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5 years ago 08/08/2018 7:15am EDT

re: Tyrone ReXXXing

The difference is that with liberals the craziness is coming from mainstream people, or at least people that work for mainstream organizations. It has always been this way. Once you understand this, you will understand what is happening with conservatives and you will understand what DiscoGary is saying. If you watch MSNBC and CNN and think the crap they spew is the real view of the world then you have a problem. Like and alcoholic or a gambler, it will take some time recover.

Tyrone ReXXXing wrote:
DiscoGary wrote:
Other than Dershowitz, I see no sign that any Dem/Lib understands what’s going on. There is not one prominent Dem trying to defuse the situation. If they taught history in schools you all would understand how dangerous this is. Democrats need to turn off the hate machine right now, but no one is doing it. This is very bad.
Gary, if even you believe an iota of the hyperbolic Bull$hit that you write, you are in really ,rough shape.
Gary, wake the F-CK up dude. There is easily at least (i'd say waaaaaay f'n more, but I am trying to engage you here, at least talk you down from the cliff) as much hate /anger/violence, etc coming from the right as is coming from the left. It's been this way for years. If you can't see this, you are just completely living in an alternate universe. The twitter attacks on jews with alt-righters posting elaborate pics of Trump putting jewish reporters AND their children in gas chambers, sending home made pics to black people of Trump hanging them from nooses or being their slaveholder or whipping them in the fields, constantly, anonymously, cowardly threatening these people's lives, posting their address to show them they know where the live??? These types of threats and harassment are insane, and they are COMING FROM THE RIGHT IN DROVES. You are not aware of this stuff?? You don't care about this stuff??
The racist vitriol that was spewed towards the Obamas, sometimes openly by Republican officeholders (usually small time state or city positions, but still, elected officials) was stunning. You want me to post some of that stuff?? And the anonymous stuff (ya know, like Breitbart messageboards, etc), the venom and hate these anti-gov't/racist nuts would let loose......just hard to imagine. No. I've never come across the volume or intensity of that the hate from the Left. Unlike you, I am not saying it doesn't exist, but I highly doubt it surpasses what comes from the Right. Highly doubt it.
And yet, in your bizzaro alt-right universe, you don't think any of it{right wing hate or violence or threats} (or barely any of it) is occurring, or it is all harmless. And you certainly won't acknowledge any of it. But when you see an act of anger or hate coming from the left......THE SKY IS FALLIN!! CIVILIZATION IS ON ITS LAST LEGS!!!! DANGER< DANGER> DANGER!!!
You are a loon. A ridiculous, pathetic loon.

5 years ago 08/08/2018 7:20am EDT

re: _its_baddude

5 years ago 08/08/2018 7:23am EDT

re: A very stabIe genius!

A very stabIe genius! wrote:
Good morning! How are all you LRC stable geniuses doing this fine am?
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/07/12/trump-speaks-after-nato-summit-stable-genius-newday-vpx.cnn

Hi Flagpole!

5 years ago 08/08/2018 7:34am EDT

re: You are just wrong on this

All speech should be free. The term "Hate Speech" means different things to different people. Humanity as a whole has a history of genocide against people that are different than them. We should never let humans decide what is "hate speech." The problem liberals have is that they think they are superior to anyone else (Nazi). Therefore, the end justifies the means. For example, take a liberal that has convinced him/herself that the world will come to end because of global warming. If they see a moderate global warming skeptic that believes maybe the problem is exaggerated or even that there is nothing that can be done about it, the liberal will try to equate the skeptic to some barbarian in the past. When that does not work, the skeptic will try to ban all information he thinks is causing the problem. When that fails, he will try to equate skepticism to a great crime and imprison the individuals. The above is how communism works. Not all problems have a solution. Sometimes you just have to go with the flow. Freedom trumps all.

You are just wrong on this wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
No. That's not the right way to think about it. We have free speech in this country. Sometimes people say horrible crap, and then they might suffer some consequences (job, friends), but this is not something the government should regulate. The Supreme Court has already determined (correctly) that legally there isn't anything called "hate speech". Of course we all know what it is, but do you want the government to define what it is? No you don't. You really don't. Ultimately that would give the government the right to make an extremely broad definition, and suddenly there is no more free speech unless it is complimentary. Free speech should go on unfettered.
Sorry. You are just wrong on this. Hate speech needs to be limited. I agree with the previous poster. We live in different times now and different rules need to be established to live in a civil society.

5 years ago 08/08/2018 7:43am EDT

re: _its_baddude

_its_baddude wrote:The problem liberals have is that they think they are superior to anyone else (Nazi).

Pssst…! Let me tell you a secret, but don't tell anybody else...

EVERYONE is superior to Nazis.

Full stop.

If that makes you feel demeaned, perhaps because you consider yourself happily aligned with Nazi ideals and principles, well, then, let me break it to you, as gently as I can... EVERYONE is better than you, and you have good reason to feel demeaned, devalued and otherwise disenfranchised. Sorry for that, it's not me, it's the world... if it were just up to me, Nazis would get the same free pass as everyone else, but it isn't up to me.

5 years ago 08/08/2018 8:20am EDT

re: _its_baddude

_its_baddude wrote:
The problem liberals have is that they think they are superior to anyone else (Nazi). Therefore, the end justifies the means. For example, take a liberal that has convinced him/herself that the world will come to end because of global warming. If they see a moderate global warming skeptic that believes maybe the problem is exaggerated or even that there is nothing that can be done about it, the liberal will try to equate the skeptic to some barbarian in the past. When that does not work, the skeptic will try to ban all information he thinks is causing the problem. When that fails, he will try to equate skepticism to a great crime and imprison the individuals.
The above is how communism works.

False premise -> Unjustified hyperbolic conclusion

Strawman scenario -> unsupported accusation -> self-victimization -> censorship -> totalitarianism!

QED: Anything our side has done or will do is justified.

5 years ago 08/08/2018 9:21am EDT

re: Monkeys typing

How big of a deal will the Manafort pardon be?

5 years ago 08/08/2018 9:47am EDT

re: Quality posters only

Oh brother, here we go again! DemonRats claiming “victory” after losing the special election in Ohio. The 2018 coulda, woulda, shoulda award, thus, goes to O’Connor and the Dems.

Just an FYI libs—a loss is a loss. Spin away but you didn’t win and the closeness of the election is not a harbinger of anything.

unregistered banned registered poster wrote:
Flagpole wrote:No. That's not the right way to think about it. We have free speech in this country. Sometimes people say horrible crap, and then they might suffer some consequences (job, friends), but this is not something the government should regulate. The Supreme Court has already determined (correctly) that legally there isn't anything called "hate speech". Of course we all know what it is, but do you want the government to define what it is? No you don't. You really don't. Ultimately that would give the government the right to make an extremely broad definition, and suddenly there is no more free speech unless it is complimentary. Free speech should go on unfettered.
Your position on free speech, though, is what I'd like to focus on today. Most other first world societies have some form of right to free speech, but generally treat it as an ideal, rather than a back and white absolute. In Canada, hate speech is illegal. Your Supreme court declared "hate speech" has no legal meaning; smart legal minds in Canada determined that it can be defined, on a case by case basis with careful analysis. The bar to meet the definition is very high (as so it should), but not infinitely high (as in your position). We've already mentioned Germany's laws against Nazi or anti-Holocaust speech.
I imagine you worry about having any reasonable limits on free speech because surely if they can limit some speech, eventually all speech can be arbitrarily limited. That's an imaginary, hypothetical problem that doesn't exist in places where reasonable limits on hate speech are in place. I'm not sure why you Yanks couldn't also find a way to make it work.

I love me some Canada (stance on guns, healthcare, marijuana, etc.), but the free speech thing is what we have right here in the US over Canada. After seeing the dictator wannabe Trump elected and scores of people still supporting him, I absolutely am concerned that if we define hate speech that that could ultimately greatly limit what we are allowed to say. If someone said "I hate Trump" could that be defined as "hate speech"? I mean, they used the word "hate" even. Can't incite panic or violence. Other than that, all forms of speech should be allowed.

And the 2018 coulda, woulda, shoulda award..... wrote:
Oh brother, here we go again! DemonRats claiming “victory” after losing the special election in Ohio. The 2018 coulda, woulda, shoulda award, thus, goes to O’Connor and the Dems.

That seat has safely been Republican since 1984. It has never been challenge by Dems since then. That you Republican almost lost one of the safest seats in the House is truly epic. Trump is painting Red American Blue.

5 years ago 08/08/2018 9:56am EDT

re: _its_baddude

_its_baddude wrote:
All speech should be free. The term "Hate Speech" means different things to different people. Humanity as a whole has a history of genocide against people that are different than them. We should never let humans decide what is "hate speech."
The problem liberals have is that they think they are superior to anyone else (Nazi). Therefore, the end justifies the means. For example, take a liberal that has convinced him/herself that the world will come to end because of global warming. If they see a moderate global warming skeptic that believes maybe the problem is exaggerated or even that there is nothing that can be done about it, the liberal will try to equate the skeptic to some barbarian in the past. When that does not work, the skeptic will try to ban all information he thinks is causing the problem. When that fails, he will try to equate skepticism to a great crime and imprison the individuals.
The above is how communism works.
Not all problems have a solution. Sometimes you just have to go with the flow.
Freedom trumps all.

Hate speech is still defended by the 1st amendment, so your post makes no sense from the start. Not sure why you and DG keep trying to create a dichotomy between "hate speech" and "free speech".

5 years ago 08/08/2018 10:00am EDT

re: You are just wrong on this

You are just wrong on this wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
No. That's not the right way to think about it. We have free speech in this country. Sometimes people say horrible crap, and then they might suffer some consequences (job, friends), but this is not something the government should regulate. The Supreme Court has already determined (correctly) that legally there isn't anything called "hate speech". Of course we all know what it is, but do you want the government to define what it is? No you don't. You really don't. Ultimately that would give the government the right to make an extremely broad definition, and suddenly there is no more free speech unless it is complimentary. Free speech should go on unfettered.
Sorry. You are just wrong on this. Hate speech needs to be limited. I agree with the previous poster. We live in different times now and different rules need to be established to live in a civil society.

Well, the Supreme Court disagrees with you as do I. Free speech allows some to vent and get things off their chest. When you put the government thumb on free speech, that venting will eventually take another form, and chances are much worse. I am no fan of hate speech (which legally here in the US doesn't exist), but if we want to be able to say whatever we want (protests against the government, companies, etc.) then we must allow all speech to be free, not just what we want to hear. We are a free country...free to say what we will, free to practice whatever religion we want or not, etc. Bad path to decide that "hate speech" (which has no legal definition) is not allowed. Synonyms for "hate" include "dislike", "distaste", "aversion". That could be very broadly applied. Restaurant reviews no longer allowed? Can't be critical of the President? Nah...have to take the vile with the good with regard to free speech.

5 years ago 08/08/2018 10:02am EDT

re: word to the wise...

word to the wise... wrote:
_its_baddude wrote:The problem liberals have is that they think they are superior to anyone else (Nazi).
Pssst…! Let me tell you a secret, but don't tell anybody else...
EVERYONE is superior to Nazis.
Full stop.

Agreed.

And the 2018 coulda, woulda, shoulda award..... wrote:
Oh brother, here we go again! DemonRats claiming “victory” after losing the special election in Ohio. The 2018 coulda, woulda, shoulda award, thus, goes to O’Connor and the Dems.
Just an FYI libs—a loss is a loss. Spin away but you didn’t win and the closeness of the election is not a harbinger of anything.

I knew this exact post would come today. I live just outside this district, and it is VERY red. Trump won it by 11 points. Yes it is still a loss, but it does spell problems for other "red" districts that Trump didn't win by as much as 11 points. You are not correct in your assertion there.

I've not called for a "blue wave", but all indications are (including this close vote in Ohio) that at a minimum, the House is very likely going to the Democrats.

unregistered banned registered poster wrote:
. . .
Your position on free speech, though, is what I'd like to focus on today. Most other first world societies have some form of right to free speech, but generally treat it as an ideal, rather than a back and white absolute. In Canada, hate speech is illegal. Your Supreme court declared "hate speech" has no legal meaning; smart legal minds in Canada determined that it can be defined, on a case by case basis with careful analysis. The bar to meet the definition is very high (as so it should), but not infinitely high (as in your position). We've already mentioned Germany's laws against Nazi or anti-Holocaust speech.
I imagine you worry about having any reasonable limits on free speech because surely if they can limit some speech, eventually all speech can be arbitrarily limited. That's an imaginary, hypothetical problem that doesn't exist in places where reasonable limits on hate speech are in place. I'm not sure why you Yanks couldn't also find a way to make it work.

Sorry, but your position on this one is INCORRECT!

To think that the government should be dictating what people can say (with the obvious exceptions of inciting violence or panic) is utterly preposterous.

Freedom matters.

5 years ago 08/08/2018 10:11am EDT

re: word to the wise...

word to the wise... wrote:
_its_baddude wrote:The problem liberals have is that they think they are superior to anyone else (Nazi).
Pssst…! Let me tell you a secret, but don't tell anybody else...
EVERYONE is superior to Nazis.
Full stop.
If that makes you feel demeaned, perhaps because you consider yourself happily aligned with Nazi ideals and principles, well, then, let me break it to you, as gently as I can... EVERYONE is better than you, and you have good reason to feel demeaned, devalued and otherwise disenfranchised. Sorry for that, it's not me, it's the world... if it were just up to me, Nazis would get the same free pass as everyone else, but it isn't up to me.

Ummm . . . after "Full stop" the proper thing to do is to full stop - not go on with your rant.

So, next time you get the urge to "full stop" do it like this:

Full stop.

And the 2018 coulda, woulda, shoulda award..... wrote:
Oh brother, here we go again! DemonRats claiming “victory” after losing the special election in Ohio. The 2018 coulda, woulda, shoulda award, thus, goes to O’Connor and the Dems.
Just an FYI libs—a loss is a loss. Spin away but you didn’t win and the closeness of the election is not a harbinger of anything.

I agree with your sentiment. This close loss is somehow a major headline victory.

But that's for the political junkies.

That will be a three month term and they will vote again in November which should have a larger turnout.

Will that larger turnout flip yesterday's decision? We'll see.

Trump's endorsement here did two things:

- It got more of his base to come out , which may have put the Republican barely ahead.

- It got more anti-Trump people to vote , which may have made the election closer than it should have been.

We really don't know if Trump's endorsement was and will be a net positive or negative.

But a solid Republican district should not be that close.

What will happen with swing districts?

5 years ago 08/08/2018 10:26am EDT

re: Flagpole

Here are some things we need to keep in mind:

Trump is a criminal and will be exposed as such.

Yeah, that's pretty much the main thing.

Mueller is coming. BELIEVE it, for it is true.

The clown is done.

5 years ago 08/08/2018 10:29am EDT

re: PIO!

PIO! wrote:
unregistered banned registered poster wrote:
. . .
Your position on free speech, though, is what I'd like to focus on today. Most other first world societies have some form of right to free speech, but generally treat it as an ideal, rather than a back and white absolute. In Canada, hate speech is illegal. Your Supreme court declared "hate speech" has no legal meaning; smart legal minds in Canada determined that it can be defined, on a case by case basis with careful analysis. The bar to meet the definition is very high (as so it should), but not infinitely high (as in your position). We've already mentioned Germany's laws against Nazi or anti-Holocaust speech.
I imagine you worry about having any reasonable limits on free speech because surely if they can limit some speech, eventually all speech can be arbitrarily limited. That's an imaginary, hypothetical problem that doesn't exist in places where reasonable limits on hate speech are in place. I'm not sure why you Yanks couldn't also find a way to make it work.
Sorry, but your position on this one is INCORRECT!
To think that the government should be dictating what people can say (with the obvious exceptions of inciting violence or panic) is utterly preposterous.
Freedom matters.

Yep. Free speech means having to hear things you don't like. One of the tenets that makes our country great.

5 years ago 08/08/2018 10:44am EDT

re: Rigged for Hillary

Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Free speech and the First Amendment is long a liberal love. I'm a former journalist and so of course am for free speech. Donald Trump is very much an enemy of free speech. The press is a check on people in power. Just like the ACLU often defends vile people, you have to be for free speech for everyone if you have any integrity.
There is no argument on this topic. I agree 100% with Flagpole. Get on board liberals, you must defend free speech & the First Amendment for EVERYONE not just for those you agree with.

Like Flagpole said, liberals have long been champions of free speech. We are already on board.

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