am NOT so sure the House needs to investigate Trump's financial dealings. I am more than confident in the work of the SDNY and others who are already far up his ass in that arena. It would behoove House members (Democrat ones) to work on clarifying what the Mueller Report says, possibly investigate any avenue that suggests Trump or anyone in his circle may have been compromised in some way by Russia, but leave the bulk of the financial stuff to those looking into it already.
6) The Mueller Report, that we haven't even seen yet, is just one investigation's end. There are still 17 others out there, many spawed off the Mueller investigation. Trump and the three involved Trump children are still in serious jeopardy, and I still do honestly believe that Donald Trump will spend time in prison for his criminal behavior (other than due to exceptions I have listed several times). It is not reasonable or just for Michael Cohen to spend time in prison for something Trump directed him to do if Trump himself doesn't also have to serve time. If we go off precedent, the DIRECTOR of non-violent felonies typically gets MORE time than the one who performed the felony. That's just one thing too that he will face . . .
Very nice post!
Cheers
Thanks, brother.
The one you posted just prior was very nice as well.
So much for Trump's cries that his tax "breaks" for the rich would be rocket fuel for the economy.
His guesstimate for 2018 Q4 was 2.6% GDP growth. That has been adjusted for reality and now comes in at 2.2%.
His guesstimate that 2018 has 3.1% GDP growth has been adjusted for reality and now comes in at 2.9%.
His guesstimate for 2019 is 3.2% growth. Actual economics say 2.2-2.5% GDP growth is reality.
A government report was available only earlier today. It has since been taken offline by the Trump Administration. Trump must want the math fixed.
Trump approval is soaring!!!!
Democrats are completely out of touch with the American people. Democrats love hoaxes - Russian collusion, climate change and hate crime.
Democrats lose again!!!
GOP will retake the house and expand senate majority!!!
In Trump's mind, Jussie Smollett has his charges dropped and:
“FBI & DOJ to review the outrageous Jussie Smollett case in Chicago,” Trump tweeted Thursday. “It is an embarrassment to our Nation!”
But no charges on Trump and he's exonerated.
No need for Congress to look into that.
Ha ha, yeah trump’s math stops at one; Me 1, everyone else nothing.
Pelosi, whose brains are literally killing trump, made no secret that we can get the truth out; implement policies that actually help people; and progressives will roll in the election. No Drama Obama II.
Flagpole wrote:
P wrote:
Very nice post!
Cheers
Thanks, brother.
The one you posted just prior was very nice as well.
Circle jerk alert!!!
Political spin is *technically* not = to lying wrote:
Bear man pig wrote:
So, you do believe Barr.
Barr is putting a GOP political spin on Mueller’s report which, technically, is not lying.
This outcome was set up by Trump and his team over several years. They did an outstanding job in making sure that unless there was an audio or video recording of Trump singing the Russian national anthem while Putin gave him a golden shower while praising Trump for his loyalty to mother Russia that most GOP voters would have doubts about Mueller’s findings. This is what is happening now.
But, as flaggy and others have said, it is pretty clear that Trump and his family will have some serious legal troubles with the SDNY once he is out of office. My guess is some of the info about financial crimes which have been referred to the SDNY for prosecution are in Mueller’s report.
Those details will likely be the ones that Barr refuses to release. Again, technically, that is not lying and it actually is probably the appropriate (legal) thing to do given the SDNY will have an ongoing investigation which could be compromised by premature release of those details.
The problem, at least politically for Dems, will be 1) they will not have evidence of criminal behavior in the report that is made public 2) the absence of those details will allow Trump et. al. to spin the report as a waste of time and a “witch-hunt” (even though there are likely serious crimes in the full report 3) what will be released will not show outright conspiracy by Trump with Russia in 2016.
Now, there likely will be all kinds of things that make Trump and his administration look like idiots / incompetent in regards to how they handled various issues during the campaign. Of course, there is also the fact that Trump is on tape saying, repeatedly, that no one from his campaign had high level contacts with Russians in 2016–which is absolutely not true. But the problem for Dems is we already know most of those details.
The question is, how well will he Dems be able to spin the details of the report into their advantage politically and can they outspin Trump & his team? That’s a tall order for the Dems. Should be an interesting election cycle.
polls are suggesting the report is changing no one's mind. ALthough that's just polls.
Sam the statistician wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Thanks, brother.
The one you posted just prior was very nice as well.
Circle jerk alert!!!
You forgot to accuse P as a Flagpole alias.