Proffer wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
He is keeping people away from church in droves.
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Proof?
Please provide proof that people are going to church in droves because of Trump. Do you have it? Nope, all you have is a nothing-burger.
Proffer wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
He is keeping people away from church in droves.
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Proof?
Please provide proof that people are going to church in droves because of Trump. Do you have it? Nope, all you have is a nothing-burger.
KING OF LOLZ wrote:
Rich Dieter wrote:
Sounds like a rockin' time when you get out with your friends.
Even in the few minutes you are not on this thread, you are talking about it in the real world. Nice.
LOLZ. You guys really know how to party.
GLOLZ. JaminLoper really knows how to party and troll at the same time. They take turns sitting on each other laps playing reverse cowboy. GLOLZ.
Whoami? wrote:I agree. Probably more so than you understand.
(But I cannot guarantee your level of understanding so I can not say this for certain.)
Perplexing post... you suggest you agree with me, but in some way MORE than I can know, which is sort of a sideways way of insulting my intellect. I think. What's puzzling to me (possibly because of intellectual deficiency) is why you would choose to agree with me in one breath, and then insult me with the next? Maybe (probably) just a LRC thing...
Rich Dieter wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
Had a nice catch up with some old friends last night. One of them has a good number of long time friends that are trumpers and all like the political discourse. The problem is the conversation has generally gone one way and they have trampled most of their own beliefs to keep up their unrelenting support for their king.
My friend is a Democrat but a Wall Street type who was always for lower taxes so he liked the tax cuts, however when challenging the trumpers on any obvious issue, be it moral or policy, they do not back down. No matter how stupid, wreckless, conflicting or dangerous Trump’s actions, they support it 100%, no room for argument. Whenever called out for being contradictory to traditional conservative and republican beliefs, they simply point the things Hillary and Obama did, they cannot defend Trump directly. Needless to say, he’s been giving up on some of those friends, citing they have morphed and lost touch with reality. I can only chuckle.
Sounds like a rockin' time when you get out with your friends.
Even in the few minutes you are not on this thread, you are talking about it in the real world. Nice.
At least he gets out, while you lurk 24/7 to comment on others commenting, now that’s a real winner.
Basementgoblin wrote:
Rich Dieter wrote:
Sounds like a rockin' time when you get out with your friends.
Even in the few minutes you are not on this thread, you are talking about it in the real world. Nice.
At least he gets out, while you lurk 24/7 to comment on others commenting, now that’s a real winner.
Hi Trollminator!
Repeater of posts wrote:
Whoami? wrote:I agree. Probably more so than you understand.
(But I cannot guarantee your level of understanding so I can not say this for certain.)
Perplexing post... you suggest you agree with me, but in some way MORE than I can know, which is sort of a sideways way of insulting my intellect. I think. What's puzzling to me (possibly because of intellectual deficiency) is why you would choose to agree with me in one breath, and then insult me with the next? Maybe (probably) just a LRC thing...
Maybe because you have some sort of reading comprehension problem (this one was an insult - my earlier post was not).
Note that I said, "Probably more so than you understand." Note that I most definitely did NOT say, "more than you CAN understand." The fact that you chose to add in the key word, 'can' suggests that you understand the difference between these two statements. MY statement was simply a less-than-long-winded way of saying that I probably did not provide sufficient information in any of my posts for you to deduce just how strongly I agreed with you (which I still do). YOUR statement, adding the key word, 'can', would be reasonably considered to be an insult to your intellect. Do you understand the difference?
Now, just to needle you a bit - What's puzzling to me is why you would choose to misrepresent what I actually posted, and then take umbrage with the resulting insult. Maybe (probably) just an LRC thing...
:-)
Proffer wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
He is keeping people away from church in droves.
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Proof?
There is plenty of proof that young people in America are less religious today compared to past generations. The data on that is readily available.
The idea that Trump is accelerating that trend is for now an unproven theory. It's far too early to even try to measure the effect.
But I do think it is a theory with a lot of merit. In general, young people see Trump as morally bankrupt. Why would that person want to join a church where they worship this unapologetic sinner?
repeat poster wrote:
I posted earlier in the thread about a couple of aspects of US culture (namely near-religious zealotry in the treatment of free speech as an absolute, and the strange cultural devotion to guns) that seem odd to most of the rest of the world. Another one of those cultural peculiarities has bubbled up really quickly over the last few pages; the need to wear your faith on your sleeve or hoist it like a flag to rally around. I know of no other culture (that I've experienced; I've been around quite a lot, but surely not everywhere) where one's religion plays such a large role in defining an individual's persona. As a non-yank, I would find your culture more agreeable if y'all would keep your religion to yourselves. Same goes on this thread... I don't love all the hateful bickering, but adding the religious element brings the discussion down a notch. For me, anyway.
OK, back to the regularly scheduled partisan squabbling...
Only if you think "the rest of the world" means consolidated democracies in the developed world.
The words of Mike Pence:
Further, the Presidents repeated lies to the American people in this matter compound the case against him as they demonstrate his failure to protect the institution of the presidency as the 'inspiring supreme symbol of all that is highest in our American ideals'. Leaders affect the lives of families far beyond their own 'private life'. In the Bible story of Esther we are told of a king who was charged to put right his own household because there would be "no end of disrespect and discord" among the families of the kingdom if he failed to do so. In a day when reckless extramarital sexual activity is manifesting itself in our staggering rates of illegitimacy and divorce, now more than ever, America needs to be able to look to her First Family as role models of all that we have been and can be again.
he is the most powerful man in the world. If you and I fall into bad moral habits, we can harm our families, our employers and our friends. The President of the United States can incinerate the planet. Seriously, the very idea that we ought to have at or less than the same moral demands placed on the Chief Executive that we place on our next door neighbor is ludicrous and dangerous. Throughout our history, we have seen the presidency as the repository of all of our highest hopes and ideals and values. To demand less is to do an injustice to the blood that bought our freedoms.
Fat hurts wrote:
Having a nation of devoted religious people should have kept someone like Trump from becoming president. Christians should have been expected to reject someone who doesn't share their Christian values. Now this profoundly sinful man is leading millions of American Christians. And these Christians are truly devoted to Trump. It's no wonder that the Christian church is losing followers.
If you think that "having a nation of devoted religious people should have kept someone like Trump from becoming president" and yet it most definitively did not then perhaps it is time that you updated your worldview as to who all of these "Christians" are and how they actually think and act.
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"When my information changes, I alter my conclusions. What do you do, sir?"
Just pointing out the obvious wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
Having a nation of devoted religious people should have kept someone like Trump from becoming president. Christians should have been expected to reject someone who doesn't share their Christian values. Now this profoundly sinful man is leading millions of American Christians. And these Christians are truly devoted to Trump. It's no wonder that the Christian church is losing followers.
If you think that "having a nation of devoted religious people should have kept someone like Trump from becoming president" and yet it most definitively did not then perhaps it is time that you updated your worldview as to who all of these "Christians" are and how they actually think and act.
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"When my information changes, I alter my conclusions. What do you do, sir?"
Yes, you got my point. Christians need to change how they think and act if they want to be taken seriously.
Fat hurts wrote:
Just pointing out the obvious wrote:
If you think that "having a nation of devoted religious people should have kept someone like Trump from becoming president" and yet it most definitively did not then perhaps it is time that you updated your worldview as to who all of these "Christians" are and how they actually think and act.
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"When my information changes, I alter my conclusions. What do you do, sir?"
Yes, you got my point. Christians need to change how they think and act if they want to be taken seriously.
CORRECT!
Christianity and other major religions are worthy of respect, for they all have goals that seek to further the common good, and they are more alike than different. Some people who say they practice those religions are not worthy of respect. Mike Pence with his wacked out view of Christianity is one of those people.
There are a lot of liberal Christians in this country who can not stand Trump and do not believe he is a Christian (because he isn't). There are a some conservative Christians too who can not look past his lying and his infidelities. The conservative Christians who remain supportive of him are the ones who really need to change their attitudes. Mr. "Two Corinthians" is clearly not a Christian. He wouldn't know Job from Paul. It is increasingly likely that HE is the father of the aborted fetus from the SECOND Playboy Playmate. He clearly has had many extramarital affairs. He lies like a rug (lying is a sin). He disrespected both of his parents (just another thing against the Ten Commandments), and he has said he could shoot (murder) someone on Fifth Avenue and not lose any voters. So, he's someone who so clearly thumbs his nose at Thou Shall Not Kill (though yes that reference is to your own tribe, but that is not the modern-day understanding of that Commandment and it is the basis for Conservative Christians saying they are against abortion).
This attitude that MANY conservative Christians have about Trump is hypocritical to say the least.
"There was no communication between the campaign and any foreign entity during the campaign" -- Hope Hicks, 11/11/16
Nut-job Ingraham must have been set off by this news. She is after all against immigrant of any kind; worse fast-tracked ones.Melania Trump’s parents become U.S. citizens despite president’s hostility toward ‘chain migration’Critics have raised questions about the immigration path that the first lady’s parents have followed given the administration’s hard-line stance.https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/melania-trumps-parents-become-naturalized-us-citizens-amid-the-presidents-hostility-toward-chain-migration/2018/08/09/646a4f62-9bf9-11e8-b60b-1c897f17e185_story.html
Awsi Dooger wrote:
https://money.cnn.com/2018/08/09/media/fox-news-laura-ingraham-tucker-carlson-white-nationalism/index.html
Good morning! How are all you LRC stable geniuses doing this fine am?
if this is shown to be true, will you Trumpers still support him?
attacking the source isn't answer the question. I'm not asking IF you believe it, I'm asking how would you react if it is proven to be true.
Dancing around that question in any form will be considered 'losing' and be awarded 0 points.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/aug/10/omarosa-trump-book-the-apprentice-memoir
"It's maddeningly obvious that there exists a 25% swath right down the center of our country, in humanity really, that are prewired to be objects of manipulation by fear, aggression and ultimately retribution.
What lies beneath our friends, neighbors and family who, on the surface are friendly and caring people is intellectual in-curiousness, fundamental distrust and a yearning to be empowered by association with an authority figure. In high functioning societies they lie in wait, often industrious and happy. Inevitably, as in all societies, when discord and fear rise from any multitude of circumstance, they becomes susceptible.
The mere existence of this minority personality type proves that, in times of extreme instability within small family units or larger societies, this set of emotional responses has served a useful purpose in our survival as a species.
Throughout history this 25% have readily followed great leaders and helped to fundamentally changed the world- this is the exception however. More often than not, they have aided and abetted cultish despots and murderers. And throughout history when the carnage, havoc and annihilation is in full swing they put on their blinders and continue to attack any dissent. This is their purpose and they will not deviate. Rest assured in the aftermath of total failure they will blame the weak, the intellectuals and the peoples of questionable breeding.
I will not be at all surprised if he wins again, thus continuing the snowballing downfall of a once great nation".
"Stand proudly for your National Anthem or be Suspended Without Pay!” - Trump
Again, this is the government trying to suppress freedom of speech.
We don't want to see the players doing these protests, but now the protests are in response to the president telling them not to protest.
This isn't his business to be involved in.
L L wrote:
"Stand proudly for your National Anthem or be Suspended Without Pay!” - Trump
Again, this is the government trying to suppress freedom of speech.
We don't want to see the players doing these protests, but now the protests are in response to the president telling them not to protest.
This isn't his business to be involved in.
This hasn't stopped other admins from interfering in business that they shouldn't have been involved in.