Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

PIO! wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

As a blanket statement, you are both wrong. As we stand here today in 2018 in the United States, it is news and rightly so if the President has an affair while in office, so that would be all of business...sets up the President for all kinds of things including blackmail.

It was fair to hear about Bill Clinton's supposed affairs leading up to his election. It was fair to hear about Gary Hart, and when they jump into that public arena, those kinds of things are our business. If they are having trouble in their marriage, we don't really need to know that, but affairs are a different thing.

In the Conways' case, sorry, but it is news. SHE is an unwavering staunch supporter of his, lying and deflecting all the way. Her husband, who IS a political person...wanted to work for Trump at one point...has a very different opposing view. In THIS atmosphere with the craziness in THIS White House, this is news and our business. Now, to be honest, I don't really care too much about the Conway situation, but they are both public figures, and they speak freely and publicly about their opinions, so it is fair to bring up questions about their marriage...just as it was with James Carville and Mary Matalin.

INCORRECT!

You seem to have trouble differentiating between gossip and news. No worries, many have similar intellectual limitations.

Flagpole wrote:

well, actually wrote:

Actually, Trump will come out ahead on this. No one thought they would be able to ban Acosta. However, it brought Jim Acosta and CNN into the national spotlight and debate again.

Trump plants another seed in a lot of people’s mind about Acosta and CNN’s agenda. Acosta will be held to a higher level now and not be able to lecture at briefings. And it opens the door for rules to be created regarding briefings. These rules would not have been able to be implemented without the now public display by Acosta.

Thanks to Acosta there WILL be some limitations put on the press and now CNN has told Acosta to tone it down.

In the end, Trump got what he wanted.

Nope. He lost here. He didn't get what he wanted. It is more clear now that judges, even ones appointed by Trump himself, will go with the rule of law and not Trump's whim, and it just shows how petty and immature Trump and his administration is. Just one more thing that Trump and his administration will be on the wrong side of history on.

You don't understand wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

Nope. He lost here. He didn't get what he wanted. It is more clear now that judges, even ones appointed by Trump himself, will go with the rule of law and not Trump's whim, and it just shows how petty and immature Trump and his administration is. Just one more thing that Trump and his administration will be on the wrong side of history on.

I disagree. Trump is great at priming people. It's a great psychological tactic that can put thoughts in people's minds that they would not normally have. "Lock her up, "fake news," etc. have all worked for him by putting those thoughts in a lot of people's heads to question "is she really a criminal" or "is there really a bias in news," "are they just making things up?"

Kamala Harris did a great job of this in a recent cIip I heard. I think it was an interview of a possible head of ICE. She asked him something like "Some people have compared ICE to the KKK. I don't take this position, but what are you going to do to promote a better image for ICE." Now she has created an association between the KKK and ICE that people never would have created themselves. It was a great tactic by her.

If you listen to Trump, he does this all the time. It's disgusting, but it works. He did this with Acosta now. People will now question Acosta's motives and the veracity of his reporting now that the perception of bias has been introduced on such a public scale.

As the other poster said, the likely result will be rules set up by the WH that will limit the freedom of the press in briefings all in the name of decorum.

Unfortunately, it will be a net win for Trump.

Trollminator wrote:

You don't understand wrote:

I disagree. Trump is great at priming people. It's a great psychological tactic that can put thoughts in people's minds that they would not normally have. "Lock her up, "fake news," etc. have all worked for him by putting those thoughts in a lot of people's heads to question "is she really a criminal" or "is there really a bias in news," "are they just making things up?"

Kamala Harris did a great job of this in a recent cIip I heard. I think it was an interview of a possible head of ICE. She asked him something like "Some people have compared ICE to the KKK. I don't take this position, but what are you going to do to promote a better image for ICE." Now she has created an association between the KKK and ICE that people never would have created themselves. It was a great tactic by her.

If you listen to Trump, he does this all the time. It's disgusting, but it works. He did this with Acosta now. People will now question Acosta's motives and the veracity of his reporting now that the perception of bias has been introduced on such a public scale.

As the other poster said, the likely result will be rules set up by the WH that will limit the freedom of the press in briefings all in the name of decorum.

Unfortunately, it will be a net win for Trump.

You’re making it sound more sophisticated than it is, and giving him too much credit. It’s much simpler than that - Trump just repeats statements supporting extreme identity politics and biases. Also, if this was 2000 or 1990 or 2008 Trump would not have had any shot at winning with these strategies. He’s not a brilliant person by any means and he probably hasn’t understood why it has worked. It will soon be soon proven he only knows this strategy, which will no longer work in a couple of years. It’s already proving to be less effective. Also, you keep forgetting a huge chunk of the mouth breathers don’t actually even think about what he says or does, he has their vote regardless because he’s a Republican.

agip wrote:

Trollminator wrote:

You’re making it sound more sophisticated than it is, and giving him too much credit. It’s much simpler than that - Trump just repeats statements supporting extreme identity politics and biases. Also, if this was 2000 or 1990 or 2008 Trump would not have had any shot at winning with these strategies. He’s not a brilliant person by any means and he probably hasn’t understood why it has worked. It will soon be soon proven he only knows this strategy, which will no longer work in a couple of years. It’s already proving to be less effective. Also, you keep forgetting a huge chunk of the mouth breathers don’t actually even think about what he says or does, he has their vote regardless because he’s a Republican.

Don't forget Trump is one of the world's great sales guys - he's been selling stuff with his personality for 40 years. He can read a room, he know how to say things to inspire confidence, he knows how to close a sale. I'm in sales - the guy is a master at selling to low IQ people, longing for meaning and order in their lives.

All campaigning is sales to some extent - except most politicians are selling some form of reality. Trump is selling a fantasy, a myth, a made-up world. Which sort of makes it easier for him - he can say anything. Whereas other politicians have to be tethered to the real world. That's how good a sales guy Trump is. He can sell dreams.

Tyrone ReXXXing wrote:

agip wrote:

Don't forget Trump is one of the world's great sales guys - he's been selling stuff with his personality for 40 years. He can read a room, he know how to say things to inspire confidence, he knows how to close a sale. I'm in sales - the guy is a master at selling to low IQ people, longing for meaning and order in their lives.

All campaigning is sales to some extent - except most politicians are selling some form of reality. Trump is selling a fantasy, a myth, a made-up world. Which sort of makes it easier for him - he can say anything. Whereas other politicians have to be tethered to the real world. That's how good a sales guy Trump is. He can sell dreams.

I agree somewhat with you, and somewhat I don't.

Does Trump have a good personality for selling people on certain things, for selling himself, for getting some groups to believe in him? Yes. He's got confidence, bravado, some level of wit ( he can be quick with the "comeback" or putdown), and at times packages his actions well. However....

much of his "success" is simply due to his Daddy's $. Never forget this. His inheritance, his being brought into the family business, and constant bailing out by Daddy when things got rough are nearly the whole reason he is viewed as this super-rich, super successful businessman/salesman by so many. His limited "talent" (which I describe above) played only a small role in this. If he didn't start with all the financial help, and being constantly bailed out, he likely would have amounted to nothing special.

Do you think George W. Bush was smart, witty, and a great salesman? No, of course, not. But he made millions in "business" (Texas Rangers) after failing spectacularly many times, because......his family name, family connections, and some family $. Family lawyer bailed him out after being investigated by SEC for insider trading. Family got him out of 'Nam, and out of AWOL trouble. He got a huge loan (from a bank he sat on the board on!) because of his name (huge in Texas) and only had to invest a very small amount of his own $ into the Rangers for a good share. Anyone else would not have gotten that deal. And THAT was his one big "success" before becoming Governor. Before that he was just a drunk. Daddy, Daddy, Daddy. Same with Trump (minus the drunk).

Do you think Kylie Jenner is "one of the world's great sales (gals) " ?

Well, she is almost a billionaire at age 21. Read that again. Or do you think it's mostly because of the fortuitous circumstances of family name/connections, looks, and social media obsessions? Sure, she started a make-up company, good for her. And she apparently has been savvy promoting her looks/family/make-up. But a billionaire at 21?? She's mainly ridiculously lucky. Like Trump.

agip wrote:

Tyrone ReXXXing wrote:

I agree somewhat with you, and somewhat I don't.

Does Trump have a good personality for selling people on certain things, for selling himself, for getting some groups to believe in him? Yes. He's got confidence, bravado, some level of wit ( he can be quick with the "comeback" or putdown), and at times packages his actions well. However....

much of his "success" is simply due to his Daddy's $. Never forget this. His inheritance, his being brought into the family business, and constant bailing out by Daddy when things got rough are nearly the whole reason he is viewed as this super-rich, super successful businessman/salesman by so many. His limited "talent" (which I describe above) played only a small role in this. If he didn't start with all the financial help, and being constantly bailed out, he likely would have amounted to nothing special.

Do you think George W. Bush was smart, witty, and a great salesman? No, of course, not. But he made millions in "business" (Texas Rangers) after failing spectacularly many times, because......his family name, family connections, and some family $. Family lawyer bailed him out after being investigated by SEC for insider trading. Family got him out of 'Nam, and out of AWOL trouble. He got a huge loan (from a bank he sat on the board on!) because of his name (huge in Texas) and only had to invest a very small amount of his own $ into the Rangers for a good share. Anyone else would not have gotten that deal. And THAT was his one big "success" before becoming Governor. Before that he was just a drunk. Daddy, Daddy, Daddy. Same with Trump (minus the drunk).

Do you think Kylie Jenner is "one of the world's great sales (gals) " ?

Well, she is almost a billionaire at age 21. Read that again. Or do you think it's mostly because of the fortuitous circumstances of family name/connections, looks, and social media obsessions? Sure, she started a make-up company, good for her. And she apparently has been savvy promoting her looks/family/make-up. But a billionaire at 21?? She's mainly ridiculously lucky. Like Trump.

I don't think Trump is a zero, propped up only by his family money. Sure, that's how he got started. But Trump made something of himself. He became one of the most famous and rich people in the world. He has had careers in multiple businesses.

And by your logic, every child of multi-millionaire would be a huge success. Obviously that's not true - it's rare for a child of a rich person to do well.

Trump is a successful person, and he did it on his own terms. He could not have done it without his parents' money. Or by cheating on taxes. But he did it. He's not a zero.

Flagpole wrote:

PIO! wrote:

INCORRECT!

You seem to have trouble differentiating between gossip and news. No worries, many have similar intellectual limitations.

No I don't. When the Conways say very different (VERY DIFFERENT) things about Donald Trump when Kellyanne works for him, and then Kellyanne mentions that she finds his comments about Trump, "disrespectful", that is not gossip.

She said this - "I feel there's a part of him that thinks I chose Donald Trump over him," Kellyanne said to The Post. "Which is ridiculous. One is my work and one is my marriage."

"It is disrespectful, it's a violation of basic decency, certainly, if not marital vows," she said.

She and he brought this out into the open. Not gossip. Two very politically connected people (one of whom is VERY close toe Trump) who happen to be married who have said recent conflicting things about the President. Sorry, but it's news. Again, I'm not terribly interested in it, but it is news, not gossip.

Trollminator wrote:

You don't understand wrote:

I disagree. Trump is great at priming people. It's a great psychological tactic that can put thoughts in people's minds that they would not normally have. "Lock her up, "fake news," etc. have all worked for him by putting those thoughts in a lot of people's heads to question "is she really a criminal" or "is there really a bias in news," "are they just making things up?"

Kamala Harris did a great job of this in a recent cIip I heard. I think it was an interview of a possible head of ICE. She asked him something like "Some people have compared ICE to the KKK. I don't take this position, but what are you going to do to promote a better image for ICE." Now she has created an association between the KKK and ICE that people never would have created themselves. It was a great tactic by her.

If you listen to Trump, he does this all the time. It's disgusting, but it works. He did this with Acosta now. People will now question Acosta's motives and the veracity of his reporting now that the perception of bias has been introduced on such a public scale.

As the other poster said, the likely result will be rules set up by the WH that will limit the freedom of the press in briefings all in the name of decorum.

Unfortunately, it will be a net win for Trump.

You’re making it sound more sophisticated than it is, and giving him too much credit. It’s much simpler than that - Trump just repeats statements supporting extreme identity politics and biases. Also, if this was 2000 or 1990 or 2008 Trump would not have had any shot at winning with these strategies. He’s not a brilliant person by any means and he probably hasn’t understood why it has worked. It will soon be soon proven he only knows this strategy, which will no longer work in a couple of years. It’s already proving to be less effective. Also, you keep forgetting a huge chunk of the mouth breathers don’t actually even think about what he says or does, he has their vote regardless because he’s a Republican.