Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

Source please? wrote:

U LAZY Arse wrote:Typical Trumper. Cannot search major news on their own. ]

I asked for corroboration and you concluded I’m a Trumper? I was excited by the news and couldn’t confirm it right away, as I don’t live in the US and the online papers are slow to update.

The interwebs do not work that way, Trumper. "Source please" is the typical reply on this thread when someone refuses to believe a post that comments on the news. Such as, "Manafort not guilty on all charges."

Manafort: Guilty of 8 counts!

Cohen: Guilty of 8 counts!

8 is the "lucky" number of the day!

Who's next?? ha ha ha ha

They are dropping like flies around Trump. If Manafort and Cohen are guilty of multiple counts of tax fraud/evasion, imagine what Mueller has found on Trump when combing through those "sorry, can't release them" tax returns ??

Trump is done. There is absolutely no way they don't nail on him something big. All they could get on Clinton was lying about an affair. And he got impeached for it. Trump's skeletons? Oh, they will see the light, they will most definitely see the light. And they will be a lot more relevant/serious to the office of the presidency/being fit to be president than getting a clandestine BJ was (as embarrassing and pathetic as that was).

agip wrote:

XY wrote:

Keep in mind, with all Trumps supposed “illegal actions” he’s never been convicted of anything illegal. He will also not be found to have done anything illegal by Mueller either

He is although an absolutely amoral creep

Trump will be found guilty of tax evasion and bank fraud.

maybe not by mueller, maybe by NY State.

He will be found guilty of SO many things. Will be a crime if he doesn't spend any time in jail, but with a potential pardon and plea deal, he really might not.

Pardons wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

You have to accept guilt to receive a pardon BEFORE a criminal judgement has been delivered. If you take a pardon after being found guilty, then you were already proven guilty in a court of law.

No, you don't. There is nothing in the Constitution that requires you to admit guilt at any time to receive a pardon. That's simply false.

You are not correct. The US Constitution states: … he [the President] shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

There has to be an offense against to US first.[/quote]

A pardon for an offense does presume that the accused is guilty. Only a court of law can prove someone guilty. The person is still presumed innocent until a court says otherwise.

In fact, presidents have pardoned people before trial because the president thinks that person is innocent. This is a good use of the pardon as it can prevent a miscarriage of justice. It would make no sense for an innocent person to admit guilt.

There is no requirement that the accused sign something or say something to indicate guilt.

Fat hurts wrote:

Pardons wrote:

No, you don't. There is nothing in the Constitution that requires you to admit guilt at any time to receive a pardon. That's simply false.

You are not correct. The US Constitution states: … he [the President] shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

There has to be an offense against to US first.

A pardon for an offense does presume that the accused is guilty. Only a court of law can prove someone guilty. The person is still presumed innocent until a court says otherwise.

In fact, presidents have pardoned people before trial because the president thinks that person is innocent. This is a good use of the pardon as it can prevent a miscarriage of justice. It would make no sense for an innocent person to admit guilt.

There is no requirement that the accused sign something or say something to indicate guilt.[/quote]

I made no comment about admission of guilt. Being guilty of an offense against the US does not require an admission of guilt.

U LAZY Arse wrote:

Source please? wrote:

I asked for corroboration and you concluded I’m a Trumper? I was excited by the news and couldn’t confirm it right away, as I don’t live in the US and the online papers are slow to update.

The interwebs do not work that way, Trumper. "Source please" is the typical reply on this thread when someone refuses to believe a post that comments on the news. Such as, "Manafort not guilty on all charges."

im the furthest possible thing from a Trumper. First of all I’m not a yank. Secondly I’m hard left of centre. Third, among my core values, honesty ranks first.

Your reaction underscores the corrosive effect this whole phenomenon (horse in a hospital) has on modern society, turning otherwise nice and normal people into foaming at the mouth fvcktards, no matter what side of the aisle they prefer.

I imagine Trump seriously regrets running for office.

Tyrone ReXXXing wrote:

Manafort: Guilty of 8 counts!

Cohen: Guilty of 8 counts!

.

This is a sad, SAD day! These 2 are great american heroes. They've been mistreated and wrongly accused. My itchy pardon pen fingers are tingling. (I know, I said some mean things about Cohen, but......as long as he doesn't rat me out, he's a great american hero, and will be a pardoned one at that. Are you reading Michael? They allow you twitter in jail, right?).

This is like Nazi germany and that, what's his name, Hitler guy. Or Stalin, or whoever. SAD. BIGLY SAD.

Down with Brown , fight for White!

The Don

Tyrone ReXXXing wrote:

Manafort: Guilty of 8 counts!

Cohen: Guilty of 8 counts!

8 is the "lucky" number of the day!

Who's next?? ha ha ha ha

They are dropping like flies around Trump. If Manafort and Cohen are guilty of multiple counts of tax fraud/evasion, imagine what Mueller has found on Trump when combing through those "sorry, can't release them" tax returns ??

Trump is done. There is absolutely no way they don't nail on him something big. All they could get on Clinton was lying about an affair. And he got impeached for it. Trump's skeletons? Oh, they will see the light, they will most definitely see the light. And they will be a lot more relevant/serious to the office of the presidency/being fit to be president than getting a clandestine BJ was (as embarrassing and pathetic as that was).

Trump is done? Well, I wonder who predicted that! :)

The dominoes will start to fall now. Those in the GOP will begin to see that the end is near and certain for Trump.

Mueller never? Ha!

The only bad part about being so right is that someone else has to be so wrong, and I feel bad about that.

Flagpole wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

No, you don't. There is nothing in the Constitution that requires you to admit guilt at any time to receive a pardon. That's simply false.

Sorry FH, but you are not right. It's not a Constitution thing, it is a case thing. Go read up on Burdick v. United States and then you will know what I know.

"A pardon carries an imputation of guilt and that acceptance carries a confession of guilt."

I have already looked at it. Your quote is far from being settled case law. And the fact remains that the accused is not required in any way to admit guilt in writing or otherwise.

Ciro wrote:

I imagine Trump seriously regrets running for office.

He should. And anyone who hitched their ride to him should regret that too.

Source please? wrote:

fvcktards

0/10

While we go berserk and overreact to financial crimes, Mollie was killed by an illegal immigrant. Way to go liberals.

Fat hurts wrote:

Pardons wrote:

No, you don't. There is nothing in the Constitution that requires you to admit guilt at any time to receive a pardon. That's simply false.

You are not correct. The US Constitution states: … he [the President] shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

There has to be an offense against to US first.

A pardon for an offense does presume that the accused is guilty. Only a court of law can prove someone guilty. The person is still presumed innocent until a court says otherwise.

In fact, presidents have pardoned people before trial because the president thinks that person is innocent. This is a good use of the pardon as it can prevent a miscarriage of justice. It would make no sense for an innocent person to admit guilt.

There is no requirement that the accused sign something or say something to indicate guilt.[/quote]

Fat hurts,

You simply are not correct. If a person accepts a pardon, it is an admission of guilt. Again, go read up on Burdick v. United States.

"A pardon carries an imputation of guilt and that acceptance carries a confession of guilt."

Consider that you have learned something today.

Thisthreadisridiculous wrote:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/08/21/mollie-tibbetts-suspected-murderer-identified-as-24-year-old-christian-rivera-in-us-illegally.html

While we go berserk and overreact to financial crimes, Mollie was killed by an illegal immigrant. Way to go liberals.

If he's Polish then there's a good chance Trump employed him.

Hmmm, jury ... wrote:

L L wrote:

Manafort guilty on 8 counts.

Mistrial on 10 counts.

No not guilty verdicts.

Going to jail.

Or pardon?

Hmmm . . . the judge asked the jury to keep deliberating. The cost of these types of trials is bigly enormous. It looks like the jury copped out and decided to let a different jury deal with any mistrial counts at a later date. It seems the jury is more worried about coming attacks from right-wing Trumpers than in doing what a jury is supposed to do. But, maybe splitting the trails into multiple parts is the best way to protect yourself from rabid Trumpers.

There will be no different jury.

The prosecution will not pursue the mistrial on the 10 counts.

Manafort has been convicted on 8 charges:

5 counts of tax fraud

2 counts of bank fraud

1 count of failure to report a foreign bank account

That's enough to put him in jail for the rest of his life.

And on top of that, he still has another trial in DC for similar charges.

The mistrial counts are really meaningless here.

Trump can't even pardon him yet because of the other upcoming trial.

Add the Cohen guilty pleas that also happened today-

Trump associates himself with criminals.

Trump associates with criminals because he IS a criminal.

I was the FIRST to predict this late on the campaign on this board.

So, yes. You can thank me very much. :)

Ciro wrote:

I imagine Trump seriously regrets running for office.

I think he enjoyed running for president but regrets winning.

The plan was to lose and say the election was rigged.

And then start a TV network designed to keep attacking Hillary.