Actually, I'm sorry for cursing about you. I am glad you will vote next year.
this is great:
Actually, I'm sorry for cursing about you. I am glad you will vote next year.
this is great:
For those who think this will change politics... Not in the primaries anyway.
Needless to say this was a big win for Trump with his base. Less voters will abandon him because of this.
agip wrote:
The Fokus wrote:
I'll rephrase it for you if you're too effin stupid to interpret. If the Dems strategy is to investigate Trump and his people to a win in 2020 it is a losing strategy with the conclusion drawn by Mueller. At this point, it appears to be what the Dems intend to do.
it is not a losing strategy for Dems in congress to do their job of oversight. It is nobody's job to give the WH free reign to do whatever it wants without congressional oversight.
But sure there is a line. We'l see if the dems can stay on the correct side of it.
Here is example probably one million that I am reasonable at all times and have 100% integrity 100% of the time (and this is not an attempt to make "everyone right", because that is actually usually not the case, and I don't play that game):
1) The Fokus is correct that IF the strategy of the Democrats is investigate Trump and his associates TO WIN in 2020, that is a losing strategy. That of course is NOT their strategy. They will do that, but that is not their plan to win.
2) Agip is correct that the House Democrats actually HAVE to do this as part of their oversight responsibilities. Trumpers will not see it that way, many independents will not see it that way, and even some unenlightened Democrats will not see it that way.
3) We live in an increasingly short-attention span society. The intellectuals are losing on this front, and the mouth breathers and window lickers are the beneficiaries.
Trollminator wrote:
This. Any findings by Mueller and any continued action by Dems to keep looking isn’t going to cause any Independents or moderates to suddenly like Trump.
They, or rather we, don't have to like Trump.
Flagpole wrote:
1) The Fokus is correct that IF the strategy of the Democrats is investigate Trump and his associates TO WIN in 2020, that is a losing strategy. That of course is NOT their strategy. They will do that, but that is not their plan to win.
It absolutely is a major part of their plan to win. How naive can you be?
agip wrote:
agip wrote:
It's good news that the Trump campaign apparently failed in its attempts to collude. We should be happy about that.
Now it's up to the voters, and 2018 showed us that they are not pleased with Trump.
Although it's not over of course - virtually every organization Trump leads or has led is under investigation, and it's already been proven that Trump is a massive tax cheat.
And Mueller and Barr made sure to make it clear that Trump is not exonerated.
Do you have evidence that an IRS audit team assigned to Trump to show he cheated on taxes? Do tell.
The Fokus wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
1) The Fokus is correct that IF the strategy of the Democrats is investigate Trump and his associates TO WIN in 2020, that is a losing strategy. That of course is NOT their strategy. They will do that, but that is not their plan to win.
It absolutely is a major part of their plan to win. How naive can you be?
it's not impossible that the congressional democrats in charge of WH oversight actually want to do their jobs because it's their responsibility to do so. Not because of some overarching Dem Party strategy.
But sure, they figure if they catch the WH doing bad stuff it will help the Dems. That's just normal - being rewarded for doing a good job.
agip wrote:
The Fokus wrote:
It absolutely is a major part of their plan to win. How naive can you be?
it's not impossible that the congressional democrats in charge of WH oversight actually want to do their jobs because it's their responsibility to do so. Not because of some overarching Dem Party strategy.
But sure, they figure if they catch the WH doing bad stuff it will help the Dems. That's just normal - being rewarded for doing a good job.
So you're agreeing with me by way of explanation.
agip wrote:
The Fokus wrote:
It absolutely is a major part of their plan to win. How naive can you be?
it's not impossible that the congressional democrats in charge of WH oversight actually want to do their jobs because it's their responsibility to do so. Not because of some overarching Dem Party strategy.
But sure, they figure if they catch the WH doing bad stuff it will help the Dems. That's just normal - being rewarded for doing a good job.
CORRECT!
I heard a rumor on this thread that someone was coming and that someone else was done.
Can somebody shed some light on this?
The Fokus wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
1) The Fokus is correct that IF the strategy of the Democrats is investigate Trump and his associates TO WIN in 2020, that is a losing strategy. That of course is NOT their strategy. They will do that, but that is not their plan to win.
It absolutely is a major part of their plan to win. How naive can you be?
You presented it as if that's the only thing or even the biggest thing to win, and I disagree with both of those things. As I said and will do so again, "...that is not their plan to win."
Overplay wrote:
I heard a rumor on this thread that someone was coming and that someone else was done.
Can somebody shed some light on this?
That rumor is TRUE.
Mueller delivering a report is not the end of his influence.
Here's what you seek:
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Boy. Flagpole really screwed this one up.
The Fokus wrote:
agip wrote:
it's not impossible that the congressional democrats in charge of WH oversight actually want to do their jobs because it's their responsibility to do so. Not because of some overarching Dem Party strategy.
But sure, they figure if they catch the WH doing bad stuff it will help the Dems. That's just normal - being rewarded for doing a good job.
So you're agreeing with me by way of explanation.
I think you are too focused on the politics side - you left out the good government aspect of WH oversight/balance of powers.
Flagpole wrote:
The Fokus wrote:
It absolutely is a major part of their plan to win. How naive can you be?
You presented it as if that's the only thing or even the biggest thing to win, and I disagree with both of those things. As I said and will do so again, "...that is not their plan to win."
It was until today and it's still likely a major part of the Dems strategy. However you can't see the forest through the trees anyway so there's little point to debating you.
This is an unmitigated disaster for the Dems and their media boosters and anyone claiming otherwise is lying, especially Clownpole. Trump has practically been handed a second term.
Mueller is done, finito.
http://www.graphic-buffet.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Character_Clown-example.jpg
-pole forever
The Fokus wrote:
Runningart2004 wrote:
Calm down millennial.
Alan. You're an idiot. I'm probably older than you.
Possibly but I’m playing the averages here lol. I’m 41.
Alan
RIP: D3 All-American Frank Csorba - who ran 13:56 in March - dead
RENATO can you talk about the preparation of Emile Cairess 2:06
Rest in Peace Adrian Lehmann - 2:11 Swiss marathoner. Dies of heart attack.
Running for Bowerman Track Club used to be cool now its embarrassing
Hats off to my dad. He just ran a 1:42 Half Marathon and turns 75 in 2 months!
I think Letesenbet Gidey might be trying to break 14 this Saturday