Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

Not so fast Flagpole... wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

Umm...no.

The OJ trial taught all of us that juries don’t always get it right. I will be disappointed but unsurprised if Manafort is found not guilty on all charges. That’s how your country rolls these days...

Umm...no. Too much evidence against Manafort. Iron clad stuff. I don't think I'm in an alternate universe yet, so he will be found guilty on something significant.

The chief idiot's clueless, again.

According to Reuters, Trump said he was unhappy that other countries‘ central banks were keeping the value of their currencies low.

Same guy thinks trade is a zero-sum game is already making the poor poorer. Eventually it leads to an economic contraction. When the recession comes, Trump's voters are the first ones into the wood chipper.

Gary, how does it feel knowing Trump is making you poorer?

L L wrote:

I want to put the context of the “truth isn’t truth” quote.

Rudy G was on Meet the Press discussing the perjury trap of Trump talking to Mueller.

He said something to the effect that Trump might tell a different version of the truth than what someone may have testified to Mueller.

Chuck Todd said “Truth is truth”.

Rudy responded “Truth isn’t truth”.

Todd smiled in astonishment.

The lie is being defended before it is even told.

This is it. Rudy’s job is to go around priming the deplorables so that the lie isn’t even an issue (or even a lie anymore) when it arrives. The best part is he laughs throughout most of the interviews, he’s having a blast doing it.

Good morning! How are all you LRC stable geniuses doing this fine AM?

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/07/12/trump-speaks-after-nato-summit-stable-genius-newday-vpx.cnn

Trollminator wrote:

This is it. Rudy’s job is to go around priming the deplorables so that the lie isn’t even an issue (or even a lie anymore) when it arrives. The best part is he laughs throughout most of the interviews, he’s having a blast doing it.

I did see Meet the Press Sunday and when I saw Rudy was on I wondered what stupid thing he would say.

When Chuck Todd parroted back "truth isn't truth?" Rudy said "Don't do that to me."

I agree that I think it's on purpose.

He likes being talked about. He keeps coming back for it.

In the end the message was that we are all debating what a lie is.

If we can't agree on what a lie is then Trump cannot be guilty of lying.

But he still is free to call the press liars, of course.

Mass hypnoses

Oh how far Rudy has fallen. From respected former United States Attorney and beloved NYC mayor to a Donald Trump stooge, bumbling every television interview.

It doesn't matter what the Trump administration throws up. A lie is still a lie, and if he is ever charged with Perjury, that has to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, so this idea that it's just a he said she said from Giuliani is bogus.

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." - John Adams

pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:

Gary, how does it feel knowing Trump is making you poorer?

Sorry, Gary is currently suspended. He might be able to answer you in 1-2 weeks.

Democrats are gross

Manafort not guilty on all charges!!!!

Manafort acquittal wrote:

Manafort not guilty on all charges!!!!

Umm...no.

The jury is struggling to come up with a unanimous verdict on each of the 18 counts of fraud.

I wonder if there is one juror saying not guilty on all charges and holding on.

The prosecutors gave a ton of evidence and the defense offered nothing.

A hing jury would be a wild scene.

Possibly but probably not. The case is a little more complex and extremely difficult to argue the intent of the situation. You have to argue based on reasonable doubt and reasonable certainty to prove that Manafort knowingly and willingly violated the law. Political motivation helps in no way either. This is heading towards a mistrial.

The more political and media involvement makes a case much harder to prove.

"Just after 11:00 am, the jury submitted a note to Judge T.S. Ellis asking what happens if they can't reach consensus on one of the 18 counts against Manafort, and what would that mean for the final verdict. Judge Ellis confirmed that it would be a partial verdict, CBS News' Paula Reid reports.

Reid adds that the jury can have a combination of convictions, hung juries and acquittals. Judge Ellis emphasized that he has not inquired about where he jury stands in their progress. "

I think there will be a unanimous guilty verdict on at least a few of the charges. And that means years of jail.

Having 18 charges made the process complicated.

L L wrote:

"Just after 11:00 am, the jury submitted a note to Judge T.S. Ellis asking what happens if they can't reach consensus on one of the 18 counts against Manafort, and what would that mean for the final verdict. Judge Ellis confirmed that it would be a partial verdict, CBS News' Paula Reid reports.

Reid adds that the jury can have a combination of convictions, hung juries and acquittals. Judge Ellis emphasized that he has not inquired about where he jury stands in their progress. "

I think there will be a unanimous guilty verdict on at least a few of the charges. And that means years of jail.

Having 18 charges made the process complicated.

Yep. Just deliberating on one of the 18 counts.

Very likely guilty on at least some of those other 17. He is in big trouble.

Flagpole wrote:

Oh how far Rudy has fallen. From respected former United States Attorney and beloved NYC mayor to a Donald Trump stooge, bumbling every television interview.

It doesn't matter what the Trump administration throws up. A lie is still a lie, and if he is ever charged with Perjury, that has to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, so this idea that it's just a he said she said from Giuliani is bogus.

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." - John Adams

Yes, facts are stubborn things. Like the FACT that there hasn't been a single indictment for Russia-Trump campaign collluuuuusssssion, and it's becoming more and more clear that the probe has come up empty on this hoax against President Trump. (This, right in the face of your deeply passionate inclinations- LOL)

But an even more stubborn set of FACTS that you, and CNN/MSNBC/etc are intentionally ignoring, are those that are being dropped on us every week or so, which uncover the DOJ/FBI conspiracy against the Trump campaign and presidency. These are FACTS. We have all the text messages, all the emails, all the faked FISA documents. We know Comey-McCabe-Strzok-Page let HRC off the hook before the investigation even started. We know Strzok and Page believed the setup against Trump would be enough to "stop him" from the WH. And they had a back-up "insurance policy", of course. We know John Brennan was one of the originators of the Russia colluuuuusssion hoax, and went to Harry Reid to help him try to stop Trump. We know that they spied on the Trump campaign on a false dossier paid for by the DNC/HRC campaign (and possibly also the FBI itself!). We know that Comey-McCabe-Strzok-Page-Ohr-Ohr-Steele intended to sow suspicion in the eyes of the public to hurt Trump before and then after the election. But, not surprisingly, these career government employees couldn't execute if their life depended on it. They failed in their swampy attempt. FACT.

With Ohr's fate now imminent, that'll bring us up to 15 (!!) leadership roles in the DOJ/FBI that have been fired or forced to resign (by recommendation of the respective internal committee). That is a FACT. Ohr was "worried about Comey's firing", and that "they'd be exposed." LOL!! Should have thought of that before attempting to undermine democracy, you morans!! Btw- I like how the pattern is for the individuals to first be demoted to some garbage job (remember Strzok got demoted to HR?? LOL), in hopes that it flies under the radar after a while. In 2017, Ohr was demoted from Lead of the Counternarcotics dept to a position where he dealt with "lesser legal matters." Even the NYT received a "no response" when asked why he was demoted.

Meanwhile, Trump followed through on his promise to be the most transparent administration in history, by allowed the WH Counsel to talk directly to Mueller as much as needed, for 9 months now. Over 30 hours worth of interviews, and Mueller has not changed his position that Trump is NOT a target of the investigation, AND McGahn stated that he "never saw the President go beyond his legal authorities."

Most intelligent Liberals (yes, there are some) are starting to see the light here. The compromise on all of this for the intel community to save a little face is to maintain that Russia "meddled", but did not collude. You need to yank your head out of the sand and see what's really going on here.

Mueller never.

Clownpole forever (as he apparently wants it to be).

Thisthreadisridiculous wrote:

This is heading towards a mistrial.

Doubt it.

Well stated. Keep in mind though, Flagpole has a steak going that has now exceeded 2.5 years. He's not going to just waive the white flag..... ever, unfortunately. He's all in.....going down with the ship.....

Interesting to see what he will get. The defense attorney for whatever reason seems fairly confident.

I read the quote wrong, it’s just one count of the 18 they don’t have consensus on. I wonder why Manaforts team didn’t just decide to have the judge decide the case. Who knows what direction the judge’s mind was in.

the brown jugg wrote:

TRUMP's all in.....going down with the ship.....

^ HI HARDLOPER!!!