So I give a list of policies and how it lead to growth and your response is that those policies did not lead to growth.
You cannot argue that Obama did not implement polices designed to help the economy recover.
And you certainly cannot argue that the economy did in fact recover and grow.
Look at job growth and unemployment numbers after the middle of 2010.
Look at GDP growth.
Look at market growth.
Those are facts.
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Hey Democrats,
You don’t want foreign countries meddling in our elections, do you? Nobody does. Then maybe we should make voter ID’s mandatory to ensure only American citizens are voting. Good idea? You will easily get the GOP on board with this. A win-win.
Or would that destroy your open borders narrative?
POTD
L L wrote:
yesIguess wrote:
If you have a few minutes, would you mind explaining to me how Obama's economic policies contributed to the current state of the economy today? What specific policies did he put in place to encourage growth in a capitalist, consumer based economy?
I could list in specific detail the policies from the right that has encouraged this growth, but I'd be interested to hear how Obama made this happen.
Leading up to the November 2008 election the US economy was in shambles. Obama was elected and took office in 2009.
His administration put in a large stimulus program. This included a number of tax breaks to help businesses and funding ordered for infrastructure.
The American car companies were failing and they put in a rescue plan that re-orged Chrysler and Chevy and gave a bump to Ford. Those companies along the the auto supply chain and US imports rebounded.
There was a cash for clunkers program that also helped sales.
For two years there was a temporary 2% reduction in employer SS withholding which was a direct benefit to lower wage earning Americans. And that help consumers spend which helps businesses.
That was followed by making the Bush tax cuts permanent for everyone making under $250K.
The ACA was passed which gave more Americans access to healthcare and healthcare providers ad insurance companies more customers.
The inherited 2009 budget had a huge deficit, mostly from the Great Recession. But the deficit was educed for 6 years in a row after that. All while having monthly job gains in that time.
And more importantly, the Obama administration did not make any major mistakes to set the economy or the federal budget backwards like the backfiring tariffs and budget breaking corporate tax breaks.
This ^^^^^
yesIguess wrote:
Tommy Jefferson wrote:
Did you know that Thomas Jefferson was not a Republican? Did you that Abraham Lincoln was a Republican?
Yeah, he was a democratic-republican. It was a party that believed in a limited government and individual liberty. They were directly opposed to the federalist party, which advocated for a strong central government. And yes, Lincoln was a republican.
What's your point? Or were you just asking if I knew haha?
Idiot. The term democratic-republican is used to distinguish what WAS originally called the Republican/Democrat party is in NO WAY related to today's Republican party. Of course you are too ignorant to understand that.
L L wrote:
So I give a list of policies and how it lead to growth and your response is that those policies did not lead to growth.
You cannot argue that Obama did not implement polices designed to help the economy recover.
And you certainly cannot argue that the economy did in fact recover and grow.
Look at job growth and unemployment numbers after the middle of 2010.
Look at GDP growth.
Look at market growth.
Those are facts.
Obama policies led to historically low growth rates during his term. As pointed out by Guess' mean right hook, Obama predicted that high growth rates were basically not possible anymore, only to be proved wrong in record time by Trump's reforms ... and Obama CAN'T take credit for it because he said it couldn't happen. Once again Liberals got it wrong.
Ohio is Trump Country wrote:
Ohio is still Trump country!!!!!
Suck on that, you hillary loving, Christian hating pieces of trash.
And Flagpole might be leaving the Buckeye State as well. He has been turned away from Fort Collins & South FL, thus far.
Ohio is Trump Country wrote:
Ohio is still Trump country!!!!!
Suck on that, you hillary loving, Christian hating pieces of trash.
Ohio's electoral vote total has been declining for decades. For the 2012 election it had 18 electoral votes, down from 21 in 2000 and down from a peak of 26 in 1968.
Basically Obama spent at records levels and growth was historically low. The Obama years pretty much proved that Kenyanesian economics don't work. Again, Liberalism gets it wrong, and of course they blamed Bush for all eight years of their failures. I can't support that.
Traitor TR☭MP is P☭TIN'S Puppet.
DiscoGary wrote:
While we're all colluding with Putin right now, maybe we should look into one of the issues he brought up. He accused our intelligence agencies of funneling $400 million into Hillary's campaign via Bill Browder. What the hell is that about? I haven't heard that name before. I think we need an independent council immediately, some FISA surveillance warrants based on manufactured evidence, with some spies planted in our intelligence community, and a sprinkling of office raids on lawyers. That's how we do things in the US when someone makes wild unfounded accusations.
As we have said many times, we are patiently waiting for Trump and clan to put their money where their mouth is and bring on the investigations into Hillary’s criminality. It seems to clear so why the hold up??? Why are we being denied this justice oh wise one?? We are waiting!
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Hey Democrats,
You don’t want foreign countries meddling in our elections, do you? Nobody does. Then maybe we should make voter ID’s mandatory to ensure only American citizens are voting. Good idea? You will easily get the GOP on board with this. A win-win.
If in-person voter fraud was a problem then I might indeed be on board.
But it's not a problem. Almost nobody is stupid enough to risk a felony conviction just to cast one extra vote.
Foreign countries don't affect elections using in-person voter fraud.
Instead, they use micro-targeted disinformation. They hack campaigns to steal vital information. They hack voter rolls. They funnel illegal contributions.
Come up with a truly good idea to combat these real problems and I'll be happy to go along.
DiscoGary wrote:
Obama CAN'T take credit for it because he said it couldn't happen.
Makes total sense, thanks Gary once again for your superb political scientist logic.
Comey is so terrified of being under investigation for leaking classified documents he's now out campaigning for Democrats in hopes they will shut it down and let him get away with it. If he ever was a Republican, that has gone out the window since he lives with an actively protesting p*ssy hat wearing wife & daughters.
XY wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Also, what about the horrible response to hurricane victims in Puerto Rico?
All of these egregious things that Trump has done do get pushed to the back burner because he has another one right behind it that needs new attention. What they do though is they tell you about his character, and that is why I have long known that Mueller will get him and that he is done. He has been an a$$hole for his entire life by all accounts. He has gotten away with criminal and sketchy behavior his whole adult life. That is about to end.
To date, his rolling over and putting his legs up to be petted by Putin is the worst thing he has done publicly since being in office. He greatly admires dictators who murder political opponents and journalists. Could he possibly ever go down that road? He has broken just about every other social norm. He has proven to be completely untrustworthy and only out to protect himself. Hopefully he will have enough sense to not go that far. Much better to just have to resign and avoid prison due to pardon and plea bargain than to spend the rest of his life in jail.
Do you remember when Howard Deans' slightly awkward "scream" cost him dearly and caused him to cease his run for the POTUS? Hilariously minor compared to the hundreds of Trumps major foibles.
Yep. And how badly the press ripped on Dukakis for riding in that tank or Romney for saying "binders full of women". Gary Hart likely would have been President if he didn't have an affair. Small potatoes all of those things compared to Trump. NOTHING compares to what Trump has done and continues to do.
Trollminator wrote:
DiscoGary wrote:
While we're all colluding with Putin right now, maybe we should look into one of the issues he brought up. He accused our intelligence agencies of funneling $400 million into Hillary's campaign via Bill Browder. What the hell is that about? I haven't heard that name before. I think we need an independent council immediately, some FISA surveillance warrants based on manufactured evidence, with some spies planted in our intelligence community, and a sprinkling of office raids on lawyers. That's how we do things in the US when someone makes wild unfounded accusations.
As we have said many times, we are patiently waiting for Trump and clan to put their money where their mouth is and bring on the investigations into Hillary’s criminality. It seems to clear so why the hold up??? Why are we being denied this justice oh wise one?? We are waiting!
Because our FBI and DOJ are corrupt. They covered for Hillary and tried to take out Trump. We know this now. There will be no justice because the institutions that would deliver that justice refuse to do it. We are living in a banana republic.
DiscoGary wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
As we have said many times, we are patiently waiting for Trump and clan to put their money where their mouth is and bring on the investigations into Hillary’s criminality. It seems to clear so why the hold up??? Why are we being denied this justice oh wise one?? We are waiting!
Because our FBI and DOJ are corrupt. They covered for Hillary and tried to take out Trump. We know this now. There will be no justice because the institutions that would deliver that justice refuse to do it. We are living in a banana republic.
you know you have it backwards. They went hard on Hillary and they went very very easy on Trump.
The IG found Comey f'd up by tilting the election with just a few weeks to go.
And they kept their investigation of the Trump campaign's many. many. many, many, many, many, Russian contacts with Russia and Russia's help for trump secret. Secret.
but you be you.
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Also, what about the horrible response to hurricane victims in Puerto Rico?
All of these egregious things that Trump has done do get pushed to the back burner because he has another one right behind it that needs new attention. What they do though is they tell you about his character, and that is why I have long known that Mueller will get him and that he is done. He has been an a$$hole for his entire life by all accounts. He has gotten away with criminal and sketchy behavior his whole adult life. That is about to end.
To date, his rolling over and putting his legs up to be petted by Putin is the worst thing he has done publicly since being in office. He greatly admires dictators who murder political opponents and journalists. Could he possibly ever go down that road? He has broken just about every other social norm. He has proven to be completely untrustworthy and only out to protect himself. Hopefully he will have enough sense to not go that far. Much better to just have to resign and avoid prison due to pardon and plea bargain than to spend the rest of his life in jail.
How about holding the San Juan Mayor responsible for fraud regarding federal relief funds? This has nothing to do with Trump.
"San Juan mayor Carmen Yulín Cruz and her party are facing fraud charges relating to the embezzlement of over $3 million in federal funds, just months after appearing on CNN and blaming President Trump for mishandling the Puerto Rico hurricane disaster response.
Despite the fact that the U.S. government sent emergency workers, supplies and billions of dollars to the territory, its Democrat-allied politicians still pointed a finger at the president — and the left-leaning mainstream media happily spread the “blame Trump” narrative.
As comparisons to George W. Bush and Hurricane Katrina grew, figures like San Juan Mayor Carmen Yulín Cruz attacked Trump for supposedly mishandling the disaster response, despite the fact that emergency management experts praised the president and FEMA’s actions.'
Mueller never
Clownpole forever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaezLjb00WI
Doesn't absolve Trump of a poor response to all those American citizens in Puerto Rico.
DiscoGary wrote:
Basically Obama spent at records levels and growth was historically low. The Obama years pretty much proved that Kenyanesian economics don't work. Again, Liberalism gets it wrong, and of course they blamed Bush for all eight years of their failures. I can't support that.
See that word in bold Gary - that's a key word here. You are a simpleton who is satisfied with a headline view that fits your dislike for the guy. Never mind that it was Bush who at the end of his term implemented most of those economy-saving policies you call so destructive. Never mind that Obama led us out of that hole and delivered desperately needed economic stability, well ahead of other economies that were in similar trouble. Go get your head checked.
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Ohio is Trump Country wrote:
Ohio is still Trump country!!!!!
Suck on that, you hillary loving, Christian hating pieces of trash.
And Flagpole might be leaving the Buckeye State as well. He has been turned away from Fort Collins & South FL, thus far.
Turned away?
South Florida is too hurricane-risky for me to want to live there.
Fort Collins is too uninteresting for me to want to live there.
DiscoGary wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
As we have said many times, we are patiently waiting for Trump and clan to put their money where their mouth is and bring on the investigations into Hillary’s criminality. It seems to clear so why the hold up??? Why are we being denied this justice oh wise one?? We are waiting!
Because our FBI and DOJ are corrupt. They covered for Hillary and tried to take out Trump. We know this now. There will be no justice because the institutions that would deliver that justice refuse to do it. We are living in a banana republic.
I admit I asked the question just to laugh at your response. I cannot get enough of the Deep State lecture. Mind telling us when you expect Trump to finally hold the keys to the Deep State. Seems a little odd and unfair that people who are no longer around still control the whole system. When will it ever be the victim Trump’s turn?
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RENATO can you talk about the preparation of Emile Cairess 2:06
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