Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

Fat hurts wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

Fat Hurts,

You have said recently that Trump is going to prison. I think that is possible, but I'm not yet willing to make that call as I see too many ways for him to avoid it.

What do you believe is the path for him to end up in prison? Just looking to be educated here.

Thanks.

I believe he will be indicted and convicted of one or more felonies.

Mueller's findings will not be buried. Tiny's toadies in the DOJ might try. But there will be such public outcry to know the truth that the truth will have to come out.

I believe that Tiny can not pardon himself and I don't think Pence will pardon him.

Even if he somehow escapes federal prosecution, the state of New York is likely to come after him.

There are just too many ways to build a strong case against him right now. At least one is bound to be successful. I think it would take a legal Houdini to save him, but Tiny doesn't have anyone that talented on his team.

Remember, there are four ways for an autocrat like Tiny to leave office:

1) Dies in office

2) Thrown in prison

3) Flees to exile

4) Taken out back and shot

I think #2 is most likely, but all four are plausible.

Nobars wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

Yes, we all know he won't be impeached during the shutdown. If the house Dems have half a brain, they won't impeach unless and until senate R's are ready to go along with it. Don't hold your breath.

As for Tiny going to prison, I find it to be pretty likely as I just stated above.

But let me tell you a little more about why I think that.

You see, Tiny is a white collar criminal. He's been into a lot of very crooked stuff for a very long time. And he continues to flout the law because he has always gotten away with it.

White collar criminals are almost never prosecuted. That is because it is very expensive and complicated to bring cases against them.

But politicians are the exception. Politicians who commit white collar crime are in the public eye and we all want to see crooked politicians exposed. So the complexity and expense are outweighed by the public's demand for justice.

When Tiny became a politician, the rules of the game changed. The deck is now stacked against him.

Tiny is going to prison.

You misunderstood. I never said during the shutdown. I'm saying he's not getting impeached nor is he going to prison, but you feel otherwise. Time will tell who is right, but I'd bet plenty that I'll be right.

EPlC Flagpole wrote:

WOOOWW!! Our resident Flagpoler- Flagpole himself- has really been ramping up the posting frequency lately. You know what that typically means, right? Yep- another Epic Flagpole is likely on the horizon.

Anyhow, hope everyone had a fun and safe NYE. Yes, even those inflicted with Trump Derangement Syndrome.

The month got kicked off with a bang with Mueller recommending zero jail time for Flynn. This was a massive blow to the TDS world, as regardless of his heroism and leadership in the field, if he were guilty of treasonous activity he would be raked over the coals and headed for a long jail sentence. It’s pretty clear that he was shaken down for completely unrelated activities in his past and for being an outspoken opponent of the Obama-establishment coalition.

Then in another blow to TDSers, Cohen gets a fairly minimal sentence as well, despite pleading guilty to multiple accounts of personal tax crimes (from well before the Trump candidacy). The flimsy link to Trump at all is now some hush money paid to a couple women that were threatening Trump with public humiliation unless they received some cash. Any honest, reasonable adult knows this is nothing, is not illegal, and if it weren’t for the fact that the Russian Collusion Hoax has produced nothing, wouldn’t get any air time at all.

Rosenstein has still been mum since Trump ordered the de-classification of all redacted documents related to the Russian Collusion Hoax. Amazing that despite Trump making that request, it hasn’t happened. Hmmm- wonder what they’re so desperate to hide?

Soon-to-be Attorney General Barr’s memo from June regarding the Special Counsel investigation was incredibly on point and refreshing. In the months since, his position has been proven entirely correct. A prosecutor does not simply get to subpoena the POTUS because they think it could be interesting. They should be able to show 1) a serious crime of which the president is clearly implicated or 2) existence of actual evidence or testimony that only the president can provide. This goes back to the most basic fact that TDS world has inexcusably been ignoring: crimes are investigated, not people.

Then Trump orders something that both the Far Left and a portion of the Right (Libertarians) would agree on: bringing our troops home from Syria (and Afghanistan). ISIS has literally lost 99% of the area it once controlled (80% of which has been achieved in the last 2 years under Trump). That was Trump’s stated goal from day one. But guess what? The Far Left now loves war/occupations! I never thought I’d see MSNBC arguing for troops to stay abroad without a direct threat to US national security, but there it was. The Neo-Cons of course, lost their mind. Ron and Rand Paul, however, publicly praised the move. From discussions with real people in my daily life, most are fine with bringing the troops home. So chalk this up to another fake, manufactured crisis perpetrated by the establishment.

HUGE development on the US-Mexican border front. The new Mexican president- who of course is referred to as “populist” because he doesn’t support all his people fleeing to the US- has proposed a “free zone” in the northern regions of Mexico to incentivize people to stay in Mexico. MIND BLOWN, right? The free zone incentives strive to attract investment and reduce migration to the US. Finally, the leader of a country is attempting to take action to improve the lives of his citizens so they don’t have to flee their home country.

Remember Avenatti? LOL!!

Mueller will not be coming.

The clown continues to be Flagpole.

Current status of Flagpole's Flagpole streak: 35+ months.

Silly Willy wrote:

EPlC Flagpole wrote:

WOOOWW!! Our resident Flagpoler- Flagpole himself- has really been ramping up the posting frequency lately. You know what that typically means, right? Yep- another Epic Flagpole is likely on the horizon.

Anyhow, hope everyone had a fun and safe NYE. Yes, even those inflicted with Trump Derangement Syndrome.

The month got kicked off with a bang with Mueller recommending zero jail time for Flynn. This was a massive blow to the TDS world, as regardless of his heroism and leadership in the field, if he were guilty of treasonous activity he would be raked over the coals and headed for a long jail sentence. It’s pretty clear that he was shaken down for completely unrelated activities in his past and for being an outspoken opponent of the Obama-establishment coalition.

Then in another blow to TDSers, Cohen gets a fairly minimal sentence as well, despite pleading guilty to multiple accounts of personal tax crimes (from well before the Trump candidacy). The flimsy link to Trump at all is now some hush money paid to a couple women that were threatening Trump with public humiliation unless they received some cash. Any honest, reasonable adult knows this is nothing, is not illegal, and if it weren’t for the fact that the Russian Collusion Hoax has produced nothing, wouldn’t get any air time at all.

Rosenstein has still been mum since Trump ordered the de-classification of all redacted documents related to the Russian Collusion Hoax. Amazing that despite Trump making that request, it hasn’t happened. Hmmm- wonder what they’re so desperate to hide?

Soon-to-be Attorney General Barr’s memo from June regarding the Special Counsel investigation was incredibly on point and refreshing. In the months since, his position has been proven entirely correct. A prosecutor does not simply get to subpoena the POTUS because they think it could be interesting. They should be able to show 1) a serious crime of which the president is clearly implicated or 2) existence of actual evidence or testimony that only the president can provide. This goes back to the most basic fact that TDS world has inexcusably been ignoring: crimes are investigated, not people.

Then Trump orders something that both the Far Left and a portion of the Right (Libertarians) would agree on: bringing our troops home from Syria (and Afghanistan). ISIS has literally lost 99% of the area it once controlled (80% of which has been achieved in the last 2 years under Trump). That was Trump’s stated goal from day one. But guess what? The Far Left now loves war/occupations! I never thought I’d see MSNBC arguing for troops to stay abroad without a direct threat to US national security, but there it was. The Neo-Cons of course, lost their mind. Ron and Rand Paul, however, publicly praised the move. From discussions with real people in my daily life, most are fine with bringing the troops home. So chalk this up to another fake, manufactured crisis perpetrated by the establishment.

HUGE development on the US-Mexican border front. The new Mexican president- who of course is referred to as “populist” because he doesn’t support all his people fleeing to the US- has proposed a “free zone” in the northern regions of Mexico to incentivize people to stay in Mexico. MIND BLOWN, right? The free zone incentives strive to attract investment and reduce migration to the US. Finally, the leader of a country is attempting to take action to improve the lives of his citizens so they don’t have to flee their home country.

Remember Avenatti? LOL!!

Mueller will not be coming.

The clown continues to be Flagpole.

Current status of Flagpole's Flagpole streak: 35+ months.

Hahaha! Flagpole and the Gang were huge Avenatti fans for a minute. As was noted at the time, it was a clear sign of the desperation of team TDS.

You did forget to mention the fake news of the month though- That cellphone signals from Cohen's phone were found in outside Prague. Of course, I saw many idiots run with it on social media. Cohen- who has now completely gone anti-Trump to try to save his own asss, had to publicly deny again that he has never been near Prague and also that he NEVER SAW OR PARTICIPATED IN ANY RUSSIAN COLLUSION.

Educate yourselves first wrote:

Giant Pool wrote:

Other Giant Pools that Republicans keep quiet about:

-- Auto Insurance -- don't have it, don't get to drive

-- Mortgage Insurance -- don't have, don't get a loan.

-- Business / Contractor Liability Insurance -- don't have and good luck getting hired.

I can't believe I have to explain this to what I assume are educated adults.....

Those other examples of insurance are not even remotely comparable to our health care system ("health insurance"). Those other insurance types are actually rooted in actuarial tables, data, probabilities, etc. That is what insurance is supposed to be. The pricing is based on the likelihood that an accident will occur. In addition, these insurance markets are very competitive, so costs are subject to downward pressure. Tying insurance to the law is not a bad idea here, because the insurance is actual insurance. Health "insurance" is not even remotely rooted in actuarial formulas.

Health "insurance" is really a third party payment system at this point. If you've stepped foot in a basic economics class, you'd know that third party payment systems are insanely inefficient. Every single time you interact with someone in the health care system, money is paid out.

On top of this, health care is largely fee-for-service. If you've stepped foot in a basic economics class, you'd know that fee-for-service industries are insanely inefficient. Fee-for-service industries are at the root of many of the most unsustainable industries (health care, law, academia, etc.).

So our health care ("insurance") system is based on two of the most inefficient system models you could even come up with. This dumbed-down "giant pool" idea shows a complete lack of understanding of basic economics. You think it will control costs?! Are you mad?! There's literally no incentive for anyone in the system to reduce costs! To make things even worse, nearly every provision of the ACA intentionally increased demand for health care (if you've stepped foot in a basic economics class, you'd know that increasing demand for something will only increase costs). You were sold a bill of goods that was a complete lie. The insurance industry made out like bandits and Obama lied to your face so he could expand coverage the easiest (laziest) way possible.

So to your examples, where the "giant pool" is a component of the actuarial formulas to determine pricing-

Auto insurance is solely for damage to the vehicle and personal injury. Does it cover general repairs for wear parts (tires, brakes, tie-rods, etc)? Nope. Can you get a rack or hitch installed? No, no you can't. You pay out of pocket for everything car related that is not an accident/damage. This are the equivalent to going to the doctor for a checkup, or maybe a common cold or flu. Who pays for those visits to the doctor though? You? Nope- Who knows?! Who cares- I hardly see any of the bill! Yay health insurance!

Does Contractor Liability insurance cover the tools they need to get the job done? What about extra materials that they didn't originally plan for? Nope and nope.

Again, the insurance in these industries are rooted in actuarial formulas that cover major accidents. The costs are actually pretty controllable, and the insurance market is very competitive. Health insurance is NOT.

Flagpole wrote:

She sucked at everything wrote:

From Page 2 on this thread.

Here's why you guys lost and are still upset. Give it a rest. You voted for a woman for change, just like B.O. for race/diversity.

And flagpole among others, not just him, claimed she was the most qualified. You couldn't have been further from the truth. A decent honest democrat would have won hands down against trump, but that didn't happen.

[sigh]

1) Hillary Clinton was a flawed candidate. No one here has said otherwise. That is PART of the reason that she lost the election, but not the ONLY reason.

2) Hillary was though, without question, the most qualified person to be President from the 2016 field. Doesn't mean she didn't also have some negatives, but she was the most qualified.

3) No one here regularly posting about how bad Trump is is upset about the election. Acceptance of bad things for mentally healthy people comes quickly. We are just vehemently against Trump, and that comes from all the stuff we have learned SINCE THE ELECTION. We have learned just from what is public information how big of a criminal he is. We suspected that perhaps he was before the election, and we knew he was involved in many kinds of fraud that he was able to pay his way out of (Trump University for example), but we did not know the depth and breadth of his criminality. We did not know that he would be so openly racist. We did not know that he would refuse to read anything, refuse to study issues, refuse to work a full work day, watch television almost 24/7, golf much more than any other President, commit FELONY Campaign Finance Law violations, obstruct justice, show that he believes the DOJ is there to serve him, not the country, surround himself with so many criminals including Felix Sater, a former Russian mobster, praise murderous dictators around the world, and tell bald-faced lies at a clip that was not even fathomable. That's not even close to all of it.

He's a serial liar. He's a criminal. He's incompetent to levels never before even remotely approached.

And...

Mueller is coming.

The clown is dead.

UR ignorant wrote:

Educate yourselves first wrote:

I can't believe I have to explain this to what I assume are educated adults.....

Those other examples of insurance are not even remotely comparable to our health care system ("health insurance"). Those other insurance types are actually rooted in actuarial tables, data, probabilities, etc. That is what insurance is supposed to be. The pricing is based on the likelihood that an accident will occur. In addition, these insurance markets are very competitive, so costs are subject to downward pressure. Tying insurance to the law is not a bad idea here, because the insurance is actual insurance. Health "insurance" is not even remotely rooted in actuarial formulas.

Health "insurance" is really a third party payment system at this point. If you've stepped foot in a basic economics class, you'd know that third party payment systems are insanely inefficient. Every single time you interact with someone in the health care system, money is paid out.

On top of this, health care is largely fee-for-service. If you've stepped foot in a basic economics class, you'd know that fee-for-service industries are insanely inefficient. Fee-for-service industries are at the root of many of the most unsustainable industries (health care, law, academia, etc.).

So our health care ("insurance") system is based on two of the most inefficient system models you could even come up with. This dumbed-down "giant pool" idea shows a complete lack of understanding of basic economics. You think it will control costs?! Are you mad?! There's literally no incentive for anyone in the system to reduce costs! To make things even worse, nearly every provision of the ACA intentionally increased demand for health care (if you've stepped foot in a basic economics class, you'd know that increasing demand for something will only increase costs). You were sold a bill of goods that was a complete lie. The insurance industry made out like bandits and Obama lied to your face so he could expand coverage the easiest (laziest) way possible.

So to your examples, where the "giant pool" is a component of the actuarial formulas to determine pricing-

Auto insurance is solely for damage to the vehicle and personal injury. Does it cover general repairs for wear parts (tires, brakes, tie-rods, etc)? Nope. Can you get a rack or hitch installed? No, no you can't. You pay out of pocket for everything car related that is not an accident/damage. This are the equivalent to going to the doctor for a checkup, or maybe a common cold or flu. Who pays for those visits to the doctor though? You? Nope- Who knows?! Who cares- I hardly see any of the bill! Yay health insurance!

Does Contractor Liability insurance cover the tools they need to get the job done? What about extra materials that they didn't originally plan for? Nope and nope.

Again, the insurance in these industries are rooted in actuarial formulas that cover major accidents. The costs are actually pretty controllable, and the insurance market is very competitive. Health insurance is NOT.

This is the most ignorant post of all-time.

YOU: "Those other insurance types are actually rooted in actuarial tables, data, probabilities, etc"

Exactly how heath insurance premiums are determined.

You are truly ignorant.

UR ignorant wrote:

Educate yourselves first wrote:

I can't believe I have to explain this to what I assume are educated adults.....

Those other examples of insurance are not even remotely comparable to our health care system ("health insurance"). Those other insurance types are actually rooted in actuarial tables, data, probabilities, etc. That is what insurance is supposed to be. The pricing is based on the likelihood that an accident will occur. In addition, these insurance markets are very competitive, so costs are subject to downward pressure. Tying insurance to the law is not a bad idea here, because the insurance is actual insurance. Health "insurance" is not even remotely rooted in actuarial formulas.

Health "insurance" is really a third party payment system at this point. If you've stepped foot in a basic economics class, you'd know that third party payment systems are insanely inefficient. Every single time you interact with someone in the health care system, money is paid out.

On top of this, health care is largely fee-for-service. If you've stepped foot in a basic economics class, you'd know that fee-for-service industries are insanely inefficient. Fee-for-service industries are at the root of many of the most unsustainable industries (health care, law, academia, etc.).

So our health care ("insurance") system is based on two of the most inefficient system models you could even come up with. This dumbed-down "giant pool" idea shows a complete lack of understanding of basic economics. You think it will control costs?! Are you mad?! There's literally no incentive for anyone in the system to reduce costs! To make things even worse, nearly every provision of the ACA intentionally increased demand for health care (if you've stepped foot in a basic economics class, you'd know that increasing demand for something will only increase costs). You were sold a bill of goods that was a complete lie. The insurance industry made out like bandits and Obama lied to your face so he could expand coverage the easiest (laziest) way possible.

So to your examples, where the "giant pool" is a component of the actuarial formulas to determine pricing-

Auto insurance is solely for damage to the vehicle and personal injury. Does it cover general repairs for wear parts (tires, brakes, tie-rods, etc)? Nope. Can you get a rack or hitch installed? No, no you can't. You pay out of pocket for everything car related that is not an accident/damage. This are the equivalent to going to the doctor for a checkup, or maybe a common cold or flu. Who pays for those visits to the doctor though? You? Nope- Who knows?! Who cares- I hardly see any of the bill! Yay health insurance!

Does Contractor Liability insurance cover the tools they need to get the job done? What about extra materials that they didn't originally plan for? Nope and nope.

Again, the insurance in these industries are rooted in actuarial formulas that cover major accidents. The costs are actually pretty controllable, and the insurance market is very competitive. Health insurance is NOT.

This is the most ignorant post of all-time.

YOU: "Those other insurance types are actually rooted in actuarial tables, data, probabilities, etc"

Exactly how heath insurance premiums are determined.

You are truly ignorant.