Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

Fat hurts wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

I see this kind of thing happening:

Senate - Mr. President, we have the votes to convict and remove you.

Trump - What if I resign? Can we make a deal that I won't be indicted?

Senate, Mueller, lawyers - Let's begin discussions.

The Senate can not grant such a deal!!!

The Senate simply can't do that. It does not have power over indictments.

Nothing written that says they can, but where there are lawyers and courts, anything can be attempted, and they will attempt this. It is going to be really bad, and impeachment and conviction is a certainty, so Trump either faces that or he resigns. He will not resign without something in it for him. Sometimes things are done for the good of the country, so getting him out of office is the main thing. Do we allow him to skate on criminal charges after he is out of office? I can see that happening in some way. Precedent gets set when something is done for the first time. This might be the first time.

Fat hurts wrote:

Cheeto Benito wrote:

Has Trump been firing a lot of generals and putting loyalists in their place? Do you think if he did that he might have a lower approval rating amongst the military? Basically he's not likely to be in a position to leverage his popularity with the military to stage a coup!

I hope you are right.

But I also know that this sort of thing happens. It happened in Russia under Putin. It just recently happened in China under Xi. It may happen here under Trump.

You are gambling that everyone in government will suddenly come to their senses and stand up to Trump. So far, there is no movement on that front.

Russia and China are oppressive regimes. No one can say never here in the US, but I think your concern is a bit over the top.

I disagree that there is no movement. We have seen fewer and fewer Republicans defending Trump. They are mostly silent of late. Movement has gone from out front vocal defense to silence. When the Mueller report comes out, you will see silence to anti-Trump movement even among Republicans.

His approval rating is dropping. Rigged isn't as vocal, and where is Gary? The fire to defend him is being extinguished, and that will continue.

PIO! wrote:

Long Time Trump Hater Here wrote:

I am pretty much on flagpole's side, but this thread was much improved when he took his very short, much too short, break. He feels the need to attempt to dominate any thread he gets on and repeats himself constantly. It's really hard to bear.

Flagpole do yourself and everyone else on this thread a big favor and take another break. You know, because as you always tell us, you have such a fulfilling life without letsrun. please prove it.

1) You are a liar claiming to be "pretty much on flagpole's side."

2) This thread was pretty much dead when Flagpole took his break.

3) Since you and/or others will claim that I am Flagpole (I am not) I feel obligated to shout:

WEJO, CHECK MY IP. IF I AM FLAGPOLE THEN BAN ME FOR LIFE!!!!! Or something like that.

CORRECT!

No, this book won't take Trump down, Mueller will, or the SDNY will. The books are just a pile on that help a little with potential voters (including the 2018 midterms), but Trump will be taken down because of his criminal behavior, not his erratic behavior.

Flagpole wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

The Senate can not grant such a deal!!!

The Senate simply can't do that. It does not have power over indictments.

Nothing written that says they can, but where there are lawyers and courts, anything can be attempted, and they will attempt this. It is going to be really bad, and impeachment and conviction is a certainty, so Trump either faces that or he resigns. He will not resign without something in it for him. Sometimes things are done for the good of the country, so getting him out of office is the main thing. Do we allow him to skate on criminal charges after he is out of office? I can see that happening in some way. Precedent gets set when something is done for the first time. This might be the first time.

The only way he skates away from indictments is if he is pardoned by Pence.

The senate can't make a deal like that and Trump's people wouldn't let him agree to something so blatantly unconstitutional. Why? Because such a deal would not be binding.

I wouldn't want Trump to accept a bogus deal like that. As bad as we need to get rid of Trump, it needs to be done above board.

UnbiasedReader wrote:

Democrats are throwing a hissy fit at the Kavanaugh hearing.

Nothing better than watching hillary lovers continue to have meltdowns!!!!!

Agree

JAMIN wrote:

UnbiasedReader wrote:

REPUBLICANS are throwing a hissy fit cause WOODWARD'S BOOK.

Nothing better than watching TRUMP lovers continue to have meltdowns!!!!!

Agree

+2

Dude, what are you smoking? Collusion (conspiracy) has for sure happened, and we have tons of evidence that it has...and this is just what we know. Obstruction of justice? Brother, Trump openly obstructs justice frequently. Even in this investigation, we have seen that Mueller and his team have not leaked...just one day there is news from his team that no one knew was coming. You are crazy if you think the bad stuff about Trump would have come out by now.

Trump will be shown to have done the following:

Money laundering

Obstruction of Justice

Conspiracy with Russia to win the election

Bank Fraud and/or wire fraud

Emoluments clause violation

Felony Campaign Finance law violation

Some sort of hacking law violation

and other things

You are a fool to believe otherwise.

UnbiasedReader wrote:

Democrats are throwing a hissy fit at the Kavanaugh hearing.

Nothing better than watching hillary lovers continue to have meltdowns!!!!!

So old

XY wrote:

UnbiasedReader wrote:

Republicans are throwing a hissy fit.

Nothing better than watching Trump lovers continue to have meltdowns!!!!!

So old

Again, is so old.

You're a fool FP to think he'll be impeached. You need to talk to your wife or boyfriend, get off this thread as you're getting redundant beyond belief.

XY is now starting to make sense. Being Flagpole's b*tch is not a good role for XY, unless he likes it?

I'm a fool to think he'll will not be impeached. I need to talk to jamin, my boyfriend, get off with him as I'm getting redundant beyond belief.

—HardLoper

agip wrote:

Awsi Dooger wrote:

Kavanuagh is going but be confirmed but gad what a lowlife. This act demonstrates it best of all.

I guess it's no surprise that a cowardly no-class president would nominate such a gutless man to Supreme Court:

https://twitter.com/davidhogg111/status/1037045931399688193

I'll give Kav a pass on this - some dude approaches you, is obviously doing a publicity stunt...you are supposed to be an impartial judge, millions of people watching you...I can't blame Kav for not trusting the approacher.

I agree. Crazy people out there these days.

XY wrote:

I'm a fool to think he'll will not be impeached. I need to talk to jamin, my boyfriend, get off with him as I'm getting redundant beyond belief.

—Flagpole

Agreed.

XY wrote:

I'm a fool to think he'll will not be impeached. I need to talk to jamin, my boyfriend, get off with him as I'm getting redundant beyond belief.

—HardLoper

Hi Flagpole

Here is the current 538 table on how many seats Democrats can be expected to gain based on generic House margin nationwide. From site to site I have seen many right wingers try to deflect with the notion that Democrats "might pick up a few seats." It is incomparable lazy ignorance. The mathematical realities have completely shifted this cycles, due to so many Republican incumbents who retired once they sensed the national slant was against them. Consequently, instead of being able to win with 46% -- like Trump -- Republicans would likely lose many House seats even if the national House vote is dead even, let alone the ongoing projected margin of 5+ points for Democrats, which is obviously subject to change and right now closer to 9 points.

BTW, neither party has ever held the House while managing less than 47% of the national popular vote in the House:

(I hope this formats decently here. Difficult to tell without a Preview option)

POPULAR VOTE MARGIN........PROJECTED SEAT GAIN.............CHANCE OF WINNING HOUSE

14-15 point lead........................+66...........................................>99%

13-14.......................................+61...........................................>99%

12-13.......................................+56...........................................>99%

11-12.......................................+51...........................................>99%

10-11.......................................+46...........................................>99%

9-10.........................................+41...........................................>99%

8-9..........................................+36............................................98%

7-8..........................................+32............................................92%

6-7..........................................+27............................................78%

5-6..........................................+24............................................56%

4-5..........................................+20............................................29%

3-4..........................................+16............................................11%

2-3.........................................+13.............................................. 3%

1-2.........................................+10.............................................

I don't know why that table didn't paste fully. It looked fine before posting. But not too bad.

To clean up, the likelihood of Democrats winning the House with only a 1-2 point national popular vote margin is

An unconventional President ends with unconventional means. I say that's above board if lawyers and all involved say it is. Perhaps they will say they not, but I don't think we can say that just yet.