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5 years ago 03/11/2019 9:19am EDT

re: LLLLL

A couple things....

1. I'll never understand why poor people or lower middle class vote Republican. When push comes to shove they generally want to cut entitlement spending. SNAP, Sec 8, SS, Medicare, Medicaid, WIC, and a bunch of other programs that usually benefit the lower middle class and the poor. Other than "God, Guns, and FEAR!!" (SOCIALISM!!!!!! >>:)) what is the motivation? My grandfather said it best...."The Republican Party has never done sh!t for poor people". So I wonder where this 5% cut Trump wants is going to come from and how it will affect government services that people depend on? Stop b!tching about long lines at the (insert government office here) when you elect a candidate that cuts these services.

2. Let's play a game.....Mueller finds nothing connecting Trump to anything to do with Russia. That still doesn't explain:

a) What was Flynn lying about and why did Trump fire him? Why was Flynn lying? Did Trump think firing Flynn would make the Russia thing go away as Christie has said?

b) Why was Comey fired and why the initial lie about it?

c) Why the initial lie about the "hush money"?

d) Why are all of these Trump associates lying about Russian connections and getting in trouble for it?

e) Why the initial lie about the Trump Tower Meeting?

f) Why the initial lie about the Moscow Tower Project?

Why? Why? Why? If you can respond intelligently then do so. If all you got is CLINTON!!! go away...I didn't vote her. If all you got is OBAMA!!! go away....that has nothing to do with the price of tea in China.

I maintain that all long Trump and Company are simply using the campaign and presidency to line their pocket books. They really could have cared less about winning the election, that was secondary to furthering the financial gains and brand of TRUMP. The bread crumbs are there.

Alan

5 years ago 03/11/2019 9:26am EDT

re: L L

”Individual-1 KNOWINGLY chose a foreign agent as our national security advisor.” – Fat hurts

5 years ago 03/11/2019 9:31am EDT

re: Runningart2004

Runningart2004 wrote:
A couple things....
1. I'll never understand why poor people or lower middle class vote Republican. When push comes to shove they generally want to cut entitlement spending. SNAP, Sec 8, SS, Medicare, Medicaid, WIC, and a bunch of other programs that usually benefit the lower middle class and the poor. Other than "God, Guns, and FEAR!!" (SOCIALISM!!!!!! >>:)) what is the motivation? My grandfather said it best...."The Republican Party has never done sh!t for poor people". So I wonder where this 5% cut Trump wants is going to come from and how it will affect government services that people depend on? Stop b!tching about long lines at the (insert government office here) when you elect a candidate that cuts these services.
2. Let's play a game.....Mueller finds nothing connecting Trump to anything to do with Russia. That still doesn't explain:
a) What was Flynn lying about and why did Trump fire him? Why was Flynn lying? Did Trump think firing Flynn would make the Russia thing go away as Christie has said?
b) Why was Comey fired and why the initial lie about it?
c) Why the initial lie about the "hush money"?
d) Why are all of these Trump associates lying about Russian connections and getting in trouble for it?
e) Why the initial lie about the Trump Tower Meeting?
f) Why the initial lie about the Moscow Tower Project?
Why? Why? Why? If you can respond intelligently then do so. If all you got is CLINTON!!! go away...I didn't vote her. If all you got is OBAMA!!! go away....that has nothing to do with the price of tea in China.
I maintain that all long Trump and Company are simply using the campaign and presidency to line their pocket books. They really could have cared less about winning the election, that was secondary to furthering the financial gains and brand of TRUMP. The bread crumbs are there.
Alan

Sure it does. If Obama did the same things and people had many questions about him, why did he not get the pressure Trump is getting? Because of Obama's Race? Because Obama was a Democrat? If they aren't fair questions, then why are yours?

Did you not see Obama tell Putin "Once the election is over I'll have more leverage". It's on video and easy to find, just one example. Where the hell were you then? What the hell does that mean and why would he say it? Those things never bothered liberals whether you voted for Clinton or not is irrelevant, I don't give a sh*t!

The questions that you have are questions that can be said about most Presidents, you just don't like him but you liked Obama.

The price of tea in China? Who gives a crap? Apples to Apples, President to President, not just the way YOU want it.

You can maintain your Trump and Company theory all you want, it's just a theory. The breadcrumbs aren't there, just in your green park. I maintain that Hillary did the same thing as a Senator and both Bill Clinton and Obama did as Presidents, so what?

5 years ago 03/11/2019 9:32am EDT

re: 1100

1100 wrote:
”Individual-1 KNOWINGLY chose a foreign agent as our national security advisor.” – Fat hurts

I'm fat hurts, so I love to quote my pathetic thoughts.

5 years ago 03/11/2019 9:33am EDT

re: @Drawandstrike

@Drawandstrike wrote:
Over the next several weeks, you're going to watch DNC Media struggling to spin, explain away, bury, ignore or outrightly deny and refuse to accept that after a 2 year exhaustive investigation, the Mueller Special Counsel found no evidence of Trump campaign/Russia collusion
All their histrionics won't change a single thing. Mueller didn't find what he didn't find.
Now just as they make the segue to ginning up hysteria over the House investigations by Democrats in Congress, Trump's counter-assault is going to begin.
While Adam Schitt, Jerold Nadler and others are over there wildly waving their empty clenched fists and claiming they have MOUNTAINS OF EVIDENCE proving Trump crimes, vainly trying to hold the public's attention....
nobody is going to be paying any attention to them.
Trump had to wait until Mueller showed his results. All the drama you are seeing about Mueller's results being HIDDEN from the public are nonsense. Trump and his administration WANT that report released to demonstrate there was no Russia collusion or any other Trump crimes.
What's the BIGGEST, LOUDEST talking point the Democrats & DNC Media & Never Trump would've had if Trump DIDN'T wait until Mueller was finished to launch his counter-offensive against the SpyGate plotters & the Clinton Machine?
"Trump is interfering with and obstructing the Mueller Special Counsel and he's only going after these people to STOP THE EVIDENCE OF HIS COLLUSION WITH RUSSIA and his other crimes from being found and made public!"
They have LOST that talking point.
Lost if FOREVER.
Lost it FOREVER.
THAT is why Trump waited. NOBODY is going to be able to say with a straight face Trump's going after the people who were exposing his Russian collusion.
That talking point narrative is now deader than Elvis.
Mueller looked high Mueller looked low. Mueller looked near. Mueller looked far.
You know he tried. He and his team of 12 Angry Democrats...they tried, folks.
THEY TRIED SO HARD.
You know they did.
And now DNC Media, Democrats and Never Trumpers are trapped.
They just spent TWO YEARS claiming Mueller had the goods.
Stupid people, of course, see no reckoning at all coming for the DNC Media and the Democrats.
Why, they'll just deny everything and sail serenely onward!
BULLSHIT.
BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT.
Because now Trump is going to start COUNTER ATTACKING in earnest.
He held his fire for TWO YEARS just waiting for this moment.
Trump will FORCE the reckoning on them.
They will not be able to avoid it.
When the indictments of SpyGate plotters are unsealed, they HAVE to cover it, they HAVE to talk about it.
"Well Trump's only had McCabe/Comey/Simpson/Steele/Clapper/Brennan/Whoever indicted cuz hey, that person was going to help expose his Russian collusion!" is a dead talking point.
For 2 years DNC Media, Democrats & Never Trump spun hand-waving bullshit based on fake news leaks "Mueller's got the goods on Trump now, folks! It's all over for Trump! Here Comes Mueller! It's Mueller Time soon!"
There never was ANY evidence of Trump/Russia collusion. None.
Guess what? Trump's counter assault now that Mueller's closing shop having found no Russia collusion is NOT - I REPEAT - NOT - GOING TO BE BASED ON HAND WAVING BULLSHIT.
The evidence for SpyGate has been meticulously collected by serious people.
They have it all.
HOROWITZ & HUBER didn't spend the last two years leaking bullshit fake news to ANYBODY.
They spent those two years quietly, exhaustively and meticulously collecting EVIDENCE.
Do you understand the difference?
They took their best shot at Trump, all they had was bullshit hand waving fake news leaks that strung people along for two years before the truth finally comes out when Mueller releases that final report.
Now it'll be Trump's turn, and his people will be presenting EVIDENCE.
OFFICIAL DOJ REPORTS and OFFICIAL DOJ INDICTMENTS will lay out the evidence Horowitz & Huber have been collecting.
These won't be breathless fake news scoops in the NYT's or the Washington Post or Buzzfeed that fall apart after a few days.
And you can quote me on that.
ADDENDUM: "Well the DNC Media will just IGNORE Trump's counter assault!" I'm being told in comments in response to this thread.
Great!
Even if they COULD DO THAT [and I'm not admitting they can] explain HOW THAT STOPS TRUMP & HOROWITZ AND HUBER from doing anything.
Go!
Again people are making the same dumb mistake of thinking this is a PUBLIC RELATIONS battle.
It's not.
James Comey waving a copy of Time Magazine's glowing portrayal of him is not going to save him.
He can chant "BUT THE MEDIA SAYS I'M A SAINT!" all the way to prison.

1) Dude, "the DNC media?" Really? MOST of what you would call that isn't suggesting there will be proof of conspiracy at all. Don Lemon and Chris Cuomo at CNN actively say they DON'T believe there will be enough to impeach and remove Trump. I don't know off the top of my head ONE media person who has said that will happen for sure. Covering the investigation doesn't mean they believe it will go against Trump. A couple over on MSNBC (Rachel Maddow, who I try very hard not to watch, and Lawrence O'Donnell, definitely push the edge there).

2) DEMOCRATS have said there is ample evidence (like you said) of collusion and other things. You can have issue with them if you like, but not the MSM.

3) I think you had a big ol' dose of wishful thinking if you believe Mueller doesn't have anything. All the financial stuff he has pawned off to other offices/agencies, the obstruction of justice that will come down hard. Conspiracy is going to bite the campaign for sure, and I still believe Trump will be ensnared, but Don Jr. and Kushner will be indicted for conspiracy, and Manafort is likely going to have time added.

4) If Trump is innocent of the core parts of the investigation, then why has he obstructed justice so openly and frequently? If he truly is innocent of collusion, then he is an even bigger dummy that I thought, because he has put himself in serious legal jeopardy with the obstruction and witness tampering. And you think he did that over nothing? Interesting.

5) As I am a rule of law person, if any Democrat or former government employee did something illegal with regard to this investigation, then they should be punished. Any such charges or convictions are not a victory against me. I'm for locking up all the criminals, no matter their party designation. You should have that same attitude which you clearly don't.

Mueller is coming.

The clown is done.

5 years ago 03/11/2019 9:47am EDT

re: agip the dip

agip the dip wrote:
Runningart2004 wrote:
A couple things....
1. I'll never understand why poor people or lower middle class vote Republican. When push comes to shove they generally want to cut entitlement spending. SNAP, Sec 8, SS, Medicare, Medicaid, WIC, and a bunch of other programs that usually benefit the lower middle class and the poor. Other than "God, Guns, and FEAR!!" (SOCIALISM!!!!!! >>:)) what is the motivation? My grandfather said it best...."The Republican Party has never done sh!t for poor people". So I wonder where this 5% cut Trump wants is going to come from and how it will affect government services that people depend on? Stop b!tching about long lines at the (insert government office here) when you elect a candidate that cuts these services.
2. Let's play a game.....Mueller finds nothing connecting Trump to anything to do with Russia. That still doesn't explain:
a) What was Flynn lying about and why did Trump fire him? Why was Flynn lying? Did Trump think firing Flynn would make the Russia thing go away as Christie has said?
b) Why was Comey fired and why the initial lie about it?
c) Why the initial lie about the "hush money"?
d) Why are all of these Trump associates lying about Russian connections and getting in trouble for it?
e) Why the initial lie about the Trump Tower Meeting?
f) Why the initial lie about the Moscow Tower Project?
Why? Why? Why? If you can respond intelligently then do so. If all you got is CLINTON!!! go away...I didn't vote her. If all you got is OBAMA!!! go away....that has nothing to do with the price of tea in China.
I maintain that all long Trump and Company are simply using the campaign and presidency to line their pocket books. They really could have cared less about winning the election, that was secondary to furthering the financial gains and brand of TRUMP. The bread crumbs are there.
Alan
Sure it does. If Obama did the same things and people had many questions about him, why did he not get the pressure Trump is getting? Because of Obama's Race? Because Obama was a Democrat? If they aren't fair questions, then why are yours?
Did you not see Obama tell Putin "Once the election is over I'll have more leverage". It's on video and easy to find, just one example. Where the hell were you then? What the hell does that mean and why would he say it? Those things never bothered liberals whether you voted for Clinton or not is irrelevant, I don't give a sh*t!
The questions that you have are questions that can be said about most Presidents, you just don't like him but you liked Obama.
The price of tea in China? Who gives a crap? Apples to Apples, President to President, not just the way YOU want it.
You can maintain your Trump and Company theory all you want, it's just a theory. The breadcrumbs aren't there, just in your green park. I maintain that Hillary did the same thing as a Senator and both Bill Clinton and Obama did as Presidents, so what?

Fair rebuttal sir! But don't hold your breath for a response, Democrats like the saying "Do as I say, not as I do". Not one Democrat on this thread will respond with intellect, they can't. Here come the excuses, 3, 2, 1, ...

5 years ago 03/11/2019 10:06am EDT

re: Clownpolin'

Clownpolin' wrote:
Has no one pointed out that Clownpole, L L, Trollminator, nontrumper, etc. were getting all excited last week because John Brennan said he expected more indictments on Friday, and nothing happened?
Smells like yet another FLAGPOLE to me. I'll add it to the list of flops.
Nothing seems to be working out for you guys these last few years. Must suck.

Grasping, brother. I said only that Friday "MIGHT be interesting." Hardly getting excited about anything. Try again

5 years ago 03/11/2019 11:15am EDT

re: agip the dip

agip the dip wrote:
Runningart2004 wrote:
A couple things....
1. I'll never understand why poor people or lower middle class vote Republican. When push comes to shove they generally want to cut entitlement spending. SNAP, Sec 8, SS, Medicare, Medicaid, WIC, and a bunch of other programs that usually benefit the lower middle class and the poor. Other than "God, Guns, and FEAR!!" (SOCIALISM!!!!!! >>:)) what is the motivation? My grandfather said it best...."The Republican Party has never done sh!t for poor people". So I wonder where this 5% cut Trump wants is going to come from and how it will affect government services that people depend on? Stop b!tching about long lines at the (insert government office here) when you elect a candidate that cuts these services.
2. Let's play a game.....Mueller finds nothing connecting Trump to anything to do with Russia. That still doesn't explain:
a) What was Flynn lying about and why did Trump fire him? Why was Flynn lying? Did Trump think firing Flynn would make the Russia thing go away as Christie has said?
b) Why was Comey fired and why the initial lie about it?
c) Why the initial lie about the "hush money"?
d) Why are all of these Trump associates lying about Russian connections and getting in trouble for it?
e) Why the initial lie about the Trump Tower Meeting?
f) Why the initial lie about the Moscow Tower Project?
Why? Why? Why? If you can respond intelligently then do so. If all you got is CLINTON!!! go away...I didn't vote her. If all you got is OBAMA!!! go away....that has nothing to do with the price of tea in China.
I maintain that all long Trump and Company are simply using the campaign and presidency to line their pocket books. They really could have cared less about winning the election, that was secondary to furthering the financial gains and brand of TRUMP. The bread crumbs are there.
Alan
Sure it does. If Obama did the same things and people had many questions about him, why did he not get the pressure Trump is getting? Because of Obama's Race? Because Obama was a Democrat? If they aren't fair questions, then why are yours?
Did you not see Obama tell Putin "Once the election is over I'll have more leverage". It's on video and easy to find, just one example. Where the hell were you then? What the hell does that mean and why would he say it? Those things never bothered liberals whether you voted for Clinton or not is irrelevant, I don't give a sh*t!
The questions that you have are questions that can be said about most Presidents, you just don't like him but you liked Obama.
The price of tea in China? Who gives a crap? Apples to Apples, President to President, not just the way YOU want it.
You can maintain your Trump and Company theory all you want, it's just a theory. The breadcrumbs aren't there, just in your green park. I maintain that Hillary did the same thing as a Senator and both Bill Clinton and Obama did as Presidents, so what?

1. Did the Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, or Ford campaign have this many associates indicted or plead to felonies? The answer would be no.

2. Did the Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, or Ford administration have this much turnover in key positions? The answer would be no.

This has been said before...pointing out the ills of other administrations doesn't make the ills of the current administration OK.

Reagan knew about Iran-Contra and should have been impeached. Clinton lied and should have been impeached. Bush, Jr and his entire administration sold us a pile of crap and led us into a unnecessary war in Iraq that resulted in thousands of dead US soldiers. None of that has any bearing on whether or not the current administration is a pile of feces.

What else?

Alan

5 years ago 03/11/2019 11:22am EDT

re: L L

L L wrote:
Since a Democrat is almost certain to win the presidency in 2020, I want the Democrat nominee to be way, way left and liberal.
I'm looking for someone to the left of Bernie Sanders and a young woman with some ethnicity.
If only AOC was 35.

So Flagpolian. Not gonna happen.

FAIL

5 years ago 03/11/2019 11:25am EDT

re: Runningart2004

Donald Trump built a worldwide massive empire from nothing. He has Trump megahotels all over the world. His Coney Island properties are legendary. He has world-class resorts all over the world. You Liberals have your panties in a bunch because you are so jealous of what he has accomplished and you don't have the money needed to join clubs like Mar-a-lago. You could never afford a residence at the Trump Tower. You are paupers who resent Trump for his fabulous wealth. Read his bestseller The Art of the Deal and maybe you will learn something about doing something with your pathetic lives. But I already know you won't take the time to read it. You will instead spend all your time, like the pathetic Flagpole (who names himself that stupid name?) on here posting stupid stuff all fricing day long. You are pathetic losers. Flagpole claims to own a business. Who can run a business spending all fricking day on here? He is a fraud. A charlatan . He owns no business. He probably just spends all day at home while his wife brings home the bacon. Just pathetic.

5 years ago 03/11/2019 11:30am EDT

re: Viva la vida loca

Viva la vida loca wrote:
Donald Trump built a worldwide massive empire from nothing. He has Trump megahotels all over the world. His Coney Island properties are legendary. He has world-class resorts all over the world. You Liberals have your panties in a bunch because you are so jealous of what he has accomplished and you don't have the money needed to join clubs like Mar-a-lago. You could never afford a residence at the Trump Tower. You are paupers who resent Trump for his fabulous wealth. Read his bestseller The Art of the Deal and maybe you will learn something about doing something with your pathetic lives. But I already know you won't take the time to read it. You will instead spend all your time, like the pathetic Flagpole (who names himself that stupid name?) on here posting stupid stuff all fricing day long. You are pathetic losers. Flagpole claims to own a business. Who can run a business spending all fricking day on here? He is a fraud. A charlatan . He owns no business. He probably just spends all day at home while his wife brings home the bacon. Just pathetic.

Wait I thought the liberals were the rich globalists - educated elitists and the Trumpers were the poor taken advantage people of America.

Straighten that out for me, willya?

5 years ago 03/11/2019 11:37am EDT

re: agip

agip wrote:
Viva la vida loca wrote:
Donald Trump built a worldwide massive empire from nothing. He has Trump megahotels all over the world. His Coney Island properties are legendary. He has world-class resorts all over the world. You Liberals have your panties in a bunch because you are so jealous of what he has accomplished and you don't have the money needed to join clubs like Mar-a-lago. You could never afford a residence at the Trump Tower. You are paupers who resent Trump for his fabulous wealth. Read his bestseller The Art of the Deal and maybe you will learn something about doing something with your pathetic lives. But I already know you won't take the time to read it. You will instead spend all your time, like the pathetic Flagpole (who names himself that stupid name?) on here posting stupid stuff all fricing day long. You are pathetic losers. Flagpole claims to own a business. Who can run a business spending all fricking day on here? He is a fraud. A charlatan . He owns no business. He probably just spends all day at home while his wife brings home the bacon. Just pathetic.
Wait I thought the liberals were the rich globalists - educated elitists and the Trumpers were the poor taken advantage people of America.
Straighten that out for me, willya?

Trumpers are not for the poor, at least explicitly. They are against socialism and against tax policies that favor the non-working. They want the hard-workers to not have to pay taxes to support the lazy non-workers. AOC want those who don't want to work to be supported by those who work their assses off every fricking day. They are against socialism which all throughout history has benefitted those at the top at the expense of those at the middle and at the bottom.

5 years ago 03/11/2019 11:47am EDT

re: Viva la vida loca

Viva la vida loca wrote:
You Liberals have your panties in a bunch....

This is how a Trumper solves their panties in a bunch pains. Take their pants off in public.

True story.

https://www.facebook.com/dioncini/videos/10157860267159587/

5 years ago 03/11/2019 11:56am EDT

re: pants off

pants off wrote:
Viva la vida loca wrote:
You Liberals have your panties in a bunch....
This is how a Trumper solves their panties in a bunch pains. Take their pants off in public.
True story.
https://www.facebook.com/dioncini/videos/10157860267159587/

Should be "...solves his or her panties in a bunch."

5 years ago 03/11/2019 11:57am EDT

re: Viva la vida loca

Viva la vida loca wrote:
agip wrote:
Wait I thought the liberals were the rich globalists - educated elitists and the Trumpers were the poor taken advantage people of America.
Straighten that out for me, willya?
Trumpers are not for the poor, at least explicitly. They are against socialism and against tax policies that favor the non-working. They want the hard-workers to not have to pay taxes to support the lazy non-workers. AOC want those who don't want to work to be supported by those who work their assses off every fricking day. They are against socialism which all throughout history has benefitted those at the top at the expense of those at the middle and at the bottom.

ok, so trumpers are against bailing out farmers after they took huge losses because of tariffs. Because socialism.

so trumpers are against trump?

Help me out here.

5 years ago 03/11/2019 11:58am EDT

re: agip

agip wrote:
Viva la vida loca wrote:
Trumpers are not for the poor, at least explicitly. They are against socialism and against tax policies that favor the non-working. They want the hard-workers to not have to pay taxes to support the lazy non-workers. AOC want those who don't want to work to be supported by those who work their assses off every fricking day. They are against socialism which all throughout history has benefitted those at the top at the expense of those at the middle and at the bottom.
ok, so trumpers are against bailing out farmers after they took huge losses because of tariffs. Because socialism.
so trumpers are against trump?
Help me out here.

and trumpers are against the government favoring the coal industry, right?

5 years ago 03/11/2019 12:00pm EDT

re: agip

for reasonable people, here's a good article about buttigieg.

he'll never win, but in a better world, he'd be a favorite.

he's an obama-style pragmatist, with a feel for the middle class.

He's probably the guy closest to my position right now.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/03/11/get-ready-buttigieg/?utm_term=.831c4cbc50b7

5 years ago 03/11/2019 12:06pm EDT

re: Sally Vix

Sally Vix wrote:
pants off wrote:
This is how a Trumper solves their panties in a bunch pains. Take their pants off in public.
True story.
https://www.facebook.com/dioncini/videos/10157860267159587/
Should be "...solves his or her panties in a bunch."

Nope. Their covers, his, her and other. You failed to cover all gender types.

5 years ago 03/11/2019 12:07pm EDT

re: agip

agip wrote:
for moronic people, here's a good article about buttigieg.
he'll never win, but in a better world, he'd be a favorite.
he's an ****Obama style con man and race baiter who's for himself.
He's probably the guy closest to my position right now.
We are all glad to know about your position. Thanks for sharing. Fixed line 3 for ya. You're welcome.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/03/11/get-ready-buttigieg/?utm_term=.831c4cbc50b7

5 years ago 03/11/2019 12:10pm EDT

re: agip

agip wrote:
agip wrote:
ok, so trumpers are against bailing out farmers after they took huge losses because of tariffs. Because socialism.
so trumpers are against trump?
Help me out here.
and trumpers are against the government favoring the coal industry, right?

And Trumpers are against Trump's plan to campaign for 2029 only in states that voted for him in 2016. That is a really focused socialist agenda if ever there was one.

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