Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

Thisthreadisridiculous wrote:

TTH wrote:

You can use as many handles as you wish to express how little you understand about the investigation.

Okay dude, unless you have a clearance with need to know knowledge; you rely on the media for your opinion.

Thanks for confirming...um...dude

Tiny just admitted that he was working on the Moscow deal during the campaign.

Runningart2004 wrote:

If all Mueller has is testimony from flipped sources like Manafort and Cohen then he can say they were just lying.

Even if there is a smoking gun his supporters will still support him.

Testimony of liars is not all that Mueller has.

He asks them questions. They lie. Then he produces evidence to the contrary and charges them with lying to the FBI.

Guilty pleas or verdicts from Flynn, PapaD, Gates and Manafort.

Plus there is a lot of other solid evidence.

Trump gave written statements. Possibly about his knowledge of Jr's meeting and such. And I am sure Mueller has contrary evidence. That would be an impeachable crime. (convictable is another thing)

To your second point, totally true.

There is nothing that will dissuade his supporters.

They are fine with him being guilty and getting away with things.

L L wrote:

Runningart2004 wrote:

If all Mueller has is testimony from flipped sources like Manafort and Cohen then he can say they were just lying.

Even if there is a smoking gun his supporters will still support him.

Testimony of liars is not all that Mueller has.

He asks them questions. They lie. Then he produces evidence to the contrary and charges them with lying to the FBI.

Guilty pleas or verdicts from Flynn, PapaD, Gates and Manafort.

Plus there is a lot of other solid evidence.

Trump gave written statements. Possibly about his knowledge of Jr's meeting and such. And I am sure Mueller has contrary evidence. That would be an impeachable crime. (convictable is another thing)

To your second point, totally true.

There is nothing that will dissuade his supporters.

They are fine with him being guilty and getting away with things.

I think what Alan posted is mostly correct and on the second point that is absolutely true. Problem is Trump's "supporters" include lawmakers who would be involved in any impeachment process. The Party has shifted towards Trump nearly completely and the Republican Party...longterm...is likely to pay for this for many years even if the results are not shown for a decade or so.

Fat hurts wrote:

Tiny just admitted that he was working on the Moscow deal during the campaign.

We're did tweety-bird do that?

agip wrote:

So. Trumpers.

Trump has committed illegal acts all his life, he surrounded himself with criminals in business, he did business with criminals all his life, and many of his campaign colleagues are criminals.

But your stance is that Trump is not a criminal president.

Ok.

Have fun with that for now. It's all ending.

Who are you talking to?

Hoo wrote:

agip wrote:

So. Trumpers.

Trump has committed illegal acts all his life, he surrounded himself with criminals in business, he did business with criminals all his life, and many of his campaign colleagues are criminals.

But your stance is that Trump is not a criminal president.

Ok.

Have fun with that for now. It's all ending.

Who are you talking to?

you. So I don't spew this stuff onto Facebook and become one of those guys.

the question is if losing the House will matter. It might, if it's 2019, mueller has shown trump to be a common white collar criminal and conspirator against the USA, and it looks like in 2020 the Rs will lose the senate and the WH.

At that point, the elected Rs might care.

Although probably not, since they would just be primaried by MAGAs if they go against Caded Bone Spurs.

agip wrote:

The Fokus wrote:

I think what Alan posted is mostly correct and on the second point that is absolutely true. Problem is Trump's "supporters" include lawmakers who would be involved in any impeachment process. The Party has shifted towards Trump nearly completely and the Republican Party...longterm...is likely to pay for this for many years even if the results are not shown for a decade or so.

the question is if losing the House will matter. It might, if it's 2019, mueller has shown trump to be a common white collar criminal and conspirator against the USA, and it looks like in 2020 the Rs will lose the senate and the WH.

At that point, the elected Rs might care.

Although probably not, since they would just be primaried by MAGAs if they go against Caded Bone Spurs.

I mean at some point the ballot box has to matter.

This sort of thing:

By the numbers, the 2018 results in the House were the worst for any first-term Republican president in over 80 years.

'18 - R- 40

'02 - R+8

'90 - R-7

'82 - R-26

'70 - R-12

'52 - R-22

agip wrote:

the question is if losing the House will matter. It might, if it's 2019, mueller has shown trump to be a common white collar criminal and conspirator against the USA, and it looks like in 2020 the Rs will lose the senate and the WH.

At that point, the elected Rs might care.

Although probably not, since they would just be primaried by MAGAs if they go against Caded Bone Spurs.

It will eventually matter which is what I meant by saying long term. Short term, Trump-lites will or may continue to be elected by those Trump appeals to in enough pockets throughout the country that it keeps the Trump-liters viable while a good deal of the country moves back towards a more centrist right along with the traditional and center left. For the RParty that may take a while to pull out of completely.

The Fokus wrote:

agip wrote:

the question is if losing the House will matter. It might, if it's 2019, mueller has shown trump to be a common white collar criminal and conspirator against the USA, and it looks like in 2020 the Rs will lose the senate and the WH.

At that point, the elected Rs might care.

Although probably not, since they would just be primaried by MAGAs if they go against Caded Bone Spurs.

It will eventually matter which is what I meant by saying long term. Short term, Trump-lites will or may continue to be elected by those Trump appeals to in enough pockets throughout the country that it keeps the Trump-liters viable while a good deal of the country moves back towards a more centrist right along with the traditional and center left. For the RParty that may take a while to pull out of completely.

unless...unless....Trump was a one-time phenomenon. His TV show celebrity, his sales ability, his wealth, his charisma...unless that is all the deplorables really cared about from the start. And when Spanks is gone, Trump voters will just vote for whoever they most want to have a beer with, abandoning all the M@GA politics. Because the beer thing seems to be how we elect presidents in this country, not by policy concerns.

Obvi all that really matters are the purple voters - Rs will always vote R and Ds will always vote D. But I suspect there are millions of dumb-ash people who voted for Trump because of his special personality. Not for policy. And those people will not support trump-lite candidates.

I mean, remember the Tea Party? That whole thing disappeared in a nano-second. As could Trumpism.

The Fokus wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

Tiny just admitted that he was working on the Moscow deal during the campaign.

We're did tweety-bird do that?

This morning on camera, he said:

We had a position to possibly do a deal, to build a building of some kind in Moscow,”

This was while he was trying to convince us all that he had nothing to do with Russia.

agip wrote:

I mean, remember the Tea Party? That whole thing disappeared in a nano-second. As could Trumpism.

Certainly could happen. I expect Trumpism to stick around with a certain profile of voters and politicians who appeal to that profile to win in at least pockets of the country enough to be a pain in the arse to the Party general for some time after the boob in charge is gone.

Fat hurts wrote:

The Fokus wrote:

We're did tweety-bird do that?

This morning on camera, he said:

We had a position to possibly do a deal, to build a building of some kind in Moscow,”

This was while he was trying to convince us all that he had nothing to do with Russia.

I saw the tweets where he was saying he had nothing to do with Russia. NOTHING! but I hadn't seen this one.

The guy is a baffoon.

agip wrote:

agip wrote:

the question is if losing the House will matter. It might, if it's 2019, mueller has shown trump to be a common white collar criminal and conspirator against the USA, and it looks like in 2020 the Rs will lose the senate and the WH.

At that point, the elected Rs might care.

Although probably not, since they would just be primaried by MAGAs if they go against Caded Bone Spurs.

I mean at some point the ballot box has to matter.

This sort of thing:

By the numbers, the 2018 results in the House were the worst for any first-term Republican president in over 80 years.

'18 - R- 40

'02 - R+8

'90 - R-7

'82 - R-26

'70 - R-12

'52 - R-22

Nice selective cut-off. What about in the last 108 years?

'30 - R-52

'26 - R-9

'22 - R -77

1910 - R-56

'18 - R- 40

'02 - R+8

'90 - R-7

'82 - R-26

'70 - R-12

'52 - R-22

If you look at the median results for 1st terms Democratic POTUS in the same 80 year period, it is 47 seats lost. 7 fewer than Trump!!!! OMG!!!!!

Obama lost 63 House seats and 6 Senate seats and he is widely considered one of the best POTUS. Clinton, another one of the best POTUS ever, lost 54 and 10.

The forgettable Jimmy Carter only lost 15 House seats.

What does it all mean? Stats are malleable (and you are an idiot for hitting "Submit Post").

agip wrote:

So. Clintonettes.

HRC has committed illegal acts all his life, she surrounded himself with criminals in business, she did business with criminals all her life, and many of her campaign colleagues are criminals.

But your stance is that Hillary is not a criminal wanna be president.

Ok.

Have fun with that for now. It's all ending for Hillary.

LOL. Fixed it for ya!

Fat hurts wrote:

Tiny Bill and Hillary both just admitted that they were working on the Moscow deal during her failed campaign.

True!

agip wrote:

I mean, remember the Tea Party? That whole thing disappeared in a nano-second. As could Trumpism.

They didn't disappear. They re-branded to become the Freedom Caucus.

Trumpism is actually bigger than the Tea Party/Freedom Caucus which consisted of mostly the same people.

Trumpism has all of them voting for him plus a whole block of racists and uneducated people that didn't vote much before.

One group likes his tax and regulation policies and the other group likes his rhetoric.

The entirety of that group is what makes it so hard to take him down.