Silliest of Willies wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
What do you mean Trump had nothing to lose???? Of course he did. He lost a lot of credibility, many expected him to get something done and he failed. The POTUS usually starts from a position of advantage by default, so his mere presence is a bargaining chip. Kim on the other hand has been begging for some attention and recognition since he took power. Trump gave that to him for free, that is poor negotiation. In return, Kim wrote him love letters to stroke his ego and as we all know Trump “fell in love with him”. He got duped into going back for another meeting that Kim knew would lead to nothing. Kim wins because again he brought the world’s most powerful person to the table. Is any of that registering to you?
Here's why talks stopped (see below). Kim wanted sanctions lifted in their entirety, because they obviously are crippling to his country. He's hurting, NK is hurting. He asked for something, and didn't get it from Trump. The US will realize zero negative impact. NK continues to have heavy sanctions applied.
Yet, you somehow turn it into a "win" for Kim. Simply brilliant.
"“It was all about the sanctions,” Trump said at a news conference after the talks were cut short. “Basically, they wanted the sanctions lifted in their entirety, and we couldn’t do that.”
The United Nations and the United States ratcheted up sanctions on North Korea when the reclusive state undertook a series of nuclear and ballistic missile tests in 2017, cutting off its main sources hard cash.
Trump and Kim cut short their talks, skipping a planned working lunch at the French-colonial-era Metropole hotel after a morning of meetings."
Ok first please just post from same handle, it is lame that you do this. Second, again, you don’t go into a meeting with such high expectations without knowing the other side is willing to play ball first. That is not effective negotiation. Negotiations are happening way beyond their face to face meetings. By the time two parties actually sit to talk a lot should have already been agreed and there should be clear room to move forward. Where was Pompeo in all of this? They had their first summit with some takeaways. We shouldn’t have ever agreed to meet again until we got some level of assurance they would play ball. That’s what trump promised to deliver after first summit. He failed and lost credibility. It is known that sanctions on NK have been so harsh for so long that anything new has had a marginal effect if any. We all know that those sanctions are continuously breached anyway, so the recent ones are symbolic at best. I believe Obama imposed some too, also mostly symbolic. NK dictstorship has survived all along, there is no question they will keep surviving. Do they want handouts and a relief from sanctions? Sure, but they are not going to give up their nukes.
Kim’s latest move shows he knows what he is doing. He’s starting from a position of high demands knowing Trump has put himself under pressure to deliver. If that weren’t true, he would have never dared to have asked for full lifting of sanctions. Next move between the two, and mark my words, is that Kim will “settle” for a trade between reduced nukes and reduced sanctions, and he will not allow anyone to verify the nuke reductions. That’s called winning.