Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

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Trump to address the nation tomorrow night on border security! This is gonna be juicy, I bet he declares a state of emergency to get his wall.

L L wrote:

You say fine. Does that mean you don't care about his promise that Mexico will pay for it or that you actually think the new (yet to be passed) trade agreement will actually produce that much more net money from Mexico?

Once the wall is built, we will only pay for the maintenance after that. The money will keep coming from Mexico for years to come. It' all up to the Congress.

You do realize that you just pointed out how I am CORRECT and how your previous post is INCORRECT, right?

Yep. Look at the destruction Trump has done to established norms in the short time he has been a political figure. Nearly half the country believes that the press is the enemy of the people. They don't trust the FBI or the DOJ. They believe immigrants are a danger to our country when Reagan believed otherwise and all data shows that immigrants are more law-abiding than citizens.

It IS our turn. If Trump were younger, this would be a much bigger problem...he could then possibly have the time to turn our government into a dictatorship, and then Don Jr. would follow him when he dies. The Orange One is trying as hard as he can...putting in that stooge as Acting Attorney General is an obvious step. If you control the Department of Justice, it's not too hard to turn things completely your way. Get rid of all the heads and put in yes men. He has already "joked" about not having elections anymore.

It's a dangerous road the Trumpers trek down. I am still confident that Trump will be ended legally, that we simply will not allow a dictatorship in our country, but he has shown us that too many people in this country are not educated enough or self aware enough to guarantee we couldn't ever allow it.

Nope. Conservatives in this country are STILL following Trump. Rush Limbaugh and the far right wing of FOX news and other far right news media identify as conservatives and yet follow Trump. Listeners of all of them identify as conservatives and still follow Trump. Like I said before, until the majority of elected Republicans stand up and say they are against Trump, then conservatives and the GOP are synonymous.

I am suggesting that they SHOULD do that...but that the reality is that if you follow Trump you are NOT a conservative, BUT they are not yet doing that, so Conservatives = Trump = The GOP...for now.

You need more people like George Will, John Kasich, Joe Scarborough, and Ralph Peters to not only leave the Republican Party, but to excoriate Trump. It is great that there are some doing it, but it's too few TODAY.

In other words, you are unwilling to admit your error.

I understand that.

Racket wrote:

Trump to address the nation tomorrow night on border security! This is gonna be juicy, I bet he declares a state of emergency to get his wall.

I think the odds are 50/50.

If he does declare a state of emergency then that puts us in a whole new realm of crazy authoritarian maneuvering.

The courts would quickly strike down the "state of emergency" powers. Tiny would likely ignore the courts. Then it would be up to individual members of the military to decide whether to obey an unlawful order from the president.

Since all the adults have left the White House, anything is possible.

Fat hurts wrote:

Racket wrote:

Trump to address the nation tomorrow night on border security! This is gonna be juicy, I bet he declares a state of emergency to get his wall.

I think the odds are 50/50.

If he does declare a state of emergency then that puts us in a whole new realm of crazy authoritarian maneuvering.

The courts would quickly strike down the "state of emergency" powers. Tiny would likely ignore the courts. Then it would be up to individual members of the military to decide whether to obey an unlawful order from the president.

Since all the adults have left the White House, anything is possible.

He's not declaring a state of emergency - no way. I mean never say never with spanks at the wheel, but that would be even beyond his level of crackedness.

Remember, he thinks he's doing a great job - he just wants to keep going on as he is going.

there is zero question that trump has the support of conservatives. Yeah sure you can find a few never trump conservatives, but 99.9% of them are on board the trump train whereever it goes. Conservatives=trumpers=republican party. It's all the same thing now.

Freedom caucus GOPers are trump's biggest supporters. That tells you all you need to know. Put that in your cup of tea and drink it.

agip wrote:

Freedom caucus GOPers are trump's biggest supporters. That tells you all you need to know. Put that in your cup of tea and drink it.

You should have that as the freeDUMB caucus.

and another thing, as long as I'm here

The senate Rs have completely abdicated their lawmaking responsibiities. They have said 'eh, let Trump negotiate the budget with the Ds, we'll sign off on whatever Trump agrees to.'

it's awful and disgusting. A real senate leadership would have votes on bills to pay the governemtn and make trump say yes or no, at risk of being vetoed.

but the senate Rs are completely owned by trump, so they won't do anything on their own.

embarassing and as un-conservative as possible.

agip wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

I think the odds are 50/50.

If he does declare a state of emergency then that puts us in a whole new realm of crazy authoritarian maneuvering.

The courts would quickly strike down the "state of emergency" powers. Tiny would likely ignore the courts. Then it would be up to individual members of the military to decide whether to obey an unlawful order from the president.

Since all the adults have left the White House, anything is possible.

He's not declaring a state of emergency - no way. I mean never say never with spanks at the wheel, but that would be even beyond his level of crackedness.

Remember, he thinks he's doing a great job - he just wants to keep going on as he is going.

I hope you are right, but Tiny is desperate for a face-saving way out of this.

He might be thinking about this scenario:

1) Declare state of emergency to start building the wall

2) Agree to a clean CR, because the border wall is getting built anyway. Shutdown ends without a fight.

3) SCOTUS declares the power grab unconstitutional

4) Now Tiny can tell his base how hard he fought and he needs to be re-elected to replace more judges.

Fat hurts wrote:

agip wrote:

He's not declaring a state of emergency - no way. I mean never say never with spanks at the wheel, but that would be even beyond his level of crackedness.

Remember, he thinks he's doing a great job - he just wants to keep going on as he is going.

I hope you are right, but Tiny is desperate for a face-saving way out of this.

He might be thinking about this scenario:

1) Declare state of emergency to start building the wall

2) Agree to a clean CR, because the border wall is getting built anyway. Shutdown ends without a fight.

3) SCOTUS declares the power grab unconstitutional

4) Now Tiny can tell his base how hard he fought and he needs to be re-elected to replace more judges.

when you have a multi trillion dollar budget there is always fudging abilities.

he'll announce that he found some money somewhere to build some new wall-ish structure, call the Dems enemies of the people, and rally the magaheads.

remember that trump doesn't want the shut down to end - because when it does, it's back to Mueller headlines. So he's unlikely to do anything that would end this.

No. I made no error. You misunderstood the point I was making. If I made it ineffectively, then that is on me, but other than that, no error made by me.

agip wrote:

PIO! wrote:

You do realize that you just pointed out how I am CORRECT and how your previous post is INCORRECT, right?

there is zero question that trump has the support of conservatives. Yeah sure you can find a few never trump conservatives, but 99.9% of them are on board the trump train whereever it goes. Conservatives=trumpers=republican party. It's all the same thing now.

Freedom caucus GOPers are trump's biggest supporters. That tells you all you need to know. Put that in your cup of tea and drink it.

Yep.

agip wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

I hope you are right, but Tiny is desperate for a face-saving way out of this.

He might be thinking about this scenario:

1) Declare state of emergency to start building the wall

2) Agree to a clean CR, because the border wall is getting built anyway. Shutdown ends without a fight.

3) SCOTUS declares the power grab unconstitutional

4) Now Tiny can tell his base how hard he fought and he needs to be re-elected to replace more judges.

when you have a multi trillion dollar budget there is always fudging abilities.

he'll announce that he found some money somewhere to build some new wall-ish structure, call the Dems enemies of the people, and rally the magaheads.

remember that trump doesn't want the shut down to end - because when it does, it's back to Mueller headlines. So he's unlikely to do anything that would end this.

The "found money" scenario doesn't work. Any money for the wall has to be appropriated as such. That's why he would need the state of emergency so he could use military funds.

Fat hurts wrote:

agip wrote:

when you have a multi trillion dollar budget there is always fudging abilities.

he'll announce that he found some money somewhere to build some new wall-ish structure, call the Dems enemies of the people, and rally the magaheads.

remember that trump doesn't want the shut down to end - because when it does, it's back to Mueller headlines. So he's unlikely to do anything that would end this.

The "found money" scenario doesn't work. Any money for the wall has to be appropriated as such. That's why he would need the state of emergency so he could use military funds.

Republicans never would have stood for this crap if Obama claimed a state of emergency to get a pet project done. Conservatives are supposed to be Constitutionalists, and yet they religiously follow a guy who challenges the constitution constantly. If he were allowed to be in office long enough and have the kind of power he really wants, the Second Amendment would be a thing of the past.