Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Sally Vix wrote:

Flagpole,

I am neither stupid nor racist. But I support Trump only as an adversary to those on the Democratic side likely to run against him. I think Trump as a person is reprehensible, but his policies overall have benefited the country. Trump versus AOC? Trump all the way. Against Bernie too. Socialism would ruin this country. If the Democrats did offer up a more moderate like Biden, I would be open to listening to what he may offer. Again, Trump is a vile man but his policies have been good for the country.

I haven't heard of too many of Trump's supporters acknowledge that he is a horrible person. Would you vote for someone like Kasich in a primary?

Of course I would. I am not actually a Trump supporter but a "reluctant" supporter considering the alternatives. His policies have been good for the country but he is a vile man. If Kasich was a viable candidate (and I am not sure he is) I would support him all day long.

Ha ha, we know he’s horrible because his friends keep telling us (from jail).

Green Deal wrote:

WTF^n wrote:

So, the Green New Deal consists of:

- Medicare for all

- Gov't control over pharm manuf + pricing

- Phased infrastructure plan

- Green New Deal

Who GNU? ;-)

Reading comprehension is not one of your skills. Hint: learn what a comma means.

Seriously, who GNU?

Don't feel bad that your logic and language skills are inadequate. Perhaps other parts of your existence are not so inadequate. ;-)

_its_baddude wrote:

prove it or you are as good as Alex Jones.

In all wars there are winners and looser. When talking about Trump's policies remember he wants to bring back jobs to the US. He makes the case we make terrible trade deals.

He does? I'd be happy to see some evidence of this. All I have ever seen is Trump proclaiming that these are "terrible trade deals". I have never seen him "make the case" that they are terrible trade deals.

Please provide evidence. Again, I would be very happy to see it.

Sally Vix wrote:

Flagpole,

I am neither stupid nor racist. But I support Trump only as an adversary to those on the Democratic side likely to run against him. I think Trump as a person is reprehensible, but his policies overall have benefited the country. Trump versus AOC? Trump all the way. Against Bernie too. Socialism would ruin this country. If the Democrats did offer up a more moderate like Biden, I would be open to listening to what he may offer. Again, Trump is a vile man but his policies have been good for the country.

1) No one is going to run as a "Socialist". Bernie and AOC identify as "Democratic Socialists". There is a difference.

2) The policy that he kisses the ass of the NRA and then offhandedly say there should be some new age restrictions on guns which puts the NRA in a tizzy? The policy that says that there there are fine people among the white supremacy crowd? The policy where he said again and again that Mexico will pay for the wall but then reneged? The policy where he said Hillary will be put in prison and then that doesn't happen? The policy where he said he will repeal and replace Obamacare and then can't get that done even with both houses in Republican control? The policy where he shut the government down after a bipartisan agreement not to because some right-wing talking heads told him to? The policy where he consistently attacks the First Amendment? The policy where he takes the word of murderous dictators over our own intelligence agencies? The policy when he took credit for the stock market while it is going up and then blamed Democrats when it goes down? The policy where he committed felony campaign finance violations? The policy where he lies to you with almost every breath? The policy where he instituted a tax cut for the wealthy in times of bounty so that when we might actually NEED this kind of stimulus in the future we likely won't be able to (for the record, George W. Bush did this the right way)? The policy where he doesn't understand energy enough to know that coal mining jobs aren't coming back? The policy where he said he wouldn't have time to play golf but not only does so more than any other President but also takes an inordinate amount of "executive time" which is short for "free time" which consists mostly of watching cable news? The policy that he knows next to nothing about the world to the point that he pronounces Nepal and Bhutan as "nipple" and "button"? The policy that he lies to you on all things both big and small? The policy he has that it appears everyone he hires has to be a criminal or at least unethical to the point they need to resign? The policy he has where he has dozens of important jobs, especially in the state department, that remain unfilled? The policy where he said we have defeated ISIS? The policy where he lied to the faces of military members saying they just got a 10% raise?

If we're going to go with what is typically seen as policy, you would be for lower taxes on the wealthy, lifting of restrictions on pollution, putting kids in cages, not allowing those seeking LEGAL asylum the chance to do that as prescribed by the United Nations, wanting to pull out of NATO which is a Russian talking point, and putting a wall on the southern border while our northern border remains un walled.

You haven't given me reason to believe you are racist, but since you believe in him...in ANYTHING he says, even if you like something he has actually done, you are stupid. A smart person simply would not support someone who is a serial liar to the level that Trump is. Admitting that he is a vile man does not shelter you from that.

Sally Vix wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

The president is responsible for what happens at his company.

There is evidence that the Trump Organization knew the documents were forged and even helped them in that regard. It's just one more way they can go after Individual-1 and send him to prison.

The president of a company may be liable for what happens at his company but is he always responsible? If a rogue employee acting as an agent for the company (say a VP al la Fastow at Enron) commits crimes (though Skilling and Lay did as well) is the president responsible for his crimes or just liable for his crimes?

The Trump Organization is basically a family company. The top executives are his children and him. He has been described as a micromanager where nothing gets done without his say so or knowledge. It may be impossible to prove he knew of the illegal hiring practices, but it is illogical to believe he didn't know. He is a criminal and has the mind of a criminal. Why WOULDN'T he hire illegals so he could pay them less or work them harder?

Sally Vix wrote:

Flagpole,

I am neither stupid nor racist. But I support Trump only as an adversary to those on the Democratic side likely to run against him. I think Trump as a person is reprehensible, but his policies overall have benefited the country. Trump versus AOC? Trump all the way. Against Bernie too. Socialism would ruin this country. If the Democrats did offer up a more moderate like Biden, I would be open to listening to what he may offer. Again, Trump is a vile man but his policies have been good for the country.

I must say that I appreciate your response. I do not agree with you on most things (and I do not agree with you that Trump is the lesser of two evils). But I can see where you are coming from. And it clearly has nothing to do with Flagpole's "stupid or racist" nonsense.

Flagpole - every one here has hired illegals and then paid them in cash. Have you not hired lawn guys to cut your yard? Or hired cleaning ladies to clean your house? Come on - illegals are everywhere here working an honest living.

P wrote:

_its_baddude wrote:

prove it or you are as good as Alex Jones.

In all wars there are winners and looser. When talking about Trump's policies remember he wants to bring back jobs to the US. He makes the case we make terrible trade deals.

He does? I'd be happy to see some evidence of this. All I have ever seen is Trump proclaiming that these are "terrible trade deals". I have never seen him "make the case" that they are terrible trade deals.

Please provide evidence. Again, I would be very happy to see it.

Oh, I see what the problem is now. Do you need someone to explain to you the difference between "make the case" and "proclaim"?

I am kinda dumbfounded but thanks for your response! I am so used to the people hammering me on whatever I say it was nice for you to say that. May you have a wonderful weekend.

Sally Vix wrote:

Flagpole - every one here has hired illegals and then paid them in cash. Have you not hired lawn guys to cut your yard? Or hired cleaning ladies to clean your house? Come on - illegals are everywhere here working an honest living.

Would be better to stick with the truth.

Many people have hired illegals. Nowhere near "everyone on here" has. Many clean their own houses and cut their own lawns. Many are college students and even high school students. It is wildly inaccurate to say that "every one here has hired illegals and then paid them in cash. "

P wrote:

_its_baddude wrote:

prove it or you are as good as Alex Jones.

In all wars there are winners and looser. When talking about Trump's policies remember he wants to bring back jobs to the US. He makes the case we make terrible trade deals.

He does? I'd be happy to see some evidence of this. All I have ever seen is Trump proclaiming that these are "terrible trade deals". I have never seen him "make the case" that they are terrible trade deals.

Please provide evidence. Again, I would be very happy to see it.

Trump motivation for starting tarrifs wars is that it will create jobs, but he doesn't consider increases in prices or automation.

Sally Vix wrote:

I have barely posted on this thread until the last few days.

^ A blatant lie. . . . You have posted under so many different names (mostly stolen) on this thread, you are a joke.

Accuracy Matters wrote:

Sally Vix wrote:

Flagpole - every one here has hired illegals and then paid them in cash. Have you not hired lawn guys to cut your yard? Or hired cleaning ladies to clean your house? Come on - illegals are everywhere here working an honest living.

Would be better to stick with the truth.

Many people have hired illegals. Nowhere near "everyone on here" has. Many clean their own houses and cut their own lawns. Many are college students and even high school students. It is wildly inaccurate to say that "every one here has hired illegals and then paid them in cash. "

My bad. Many and maybe most have hired illegals here. To cut the grass. To clean their houses. To do whatever. We have had many Judge nominees who got into trouble because they hired illegals. It is a rampant problem.

alpha wrote:

Sally Vix wrote:

Flagpole,

I am neither stupid nor racist. But I support Trump only as an adversary to those on the Democratic side likely to run against him. I think Trump as a person is reprehensible, but his policies overall have benefited the country. Trump versus AOC? Trump all the way. Against Bernie too. Socialism would ruin this country. If the Democrats did offer up a more moderate like Biden, I would be open to listening to what he may offer. Again, Trump is a vile man but his policies have been good for the country.

I agree about Trump, on one hand a complete jackass, on the other an infinitely better choice than HRC or Bernie 'the sellout' Sanders.

No on Biden. Yes on Gabbard.

Other than that this entire thread is nothing but NPC's obediently parroting mainstream orthodoxy.

We are more than 2 years past the 2016 election. You can not simply say you support Trump because you believe he was a better choice than Hillary or Bernie. That was ok for the election, but we have seen his criminal and anti-American behavior since then and his serial lying to a level that is just shocking.

There are other alternatives to being stupid or racist. Here they are:

1) Support another Republican candidate who could actually run against him in the primary.

2) Support an independent.

3) Support a Democrat.

4) Support none of the above and stay home on election day assuming Trump is up for re-election.

How can you support him when he LIES so much?; when he GOLFS so much?; when he takes so much "executive time"?; when he he bows down to Putin and MBS and takes their word over that of our intelligence agencies?

The lying is the kicker, and that should be enough. How can you take it to the face and swallow the lies?

WTF^n wrote:

Green Deal wrote:

Reading comprehension is not one of your skills. Hint: learn what a comma means.

Seriously, who GNU?

Don't feel bad that your logic and language skills are inadequate. Perhaps other parts of your existence are not so inadequate. ;-)

You proved how dumb you are. First, you failed to understand what a comma's purpose is. Then you whined about proper language skills while using the web-gibberish text, "GNU".

Sally's wife wrote:

Sally Vix wrote:

I have barely posted on this thread until the last few days.

^ A blatant lie. . . . You have posted under so many different names (mostly stolen) on this thread, you are a joke.

Are you nuts? I only posted under mine. I had 15 names stolen from me. So how about we ignore each other? Okay?

P wrote:

_its_baddude wrote:

prove it or you are as good as Alex Jones.

In all wars there are winners and looser. When talking about Trump's policies remember he wants to bring back jobs to the US. He makes the case we make terrible trade deals.

He does? I'd be happy to see some evidence of this. All I have ever seen is Trump proclaiming that these are "terrible trade deals". I have never seen him "make the case" that they are terrible trade deals.

Please provide evidence. Again, I would be very happy to see it.

Trump does not read. He has no clue what existing trade deals actually say, let alone mean. He only knows that Ivanka is not making as much as he wants her to when she buys foreign made products for sale in the U.S.

Sally Vix wrote:

Sally Vix wrote:

Why do you care my choice of monikers? I use Fatty R. Belt Buckle but I am probably the fittest person here. I use Sally because I chose to. I am a male and have a female wife. Why do you care?

And one more thing ... Flagpole posts as "Flagpole" but is he a flagpole? Of course not.

I actually don't care what your name is, real or imagined, but I DO care about you making poor analogies.

A flagpole is not gender-specific. The name "Sally" TYPICALLY is though I'm sure there's a male "Sal" out there who answers to the nickname "Sally". You though didn't present it in that light, so that makes us assume you intended "Sally" to be a female name. Again, I don't care about that...only about your poor analogy.