Some of the points being discussed are illogical:
Trump claims there is currently a national emergency at the border. Yet, the Wall will take 2+ years to complete. What needs to be done in the interim?
The administration has been claiming terrorists or "people of interest" have been arrested at the border. Isn't that evidence that current border security is working?
Fat hurts wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
After careful consideration, today is the day that I join Fat Hurts in his assertion that "Tiny is going to prison".
It is clear that the SDNY will indict or already has indicted Trump under seal regarding FELONY campaign finance law violation and that he will go to prison when he is out of office. He still will face other charges on the federal level (and still more from the state level, likely related to bank fraud or some other type of fraud), but he could be pardoned by Pence regarding those federal charges. He could be pardoned by the governor regarding the state charges, but that is highly unlikely.
The way out for him to avoid prison is if they allow some sort of plea deal involving his resignation. I think there may be a plea deal of some sort, but even if there is that he will still have to serve some time in prison. He is in big, big trouble.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Nice to have you on board.
I hope we are right. This president clearly deserves a long stay in the slammer.
Michael Cohen might spill the beans on what Trump has or will be charged with next month, when he testifies in public to Congress.
But look, EVERYONE already knows Spanks has broken multiple tax laws, for decades and decades. Dude will be caught up in civil fights for the rest of his life, or just settle for a billion dollars, if he even has it. Cohen knows many of those problems.
But if Cohen just talks about BS campaign finance violations, that will be a nothingburger.
agip wrote:
King is an idiot, but he has a point.
We are trying to perpetuate ideas and culture from Europe, not Laos or Nigeria.
The Igbo people in modern-day Nigeria practiced democracy before the Spanish landed in the New World.
https://passnownow.com/pre-colonial-political-systems-nigeria-igbo-traditional-system/THREE FULL WEEKS of the Trump Shutdown . . . hang in there, everybody!
Trump, to Democrats: "I'm not gonna blame you for it."
Jeff Wigand wrote:
agip wrote:
King is an idiot, but he has a point.
We are trying to perpetuate ideas and culture from Europe, not Laos or Nigeria.
The Igbo people in modern-day Nigeria practiced democracy before the Spanish landed in the New World.
https://passnownow.com/pre-colonial-political-systems-nigeria-igbo-traditional-system/
FFS
Just sayin'... wrote:
THREE FULL WEEKS of the Trump Shutdown . . . hang in there, everybody!
Trump, to Democrats: "I'm not gonna blame you for it."
Trump set world record for length of US government shutdown.
https://www.abc15.com/news/national-politics/current-government-shutdown-ties-record-for-longest-shutdown-in-american-historyagip wrote:
But if Cohen just talks about BS campaign finance violations, that will be a nothingburger.
I disagree.
Michael Cohen testifying to Congress in a public setting that he is going to jail because the president directed Cohen to use Trump's money to give hundreds of thousands of dollars of hush money to women in the weeks leading up to the election day is a pretty fat burger.
And it will look worse when he lays out the details.
He will specify that Cohen set up a shell company for the purpose of laundering Trump's money.
Trump would send money to this account for "consulting" purposes. Cohen would then send money from that account to pay favors for Trump.
Money would go to women. Money would go in and out to The National Enquirer to influence what stories would go public.
And we may learn of money transfers with Russian Oligarchs.
The details are mostly out there in the news.
But the visual of public testimony that Americans see on TV would be pretty impactful to public opinion of his fitness for office and whether he committed impeachable offenses either as president or to become president.
Fat hurts wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
After careful consideration, today is the day that I join Fat Hurts in his assertion that "Tiny is going to prison".
It is clear that the SDNY will indict or already has indicted Trump under seal regarding FELONY campaign finance law violation and that he will go to prison when he is out of office. He still will face other charges on the federal level (and still more from the state level, likely related to bank fraud or some other type of fraud), but he could be pardoned by Pence regarding those federal charges. He could be pardoned by the governor regarding the state charges, but that is highly unlikely.
The way out for him to avoid prison is if they allow some sort of plea deal involving his resignation. I think there may be a plea deal of some sort, but even if there is that he will still have to serve some time in prison. He is in big, big trouble.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Nice to have you on board.
I hope we are right. This president clearly deserves a long stay in the slammer.
He does. I don't think he will get all that he deserves, but I agree with you now that prison is going to happen for him.
L L wrote:
agip wrote:
But if Cohen just talks about BS campaign finance violations, that will be a nothingburger.
I disagree.
Michael Cohen testifying to Congress in a public setting that he is going to jail because the president directed Cohen to use Trump's money to give hundreds of thousands of dollars of hush money to women in the weeks leading up to the election day is a pretty fat burger.
And it will look worse when he lays out the details.
He will specify that Cohen set up a shell company for the purpose of laundering Trump's money.
Trump would send money to this account for "consulting" purposes. Cohen would then send money from that account to pay favors for Trump.
Money would go to women. Money would go in and out to The National Enquirer to influence what stories would go public.
And we may learn of money transfers with Russian Oligarchs.
The details are mostly out there in the news.
But the visual of public testimony that Americans see on TV would be pretty impactful to public opinion of his fitness for office and whether he committed impeachable offenses either as president or to become president.
politicians get a pass for womanizing, for the most part. I mean really, who cares. You think alpha-male worshipping m@ga men and women will be upset at trump for sleeping with porn actresses and beauty queens? Really? That's what they WANT him to do, and they want him to get away with it.
Campaign finance violators are almost never prosecuted - it's just too hard to prove stuff. Did trump pay off the women for campaign purposes or to save his marriage/biz reputation? You tell me.
tax evasion/bank fraud and conspiracy and obstruction are more serious.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Some of the points being discussed are illogical:
Trump claims there is currently a national emergency at the border. Yet, the Wall will take 2+ years to complete. What needs to be done in the interim?
The administration has been claiming terrorists or "people of interest" have been arrested at the border. Isn't that evidence that current border security is working?
Will take longer than that as there will be legal challenges from land owners, lawmakers, and everyone and their brother.
He likely won't do anything in the interim. He just wants that stupid wall because he promised it. BUT, he has already gone back on his promise, because it won't be a "wall" made of "concrete and rebar" as he said on the campaign trail, AND (and this is most important), Mexico isn't going to pay for it with a "one time" payment of 5-10 billion dollars.
agip wrote:
L L wrote:
I disagree.
Michael Cohen testifying to Congress in a public setting that he is going to jail because the president directed Cohen to use Trump's money to give hundreds of thousands of dollars of hush money to women in the weeks leading up to the election day is a pretty fat burger.
And it will look worse when he lays out the details.
He will specify that Cohen set up a shell company for the purpose of laundering Trump's money.
Trump would send money to this account for "consulting" purposes. Cohen would then send money from that account to pay favors for Trump.
Money would go to women. Money would go in and out to The National Enquirer to influence what stories would go public.
And we may learn of money transfers with Russian Oligarchs.
The details are mostly out there in the news.
But the visual of public testimony that Americans see on TV would be pretty impactful to public opinion of his fitness for office and whether he committed impeachable offenses either as president or to become president.
politicians get a pass for womanizing, for the most part. I mean really, who cares. You think alpha-male worshipping m@ga men and women will be upset at trump for sleeping with porn actresses and beauty queens? Really? That's what they WANT him to do, and they want him to get away with it.
Campaign finance violators are almost never prosecuted - it's just too hard to prove stuff. Did trump pay off the women for campaign purposes or to save his marriage/biz reputation? You tell me.
tax evasion/bank fraud and conspiracy and obstruction are more serious.
Cohen is already going to prison for the campaign finance law violation. We have Trump on a recording discussing the law breaking activity with Cohen...who again pleaded guilty to this and is going to prison for this. Reportedly Weisselberg and Pecker have testified that this was to save his election. He's going down for this for sure...but it won't be the only thing. Bank fraud is attached, and he's in big trouble just on the state level for other crimes. He is going to prison.
Some of the eminent-domain issues from GWBush's efforts to secure the border are still being litigated in TX--more than a decade later.
L L wrote:
agip wrote:
But if Cohen just talks about BS campaign finance violations, that will be a nothingburger.
I disagree.
Michael Cohen testifying to Congress in a public setting that he is going to jail because the president directed Cohen to use Trump's money to give hundreds of thousands of dollars of hush money to women in the weeks leading up to the election day is a pretty fat burger.
And it will look worse when he lays out the details.
He will specify that Cohen set up a shell company for the purpose of laundering Trump's money.
Trump would send money to this account for "consulting" purposes. Cohen would then send money from that account to pay favors for Trump.
Money would go to women. Money would go in and out to The National Enquirer to influence what stories would go public.
And we may learn of money transfers with Russian Oligarchs.
The details are mostly out there in the news.
But the visual of public testimony that Americans see on TV would be pretty impactful to public opinion of his fitness for office and whether he committed impeachable offenses either as president or to become president.
Yep. This is true. This is a big deal. You are also correct that the visual is going to be impacting (I say devastating). Michael Cohen came off as VERY credible in a recent interview with George Stephanopoulos. Stephanopoulos asked him point blank, "why should anyone believe you?" Cohen answered that Mueller's team has found him truthful and helpful and that it (Mueller's team) has lots of corroborating evidence to support his claims.
Also, it's not just House members asking questions. It will be House members asking questions that ALSO drills information and reality into the minds of those watching. Democrat House members will be sure to use the word "FELONY" likely A LOT when questioning to make it clear that this is felony behavior. Cohen will state that Trump was there during the discussions with Weisselberg and Pecker about how and why to do this and that the WHY will be to help save his election.
When all is said and done, this Cohen testimony will just be one of several things that brought Trump down, but it may be remembered as the first big thing.
To quote Richard Painter, "His goose is cooked here".
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
I think Mitch McConMan is holding out for a bribe or a $10 billion wall in Kentucky before he’ll proceed.
“We will not hold a vote on impeachment unless it has the president’s support!”
jesseriley wrote:
“We will not hold a vote on impeachment unless it has the president’s support!”
That's not even a joke.
I can see that happening.
Mitch McConnell has used his power to implement anything that he wishes, regardless of how the other senators feel, including Republicans.
Garland would have been confirmed if he held a vote.
Pookie Washington wrote:
If Ginsburg retires or dies within 1 year of the 2020 election do you think the RepubliKKKKans would have the nerve to try to fill her seat before the election?
Yes, even if she dies the last day. An emergency appointment.
Pookie Washington wrote:
If Ginsburg retires or dies within 1 year of the 2020 election do you think the RepubliKKKKans would have the nerve to try to fill her seat before the election?
They may fill her seat the next time she falls asleep in public.
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Great interview with Steve Cram - says Jakob has no chance of WRs this year
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Hats off to my dad. He just ran a 1:42 Half Marathon and turns 75 in 2 months!
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