Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

In 2016 I could understand why true independents would support Trump. He wasn’t a politician. He was supposed to be a shrewd businessman and would be able to “make a deal” with both sides to get things done. He was supposed to drain the swamp. Since his election none of that has happened. Since his election he and his campaign and even his business has been under investigation. Many of his campaign officials have plead out or have been found guilty of numerous felonies. Administration officials have either been fired or left at record levels. His biggest campaign promise is under water, his wall will not be built. Now he’s seeking more money for the wall, taking more money from military construction projects, cutting Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security, a proposed budget that will lead to another Trump Shutdown.

So what is the upside for a true independent to vote for Trump in 2020? There are those who voted for Obama in 2008 or 2012 who switched over to Trump in 2016.

So what is the upside for an actual conservative to vote for Trump in 2020 when his trade policies have not supported the traditional Conservative view of “free trade”?

Does Trump think he can win re-election with just the self identified conservative vote? Do you think he can win with just conservatives? Do you think such an unliked candidate can win re-election? Has such an unliked candidate ever won re-election? I’m not talking about his favorability rating. I’m speaking mostly about his unfavorability rating and the wide margin between his favorability and unfavorability rating. An incumbent’s favorability has always been a bit uneasy, usually 45-50% but his unfavorability has also been about the same so the margin is typically no larger than 3% or so. Basically within the margin of error of the polls. This is not so with this president. People either approve or disapprove and there is no middle ground.

I still maintain that it’s all about turnout. If 100% of 30% of the population turn out then of course he wins re-election. That’s an extreme example but you get my point. I believe some voters, maybe 1-3%, were asleep at the wheel in 2016 and simply didn’t turn out for horrendous candidates.

Alan

To prove the two liars wrong:

From May 11, 2018 (less than a year ago) - Flagpole says: "He SHOULD suffer prison time for the crimes we will find out he committed, but I have already said I would be surprised to see him serve any prison time. If I am wrong about anything, it will be that Trump will NOT go to prison. I still think he will avoid prison, but again, on that I could be wrong."

From January 3, 2019 - (not even three months ago) - Flagpole asks: "Fat Hurts, You have said recently that Trump is going to prison. I think that is possible, but I'm not yet willing to make that call as I see too many ways for him to avoid it."

Another from January 3, 2019 - Flagpole intelligently says: "Ok. I am closer and closer every day to believing he will go to prison...just not there yet. Also, I have seen your list of 4 before, and I do agree with it for a true autocrat. I just think there are too many checks and balances on him still for those to be the only outcomes."

From January 9, 2019 - Flagpole says: "Hmm...I am not quite ready to say that Trump will spend time in prison (but getting closer all the time)." AND "I am closer every day to predicting that Trump will spend time in prison, but I am not there yet."

AND FINALLY on January 11, 2019, just barely more than two months ago, Flagpole says this: "After careful consideration, today is the day that I join Fat Hurts in his assertion that "Tiny is going to prison".

It is clear that the SDNY will indict or already has indicted Trump under seal regarding FELONY campaign finance law violation and that he will go to prison when he is out of office. He is in big, big trouble."

So, what have we learned today?

1) Flagpole doesn't lie.

2) You need to base your opinions on FACTS and not FEELINGS.

An apology and your admission that you were wrong is warranted, but I don't need either...only your integrity is on the line. Mine is intact. Is yours?

Now there’s an app for trumper-approved restaurants! Harass Muslims or people of color, get a free side dish! Birds of a feather are bigots together, ha ha...

jesseriley wrote:

Now there’s an app for trumper-approved restaurants! Harass Muslims or people of color, get a free side dish! Birds of a feather are bigots together, ha ha...

There are much more establishmrnts that refuse service to M A G A hat wearers and violence against them. Your side is more intolerant

RE: Official LRC President Donald J Trump Inauguration Thread 4/4/2018 9:05AM - in reply to Flagpole

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I am pleasantly surprised today to not see any of you Trumpers declaring victory on the news that Mueller has told Trump's lawyers that he is not a target of the investigation right now. So, good show there Trumpers.

In that same Washington Post story, it has been confirmed now that Trump IS though a subject of Mueller's criminal investigation.

So...

Target is the worst thing to be. Means charges are likely due to information

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already received.

Subject is next worst. Means reason to believe you might have done something criminal and that you are under criminal investigation.

Not sure why Mueller would let the Trump team know where he is right now. Perhaps trying to make him feel comfortable giving an interview.

This is actually not good news for Trump. At one point he was not personally under investigation. Now, it has been confirmed that he is.

This is Funny! April 4th last year and he's still grasping for straws:). Flagpole needs a rest.

blah, blah, blah! you were already called out on lying about saying Trump had zero chance of being re-elected. You then waffled as everyone knew you would, no outright "I was wrong", always with a caveat;).

You lie and no one will ever apologize to a liar.

I did not lie. I have already proven that (earlier) to not be the case. Sorry, brother, but I have not lied...not about that and not about the thing I just one again proved them wrong about.

I do not lie...ever. I have 100% integrity 100% of the time.

Again, while an apology and an admission that they were wrong is warranted, I do not need either. Only those with integrity would offer those things, so they get to decide if they have integrity or not.

Mueller is coming.

The clown is done.

Also, I admit I am wrong about something whenever I am. I don't always use this word, but often when I admit to being wrong about something I will use the word "unreservedly".

You can do a search for "unreservedly" and find a large number of times I have admitted to being wrong, and again, those aren't the only times I have admitted to being wrong. As I have been using this user name for a long time and I have 100% integrity 100% of the time, I submit that I have admitted to being wrong more than anyone here.

Go do the search...you will see that what I say is true (because again, I do not lie).

Mueller is coming.

The clown is done.

we have it wrote:

Rigged for Hillary wrote:

And there we have it, Flagpole is a serial liar.

And there we have it, TRUMP is a serial liar.

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Both are true.

we have it wrote:

Rigged for Hillary wrote:

And there we have it, CLINTON is a serial liar.

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agree with you brother

Gortat wrote:

we have it wrote:

FIXED

Both are true.

yes sir!

It's all coming, brother. Trump is clearly a target now and not just a subject as he was last April. It has only gotten worse for him since then.

You understand that investigations aren't magic, right? You understand that these things take time, right? The real world isn't Netflilx. You can't binge watch an investigation and get to the end.

I AM right about Trump and Mueller, and eventually I will be PROVEN right.

Mueller is coming.

The clown is done.

jesseriley wrote:

Now there’s an app for Clinton-approved restaurants! Harass Muslims or people of color, get a free side dish! Birds of a feather are bigots together, ha ha...

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agree that both Clinton and jesseriley are huge racists!

Ha! You spent Sunday on this thread looking up when the first time you posted that Trump was going to prison??????

How insecure can a person be? Wow! So desperate to be proven right that you'll waste hours trying to find an "out" to look right. You really need help dude!

Refuse service to trumpers? Beats psychos killing 50 at a mosque.

Flagpole is telling the truth. For quite awhile he argued that Individual-1 would avoid jail time. It was probably a couple of months ago that he joined me on the "he's going to prison" train.

Fellow Lib helping out a brother wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

It's all coming, brother. Trump is clearly a target now and not just a subject as he was last April. It has only gotten worse for him since then.

You understand that investigations aren't magic, right? You understand that these things take time, right? The real world isn't Netflilx. You can't binge watch an investigation and get to the end.

I AM right about Trump and Mueller, and eventually I will be PROVEN right.

Mueller is coming.

The clown is done.

Ha! You spent Sunday on this thread looking up when the first time you posted that Trump was going to prison??????

How insecure can a person be? Wow! So desperate to be proven right that you'll waste hours trying to find an "out" to look right. You really need help dude!

1) Took me all of 10 minutes max to find that stuff. You know, you can search this site in a variety of ways. I knew what I said that day that I came to the conclusion that Trump was going to prison, so it was pretty easy to find.

2) I am not desperate for anything.

3) Not finding an "out" to "look right". I was accused of being a liar, and I clearly wasn't and I proved so.

4) I am multitasking. Currently listening to some news, playing an "Idle" game on Kongregate, paying some bills online, and exposing liars. The Lovely Mrs. Flagpole is making a grocery list, and we will be grocery shopping soon.

5) Don't defend the liars and those with no integrity, brother...and NO, I am in neither group.

Mueller is coming.

The clown is done.

Fat hurts wrote:

Flagpole the Liar wrote:

Number 5. Liar. You did not just recently decide TRUMP will spend time in prison. Your posts from over a year ago prove that wrong. Not worth supplying the proof, you will simply use your typical fallback, I was trolling. Liar.

Flagpole is telling the truth. For quite awhile he argued that Individual-1 would avoid jail time. It was probably a couple of months ago that he joined me on the "he's going to prison" train.

You are CORRECT! In fact, if you read further you will see that I already found the exact day, and it was just a little more than a couple of months ago (less than three months ago).

And also, OF COURSE the only ones with integrity here are those who do not support or defend Donald Trump.

I do not lie...ever.

Mueller is coming.

The clown is done.

Rigged for Hillary wrote:

jesseriley wrote:

Now there’s an app for trumper-approved restaurants! Harass Muslims or people of color, get a free side dish! Birds of a feather are bigots together, ha ha...

There are much more establishmrnts that refuse service to M A G A hat wearers and violence against them. Your side is more intolerant

I’m unclear on your meaning. The establishments refuse violence, or is violence a verb? The establishments violence the hat wearers?