Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

L L wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

It sure could keep going on for a long time yet. At some point, even if more investigating is to be done, Mueller must pull the trigger...

No. Congress must pull the trigger.

There is ambiguity of whether a sitting president can be indicted.

Mueller has no trigger to pull.

By the middle of 2017, it looked like there was already enough evidence to take Trump down.

There were talks at the DOJ in May of 2017 about what to do. They settled on this special counsel.

Then this Republican congress did nothing.

It seems like Mueller switched his strategy to dragging this out until the 2018 election results.

In a month there will be Democrats in charge of initiating an impeachment process.

If that doesn't work, it gets dragged until 2021 when Trump is possibly a civilian again and can surely be prosecuted.

Well, Mueller has a trigger to pull. He COULD write a culminating report that has all pertinent information in it related to conspiracy with Russia and perhaps also obstruction of justice and perjury and then deliver that to the House with the added info that ancillary issues like Money Laundering and other kinds of fraud will be delivered at a different time, some by other offices than his.

Make America Great Again wrote:

L L wrote:

In a month there will be Democrats in charge of initiating an impeachment process.

If that doesn't work, it gets dragged until 2021 when Trump is possibly a civilian again and can surely be prosecuted.

1. Democrats do not have enough Senators to remove the President.

2. Presidential harassment did not work well for the GOP in 1990s.

If they impeach President Trump, he will survive the Senate trial. The public opinion will turn against the Democrats, and Trump will be reelected by a historic landslide.

1) The totality of the information will be so bad that there will be enough Republican senators to vote to convict, OR he will be told that ahead of time and he will resign.

2) Presidential harassment is not a thing.

3) Trump being re-elected in a landslide is crazy talk.

Fat hurts wrote:

L L wrote:

But I have already said that Trump would resign before a conviction vote came up.

Mueller is still holding the Trump Jr card.

Two things:

1) Tiny will not resign. That would require a sense of humility.

2) Tiny would throw Jr. under the bus before he resigned or admitted to wrongdoing. It's still a card that Mueller can play, but it will only get him so far.

You are even more delusional than Clownpole.

Rigged for Hillary wrote:

agip wrote:

Trump:

Lowest approval rating for any president since WW2, at this point in his admin.

surging trade deficit

skyrocketing deficits and debt

Biggest D wave in the House since Watergate

Most corrupt administration in modern times.

#notwinning

And yet still, Obama is claiming credit for the economy. So bad can it be, huh?

Trump wins, Trump wins again.

Neither Obama no Trump gets credit for the economy. Normal cycle following that horrible recession...one that also was NOT caused by anyone in particular ALTHOUGH Bill Clinton did have a hand in helping cause the housing crisis.

That's what I expect will happen.

Rigged for Hillary wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

Two things:

1) Tiny will not resign. That would require a sense of humility.

2) Tiny would throw Jr. under the bus before he resigned or admitted to wrongdoing. It's still a card that Mueller can play, but it will only get him so far.

You are even more delusional than Clownpole.

No, I'm just betting that Tiny is delusional. He sure acts like it.

PIO! wrote:

Runningart2004 wrote:

Lying about and obstructing justice over an affair is vastly different than lying about and obstructing justice over illegal or unethical campaign or business activity. I don’t think he willingly conspired with Russia in 2016, but I think he knew about Russian intent on trying to help him get elected, that’s bad enough.

Clinton also came clean to the American People on national television and was a smooth SOB. He was likable. Trump will not do that. His team is already working on an alternative facts report.

Side Note: Imagine if Nixon had Twitter?

Alan

Not sure that I follow you. You are saying that Trump knowing that Russia tried to help him get elected is somehow dishonorable even if not illegal?

How is that?

It’s the difference between actively seeking to conspire with a foreign government to affect the election and passively knowing it’s going on yet not doing anything about it. I think most people’s definition of “collusion “or “conspiracy” is more blatant or insidious than it really is.

We are fools to watch history repeat itself. Trump obviously doesn’t want Mueller to continue. He is obviously hiding something. His staff turnover is incredible. He has no understanding of the limits of presidential authority and seeks to rule by decree as he sees fit.

Even Nixon’s approval was above 50% before the Wategate hearings when the writing was already on the wall.

Obstruction is a done deal. My question is you fire Comey because he wouldn’t stop investigating Flynn. Why is that a big deal? What does Flynn know? I think that’s always been the biggest issue. We will know soon.

Alan

Fat hurts wrote:

agip wrote:

To review, there are four ways an authoritarian like Tiny leaves office:

1) Dies in office

2) Thrown in prison

3) Flees to exile

4) Taken out back and shot

this is silly. Trump has been scrupulous in following court orders. He has done absolutely nothing to indicate he won't leave voluntarily.

I haven't seen anything to indicate that he is not a full-blown authoritarian. His insane behavior and authoritarian tendencies make me believe that he will not accept a legal order to leave office.

The man is unstable.

I consider #2 and #3 to be very likely.[/quote]

1) He IS unstable for sure.

2) A person can't be a full-blown authoritarian unless he has full cooperation of the rest of the government and the military, and he does not have that.

3) Thrown in prison? Perhaps, but not because he is refusing to leave office. It will be because of his other crimes and likely only after he is out of office...and again while possible, I still think he will avoid prison.

4) Flees to exile? Perhaps. While this would be dramatic, it would not surprise me, and I am not predicting it.

Make America Great Again wrote:

L L wrote:

What you are implying is that Trump can rape and then kill a newborn baby in the Oval Office and a single Republican senator would not vote to convict on a Democrat lead impeachment..

Trump has done nothing even remotely close to that.

However, I know another president who got a bl*w job in the White House. And he survived the impeachment.

Note: I cannot even spell what 42 did, because it would violate this board's "Terms and Conditions."

I was disgusted by what Bill Clinton did and felt that not because of that action but because he lied and obstructed justice that he SHOULD have been convicted by the Senate and removed.

That said, what Bill Clinton was lying about was no where near as bad a thing for our country as what Trump is lying about. He has (the report will show) conspired with Russia to win an election. He has repeatedly obstructed justice in a multitude of ways. He has violated the emoluments clause. He has laundered money. He has committed FELONY campaign finance law violation. He has committed bank and/or wire fraud. He has committed perjury with his written answers to Mueller (I suspect as he has not yet met the truth). He has run a criminal enterprise for decades. He has formed US policy around his own wanting to enrich himself.

Mueller is coming.

The clown is done.

Fat hurts wrote:

L L wrote:

But I have already said that Trump would resign before a conviction vote came up.

Mueller is still holding the Trump Jr card.

Two things:

1) Tiny will not resign. That would require a sense of humility.

2) Tiny would throw Jr. under the bus before he resigned or admitted to wrongdoing. It's still a card that Mueller can play, but it will only get him so far.

You very well could be right that he won't resign and that he would throw Don Jr. under the bus (has done so already) before admitting any wrongdoing, BUT I'm not sure resigning requires any humility. If the House impeaches him (and it will) and the Senate then comes to him and says they have the votes to convict, he might decide to resign just because he can see what is going to happen. Mostly it will depend on which way he thinks will make himself look best in the end...resigning or being thrown out of office. I think resigning is better, but it will depend on what HE thinks is better.

I am by no means a fan of Trump, as anyone on this thread knows. But what would you have had him do about it?

Fat hurts wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

Well, Mueller has a trigger to pull. He COULD write a culminating report that has all pertinent information in it related to conspiracy with Russia and perhaps also obstruction of justice and perjury and then deliver that to the House with the added info that ancillary issues like Money Laundering and other kinds of fraud will be delivered at a different time, some by other offices than his.

That's what I expect will happen.

Yep...that's a good guess.

Flagpole wrote:

You very well could be right that he won't resign and that he would throw Don Jr. under the bus (has done so already) before admitting any wrongdoing, ...

Trump allies are bracing for a Don Jr’s looming Mueller indictment

Fat hurts wrote:

Rigged for Hillary wrote:

You are even more delusional than Clownpole.

No, I'm just betting that Tiny is delusional. He sure acts like it.

To be fair to Rigged, it is not hard to be more delusional than I am (knowing that that is how he refers to me) because I am not delusional at all.

For one thing, as soon as Don Jr. got that e-mail saying that Russia wanted to help his father win and that they had dirt on Hillary they wanted to share, he should have gone to the FBI right then and there. The Orange One knew about that meeting...Mueller will show that.

Flagpole wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

this is silly. Trump has been scrupulous in following court orders. He has done absolutely nothing to indicate he won't leave voluntarily.

I haven't seen anything to indicate that he is not a full-blown authoritarian. His insane behavior and authoritarian tendencies make me believe that he will not accept a legal order to leave office.

The man is unstable.

I consider #2 and #3 to be very likely.

1) He IS unstable for sure.

2) A person can't be a full-blown authoritarian unless he has full cooperation of the rest of the government and the military, and he does not have that.

3) Thrown in prison? Perhaps, but not because he is refusing to leave office. It will be because of his other crimes and likely only after he is out of office...and again while possible, I still think he will avoid prison.

4) Flees to exile? Perhaps. While this would be dramatic, it would not surprise me, and I am not predicting it.[/quote]

2) I'm not saying he is a successful authoritarian. I don't think he will be able to consolidate his power in the military and you are correct that he would need that to be successful. I don't think he's smart enough to pull that off. Maybe I shouldn't have said, "full-blown". I'm just saying that he thinks as an authoritarian and therefore he will leave office like an authoritarian.

3) When an authoritarian is thrown in prison it never for "refusing to leave office". I'm not suggesting that would be the charge. The charge would be related to the Russia matter.

4) I'm not sure if he's smart enough to pull of "flee to exile" either. I guess the way it would work would be to meet Putin at a summit and say, "Take me into custody". Putin would be most happy to oblige.

Embraced by Trump wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

You very well could be right that he won't resign and that he would throw Don Jr. under the bus (has done so already) before admitting any wrongdoing, ...

Trump allies are bracing for a Don Jr’s looming Mueller indictment

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/12/in-trumpworld-they-know-someone-is-coming-to-town-and-its-not-santa

Love that headline.

Flagpole wrote:

PIO! wrote:

I am by no means a fan of Trump, as anyone on this thread knows. But what would you have had him do about it?

For one thing, as soon as Don Jr. got that e-mail saying that Russia wanted to help his father win and that they had dirt on Hillary they wanted to share, he should have gone to the FBI right then and there. The Orange One knew about that meeting...Mueller will show that.

Yes, and the FBI had met face to face and warned them about this very thing. All of the senior staff of the Trump campaign knew that they were supposed to notify the FBI if approached by a foreign government.

Mueller's report doesn't go to the house. It goes to the DOJ, and whoever is running the investigation at DOJ will decide what to do with the report. It's complex but Congress only gets the report if the DOJ disagrees with it in some way.

Although some of this secrecy is mitigated by these sentencing statements that tell the story. But not all.