Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

Senates wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

Uh, the Senate has no say in pardons. The Senate can't accept or deny a pardon. Whether or not a president can pardon himself would be left up to the Supreme Court.

The Senate also has no way to accept or reject the resignation. If the president wants to quit, nobody can stop him.

I think part of the point is that Trump will try to pardon himself for misdeeds he has yet to commit. The Senate is the lawmaking body of Congress. They would certainly have to chime in on such an attempt by a President.

The Senate would not and could not do anything in that case.

The only legislative remedy would be a constitutional amendment passed by both houses. But that wouldn't happen. The Supreme Court would have its say. The Senate would do nothing at all.

PIO! wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

BTW, Trump will not resign. Trump is an autocrat and autocrats don't resign.

There are only three ways that autocrats leave office.

They either rule for life, get thrown in prison, or they are taken out back and shot.

Your post implies that Trump will either rule for life, get thrown in prison, or get taken out back and shot.

I suggest that the combined probability that any of these occur is under 10%.

There is actually a fourth option for autocrats that I forgot about. It is "escape to exile". Maybe Russia would take him.

So the four ways the Trump presidency could end are:

1. Trump dies in office

2. Trump is thrown in prison

3. Trump escapes into exile

4. Trump is taken out back and shot

Those are the only four options. They have a combined 100% probability.

Fat hurts wrote:

PIO! wrote:

Your post implies that Trump will either rule for life, get thrown in prison, or get taken out back and shot.

I suggest that the combined probability that any of these occur is under 10%.

There is actually a fourth option for autocrats that I forgot about. It is "escape to exile". Maybe Russia would take him.

So the four ways the Trump presidency could end are:

1. Trump dies in office

2. Trump is thrown in prison

3. Trump escapes into exile

4. Trump is taken out back and shot

Those are the only four options. They have a combined 100% probability.

you are giving zero probability to Trump walking away after losing an election in 2020 or finishing 2 terms in 2024?

zero? honestly?

Resignation scenario:

They are coming close to charges on Jr, Eric and Ivanka.

And compiling fraud and tax evasion charges on Sr.

If resigning gets him out of all of that and he can go back to his usual businesses, he’ll take that.

The other choice would be to beat a Senate conviction, which he could do.

But then get voted out about a year and a half later but with his family and reputation destroyed.

You can’t forget that Cohen, Trump’s CFO and the National Enquirer CEO all may have the goods on him and all are flipping.

Trump will serve two full terms. That is the correct answer and liberal heads will keep exploding.

Meanwhile, the economy is robust, unemployment is dropping to levels not seen since 1969. China is weakening during this trade war, the Yuan is devaluing vs US dollar. President Xi's support in China is beginning to fray. He knows he cannot retaliate forever for as long as we can. We will make China tap out. America will win.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-rampaging-us-economy-is-pushing-unemployment-to-lowest-level-since-1960s-2018-09-01

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/tariff-fight-adds-chinas-economic-challenges-57573278

If the Yuan is devaluing vs the USD, that means Chinese goods are cheaper to buy and American businesses and consumers would prefer things made in China over made in America.

L L wrote:

Resignation scenario:

They are coming close to charges on Jr, Eric and Ivanka.

And compiling fraud and tax evasion charges on Sr.

If resigning gets him out of all of that and he can go back to his usual businesses, he’ll take that.

The other choice would be to beat a Senate conviction, which he could do.

But then get voted out about a year and a half later but with his family and reputation destroyed.

You can’t forget that Cohen, Trump’s CFO and the National Enquirer CEO all may have the goods on him and all are flipping.

Your imagination is running amok. He truly lives in your head 24 X 7.

L L wrote:

If the Yuan is devaluing vs the USD, that means Chinese goods are cheaper to buy and American businesses and consumers would prefer things made in China over made in America.

And the Chinese have to pay more for our goods. America wins.

agip wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

There is actually a fourth option for autocrats that I forgot about. It is "escape to exile". Maybe Russia would take him.

So the four ways the Trump presidency could end are:

1. Trump dies in office

2. Trump is thrown in prison

3. Trump escapes into exile

4. Trump is taken out back and shot

Those are the only four options. They have a combined 100% probability.

you are giving zero probability to Trump walking away after losing an election in 2020 or finishing 2 terms in 2024?

zero? honestly?

Trump is an autocrat. He will never admit to losing an election. The only remedy to get him out will be one of the four options above.

Trump was ready to declare that the 2016 election was rigged. If beaten in 2020, he will again say that the election was rigged. The difference is that this time, he has nuclear weapons.

agip wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

There is actually a fourth option for autocrats that I forgot about. It is "escape to exile". Maybe Russia would take him.

So the four ways the Trump presidency could end are:

1. Trump dies in office

2. Trump is thrown in prison

3. Trump escapes into exile

4. Trump is taken out back and shot

Those are the only four options. They have a combined 100% probability.

you are giving zero probability to Trump walking away after losing an election in 2020 or finishing 2 terms in 2024?

zero? honestly?

Of course only the Fat man can speak for himself. But I'm going to throw my guess out that he is, among other things. taking a subtle dig at someone else' 100% probability prediction.

Fat's not dumb.

Fat hurts wrote:

agip wrote:

you are giving zero probability to Trump walking away after losing an election in 2020 or finishing 2 terms in 2024?

zero? honestly?

Trump is an autocrat. He will never admit to losing an election. The only remedy to get him out will be one of the four options above.

Trump was ready to declare that the 2016 election was rigged. If beaten in 2020, he will again say that the election was rigged. The difference is that this time, he has nuclear weapons.

OK, maybe I spoke too soon.

Honestly though, I still don't believe that you are that dumb.

Trump will leave in one of the following ways (with 99.9% certainty):

1) Serve through 2020 but fail to run for re-election. Step aside in 2021, perhaps not as graciously as is customary but without being physically dragged out.

2) Serve through 2020 but lose in his bid for re-election. Step aside in 2021, perhaps not as graciously as is customary but without being physically dragged out.

3) Win re-election in 2020. Then step aside in 2025, perhaps not as graciously as is customary but without being physically dragged out.

4) With or without re-election, be forced out of office by impeachment or pending impeachment. At that point he will step aside, perhaps not as graciously as is customary but without being physically dragged out.

5) Die of natural causes while still in office.

Of your four:

"1. Trump dies in office

2. Trump is thrown in prison

3. Trump escapes into exile

4. Trump is taken out back and shot"

only the first is a realistic possibility.

PIO! wrote:

agip wrote:

you are giving zero probability to Trump walking away after losing an election in 2020 or finishing 2 terms in 2024?

zero? honestly?

Of course only the Fat man can speak for himself. But I'm going to throw my guess out that he is, among other things. taking a subtle dig at someone else' 100% probability prediction.

Fat's not dumb.

Stop spoiling my fun.

Rigged for Hillary wrote:

L L wrote:

If the Yuan is devaluing vs the USD, that means Chinese goods are cheaper to buy and American businesses and consumers would prefer things made in China over made in America.

And the Chinese have to pay more for our goods. America wins.

Ummm . . . no. The Chinese choose to not buy too expensive American goods. American workers lose.

Fat hurts wrote:

PIO! wrote:

Fat's not dumb.

Stop spoiling my fun.

OK

L L wrote:

If the Yuan is devaluing vs the USD, that means Chinese goods are cheaper to buy and American businesses and consumers would prefer things made in China over made in America.

Trump is the first POTUS to actually confront China on their unfair trade practices. This is what Trump campaigned on. He will make a better deal for America with China. There are others from across the aisle who have criticized China's practices.

Bernie Sanders- "decrying the transfer of “our” technology to China and condemning investment there."

Elizabeth Warren-

Chuck Schumer-

Wall Street Journal editorial endorses the trade war

PIO! wrote:

5) Die of natural causes while still in office..

Natural causes? LOL

In Trump's "natural causes" would include:

1) Multiple STDs caused by unprotected sex with hookers and porn stars.

2) Lack of exercise for last 50-some years--he even drive a golf cart on putting greens to conservative his energy.

3) Inhalation of too many Big Macs, Filet-o-Fish, and double large fries, down with gallons of diet coke over the last several decades.

4) . . . the "natural causes" list goes on.

natural causes wrote:

PIO! wrote:

5) Die of natural causes while still in office..

Natural causes? LOL

In Trump's "natural causes" would include:

1) Multiple STDs caused by unprotected sex with hookers and porn stars.

2) Lack of exercise for last 50-some years--he even drive a golf cart on putting greens to conservative his energy.

3) Inhalation of too many Big Macs, Filet-o-Fish, and double large fries, down with gallons of diet coke over the last several decades.

4) . . . the "natural causes" list goes on.

So?

Guy who says wrote:

Rigged for Hillary wrote:

And the Chinese have to pay more for our goods. America wins.

Ummm . . . no. The Chinese choose to not buy too expensive American goods. American workers lose.

Wrong. The Chinese will pay whatever it takes for OUR goods: Levis, Nike shoes, Guess, luxury brands, etc. They don't want the "cheap" counterfeit sh it that they can pick up around the street corner that easily falls apart after a single use. Products with a "Made in USA" label carries a lot of prestige in China.

Fat hurts wrote:

agip wrote:

you are giving zero probability to Trump walking away after losing an election in 2020 or finishing 2 terms in 2024?

zero? honestly?

Trump is an autocrat. He will never admit to losing an election. The only remedy to get him out will be one of the four options above.

Trump was ready to declare that the 2016 election was rigged. If beaten in 2020, he will again say that the election was rigged. The difference is that this time, he has nuclear weapons.

What difference does it make if a candidate says the election is rigged? Unless they have evidence and it's something the Supreme Court are looking into, what can a candidate do? I realise they can incite riots etc., but this is hard to envisage. I think his base liked the comments about the election being rigged. They agreed with Trump that the system is basically corrupt. So it helped him to get elected. But if he hadn't won the election, he would have a ready made excuse, and it could have helped springboard a new media enterprise - Trump TV - which would pedal this election rigging propaganda and whatever else he felt like.

Trump won't have to be dragged out of the White House. He can't go more than a few days without golf, a trip to Florida, or ideally a trip to Florida to play golf.