Pretty good read right here. This is who signed the Flynn memo :
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/05/15/taking-down-terrorists-in-court
Pretty good read right here. This is who signed the Flynn memo :
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/05/15/taking-down-terrorists-in-court
Fat hurts wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
I understand the value. That is why I went to college and I sent both of my kids to college. BUT, not everyone is capable of getting a college degree, and not everyone can learn how to learn in that setting. We should not hold a college degree up as the end all be all. That makes a whole segment of the population feel left out. The dudes who renovated my bathroom didn't need a college degree. A whole host of jobs don't require a college degree, and they are filled with people who would not be successful in college. We should give them more respect for what they do rather than constantly telling them that they failed because they did not go to college.
Yes. That's why I said it's a big "if".
Yep. Fair enough. I agree...a big "if".
banned Pete wrote:
Flagpole wrote:A college education is not needed for all people or even most people.
That true statement is independent of the question as to whether it is a good or bad idea to make higher education free, like it is in many European countries.
The basic argument in favour of state-funded college education is that it evens the playing field, allowing people from any background equal access to the same educational opportunities. At present, in the US there is a very significant difference between the education you can get straight out of the hood (maybe a couple of years at third-rate schools, depending on what state you live in) versus the inherited entitlements of a trust fund baby, and this magnifies and perpetuates class differences.
Depending on your point of view, this (the current system in the US) is either a good thing or a bad thing. I'll not weigh in on what y'all ought to do, you can work it out amongst yourselves.
If we offer free college education without fixing K-12 first, it will essentially become a subsidy to middle class at the expense of lower income class. (Those who qualify for college on academic merit, get free education, but others get nothing.) Students from middle and higher income class have much better chances to qualify for college than those from lower classes, even after controlling for their HS GPA and standardized test scores. (And they also have advantage in standardized test, after controlling for natural intelligence.) A short term fix might be to offer everyone free post secondary education, either in college or vocational training. But there must be a long term solution to deal with our K-12 education.
Make America Great Again wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
It's also a signal to witnesses that Tiny is not the only one who can grant a "pardon".
Mueller has shown that loyalty to the nation and to the truth can set you free. Loyalty to the president might get you a pardon down the road, but only if that pardon serves Tiny's self-interest.
Who would you trust?
So when President Trump suggests pardon for keeping silence, he is criticized for "interfering with the Investigation." But when Mueller offers pardon for telling him what he likes to hear, that's considered "loyalty to the nation and the truth"? What kind of double standard is that?
The bottom line is that American people elected President Trump, but not Mueller. It's obvious that we should trust American people .
Really? When the majority of the American people who bothered to vote voted AGAINST Trump? You really think that we should trust THEM?
Make America Great Again wrote:
So when President Trump suggests pardon for keeping silence, he is criticized for "interfering with the Investigation." But when Mueller offers pardon for telling him what he likes to hear, that's considered "loyalty to the nation and the truth"? What kind of double standard is that?
The bottom line is that American people elected President Trump, but not Mueller. It's obvious that we should trust American people .
There's a huge difference.
With Mueller, you only get a reduced sentence if you tell the truth. If you lie, the throw the book at you.
Tiny doesn't care if you lie or not. If you protect him you might get a pardon. That's obstruction of justice and witness tampering.
The whole point of the justice system is to find the truth. Mueller is serving the cause of truth and justice. Tiny is not.
Silly Willy wrote:
agip wrote:
yeah I'm pretty sure that was before the dozens of indictments, guilty pleas and convictions, but carry on with your delusion.
Zero (0) regarding anything relating to COLLLLLUUUUSSSSSSSSSIIIIOOOOONNNNN.
Who's delusional again?
Keep those fingers crossed, boys!
Dude, you have your head in the sand. Collusion (conspiracy) is the biggest charge, and Trump is the biggest fish. Prosecutors ALWAYS start small with charges and fish and work their way up the chain. This would be especially true when the biggest fish (Orange Roughy?) is the President who could TRY to do some things to derail if he knew exactly what Mueller had.
It is clear that Trump is a target at this point as is Stone. Stone has pleaded the Fifth. Trump himself said you don't do that if you are innocent and that the "mob" pleads the Fifth.
You HAVE to know that he's a criminal. His behavior isn't rationally explained in any other way. So, you don't care that he's a criminal?
If you actually believe he's not a criminal, then you have some deficiencies, and if that's the case, I will just wish you a good life.
Make America Great Again wrote:
So when President Trump suggests pardon for keeping silence, he is criticized for "interfering with the Investigation." But when Mueller offers pardon for telling him what he likes to hear, that's considered "loyalty to the nation and the truth"? What kind of double standard is that?
The bottom line is that American people elected President Trump, but not Mueller. It's obvious that we should trust American people .
You continue to demonstrate that you are one dumb mofo.
agip wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
The peer pressure is incidental. You haven't told use the reason "Men don't drive cars, in bubbaland".
Bubba loves his truck. And it's not just because all his friends have one.
So what is it about the truck? Why does Bubba drive that truck?
It's because Bubba has a tremendous work ethic. In that culture, a man is measured by his ability to get things done. His truck is a symbol of that work ethic. He might even spend more on his truck than he does on his home. He'd rather have extra towing capacity than a nicer place to live.
Bubba will tell you stories about what he accomplished with his truck. He's proud of the work he does.
And he really hates liberals who think he'd be interested in free college.
it's a symbol, sure. exactly. A symbol. but bubba doesn't use it to work - he just wants it to look like he works, and that he's a very large specimen.
and it's a middle finger to Ds who advise having a smaller carbon footprint.
You are either drunk posting or an idiot. No other choices.
Make America Great Again wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
It's also a signal to witnesses that Tiny is not the only one who can grant a "pardon".
Mueller has shown that loyalty to the nation and to the truth can set you free. Loyalty to the president might get you a pardon down the road, but only if that pardon serves Tiny's self-interest.
Who would you trust?
So when President Trump suggests pardon for keeping silence, he is criticized for "interfering with the Investigation." But when Mueller offers pardon for telling him what he likes to hear, that's considered "loyalty to the nation and the truth"? What kind of double standard is that?
The bottom line is that American people elected President Trump, but not Mueller. It's obvious that we should trust American people .
Dude, you are a troll, and I know that and acknowledge that, but I'll give you 10/10 because I'm going to respond to you anyway. By the way, in the off chance I am wrong that you are a troll, then you are just a raving fool. If that's the case, and you have the ability to, find a way to turn your life around.
1) Trump is a declared subject of the investigation and very likely a target. He can't be tampering with witnesses and/or obstructing justice. Just shows how guilty he is.
2) Mueller isn't suggesting a light sentence for Flynn because Flynn said stuff he "likes to hear". Here's how it went down, brother. Flynn was the first to cooperate. As part of that cooperation, others have come clean and told the truth. How do we know certain things were the truth? Because they all said the same things despite not being told what the others said beforehand...that's how this works. Much of it also very likely has corroborating evidence (paper trail, bank records, etc.).
Example time (all witnesses are interviewed separately and privately):
Mueller: Flynn, tell me in detail any incriminating evidence of which you are aware.
Flynn: [spells out incriminating evidence]
Mueller: Person 2, tell me in detail any incriminating evidence of which you are aware.
Person 2: [spells out incriminating evidence]
Mueller: Person 3, tell me in detail any incriminating evidence of which you are aware.
Person 3: [spells out incriminating evidence]
Mueller to self: Hmm...all of this incriminating evidence gathered independently corroborates. Details match, paper trail matches, records check out. Hmm...seems we can call this the "truth".
Mueller: Manafort, tell me in detail any incriminating evidence of which you are aware.
Manafort: Gives information that does not match what the others said and that has no corroborating evidence.
Mueller: Manafort, you are lying. Our deal is done. No call for leniency from me.
3) You Trumpers are really an awful lot. You believe that the world is just out to get Trump for no reason other than Republicans are victims and Democrats can't handle the fact that they lost the election. Nope! None of that is true. Trump happens to be a criminal who has affected US policy to try to help him line his pockets with money either right now or after he is out of office. Had Jeb Bush been elected President, we wouldn't have any of this...because he is not a criminal.
You backed the wrong horse, brother. He's a criminal and an UBER criminal at that. He WILL be caught. Well, he is likely caught already, but Mueller has to dot and cross all that needs dotting and crossing. You don't go in half-assed with incriminating evidence against the President of the United States. I'm willing to wait as long as it takes.
Just Another LRC Idiot wrote:
banned Pete wrote:
That true statement is independent of the question as to whether it is a good or bad idea to make higher education free, like it is in many European countries.
The basic argument in favour of state-funded college education is that it evens the playing field, allowing people from any background equal access to the same educational opportunities. At present, in the US there is a very significant difference between the education you can get straight out of the hood (maybe a couple of years at third-rate schools, depending on what state you live in) versus the inherited entitlements of a trust fund baby, and this magnifies and perpetuates class differences.
Depending on your point of view, this (the current system in the US) is either a good thing or a bad thing. I'll not weigh in on what y'all ought to do, you can work it out amongst yourselves.
If we offer free college education without fixing K-12 first, it will essentially become a subsidy to middle class at the expense of lower income class. (Those who qualify for college on academic merit, get free education, but others get nothing.) Students from middle and higher income class have much better chances to qualify for college than those from lower classes, even after controlling for their HS GPA and standardized test scores. (And they also have advantage in standardized test, after controlling for natural intelligence.) A short term fix might be to offer everyone free post secondary education, either in college or vocational training. But there must be a long term solution to deal with our K-12 education.
This is true, but I submit it would be a subsidy for middle class people at the expense of lower income people regardless of whether we fix K-12 first. This is why we need to allow free trade school, not just so that anyone who wants can go to them, but also because the trades are where we need the most employees right now, and ALSO because it shows those people who can't go or don't want to go to college that the government and society values their work. We would be in a world of hurt without truck drivers and electricians and construction workers and plumbers and home remodelers and mechanics, etc.
Just Say No wrote:
agip wrote:
it's a symbol, sure. exactly. A symbol. but bubba doesn't use it to work - he just wants it to look like he works, and that he's a very large specimen.
and it's a middle finger to Ds who advise having a smaller carbon footprint.
You are either drunk posting or an idiot. No other choices.
I read the results of a survey where the number one reason conservatives bought a SUV or large truck was to prove climate change wasn't real.
Flagpole wrote:
Just Another LRC Idiot wrote:
If we offer free college education without fixing K-12 first, it will essentially become a subsidy to middle class at the expense of lower income class. (Those who qualify for college on academic merit, get free education, but others get nothing.) Students from middle and higher income class have much better chances to qualify for college than those from lower classes, even after controlling for their HS GPA and standardized test scores. (And they also have advantage in standardized test, after controlling for natural intelligence.) A short term fix might be to offer everyone free post secondary education, either in college or vocational training. But there must be a long term solution to deal with our K-12 education.
This is true, but I submit it would be a subsidy for middle class people at the expense of lower income people regardless of whether we fix K-12 first. This is why we need to allow free trade school, not just so that anyone who wants can go to them, but also because the trades are where we need the most employees right now, and ALSO because it shows those people who can't go or don't want to go to college that the government and society values their work. We would be in a world of hurt without truck drivers and electricians and construction workers and plumbers and home remodelers and mechanics, etc.
We shouldn't set up free trades schools because we don't want to hurt someone's feelings. Are you that dumb?
Yow wrote:
We shouldn't set up free trades schools because we don't want to hurt someone's feelings. Are you that dumb?
We? How dumb are you? A: IQ45 level dumb, like Trump.
agip wrote:
yeah I'm pretty sure that was before the dozens of indictments, guilty pleas and convictions, but carry on with your delusion.
By your logic, since Bill Clinton was found lying about Monica Lewinsky, that means the Whitewhatever Investigation proved what it alleged?
Although the Whitewater Investigation was legit since it had an alleged crime. In Russiagate there is no alleged crime. It's just a broad investigation that has created crimes (perjury traps) along the way and found unrelated crimes (e.g. tax fraud).
jamin wrote:
agip wrote:
yeah I'm pretty sure that was before the dozens of indictments, guilty pleas and convictions, but carry on with your delusion.
. In Russiagate there is no alleged crime. It's just a broad investigation that has created crimes (perjury traps) along the way and found unrelated crimes (e.g. tax fraud).
no. no. Russiagate was started to find the influence of russia on the 2016 election and connections between russia and the trump campaign. It has found exactly that, over and over again.
Yeah it has also found other things.
Whitewater found that there were no provable crimes by the clintons there.
It also found other things.
Same with Benghazi - it found HRC did nothing wrong about Benghazi, but it found other things.
Russiagate actually found the influence of russia on the election and connected crimes.
You need to think a level deeper.
jamin wrote:
agip wrote:
yeah I'm pretty sure that was before the dozens of indictments, guilty pleas and convictions, but carry on with your delusion.
By your logic, since Bill Clinton was found lying about Monica Lewinsky, that means the Whitewhatever Investigation proved what it alleged?
Although the Whitewater Investigation was legit since it had an alleged crime. In Russiagate there is no alleged crime. It's just a broad investigation that has created crimes (perjury traps) along the way and found unrelated crimes (e.g. tax fraud).
Perjury traps? Is that where they force you to drink anti-truth serum before interrogating you?
The Trapper wrote:
jamin wrote:
By your logic, since Bill Clinton was found lying about Monica Lewinsky, that means the Whitewhatever Investigation proved what it alleged?
Although the Whitewater Investigation was legit since it had an alleged crime. In Russiagate there is no alleged crime. It's just a broad investigation that has created crimes (perjury traps) along the way and found unrelated crimes (e.g. tax fraud).
Perjury traps? Is that where they force you to drink anti-truth serum before interrogating you?
It's interesting that Trumpers keep whining about perjury traps.
An actual perjury trap is a form of prosecutorial misconduct. If Mueller was setting perjury traps then these defendants could get off Scot free and there would be just cause to fire Mueller.
But not a single one of Mueller's defendants has even suggested "perjury trap" as a defense.
Yow wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
This is true, but I submit it would be a subsidy for middle class people at the expense of lower income people regardless of whether we fix K-12 first. This is why we need to allow free trade school, not just so that anyone who wants can go to them, but also because the trades are where we need the most employees right now, and ALSO because it shows those people who can't go or don't want to go to college that the government and society values their work. We would be in a world of hurt without truck drivers and electricians and construction workers and plumbers and home remodelers and mechanics, etc.
We shouldn't set up free trades schools because we don't want to hurt someone's feelings. Are you that dumb?
I didn't say it was so that we didn't hurt their feelings. Good grief. Society benefits as a whole when all citizens are valued regardless of race, color, sexual orientation, gender, or choice of vocation.
We don't even need to PAY people equally because some jobs require more work or education or are highly skilled and those people deserve more pay, but we should all work to respect each other more...assuming they aren't a lying criminal like Trump. You need to think of all potential societal changes as a move toward utopia.
jamin wrote:
agip wrote:
yeah I'm pretty sure that was before the dozens of indictments, guilty pleas and convictions, but carry on with your delusion.
By your logic, since Bill Clinton was found lying about Monica Lewinsky, that means the Whitewhatever Investigation proved what it alleged?
Although the Whitewater Investigation was legit since it had an alleged crime. In Russiagate there is no alleged crime. It's just a broad investigation that has created crimes (perjury traps) along the way and found unrelated crimes (e.g. tax fraud).
1) There was an alleged crime -- Russian interference into our election. This has been borne out to be true.
2) Rosenstein gave Mueller the authority to follow leads to any other potential crimes during the investigation - "...with authority to investigate Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections, including exploring any links or coordination between Trump's 2016 presidential campaign and the Russian government, 'any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation'".
3) Mueller has actually been very conservative here and has farmed out crimes to other offices that don't directly meet the main objective, even though he probably didn't need to.
I hope you don't respond much more in this thread. Even though I have the heart of a teacher, I don't feel like educating you on a regular basis.