Jose el Plomero wrote:
Trump would never do time.
Pence would pardon him, no doubt about it.
If they are all just Federal crimes, I agree. We will have to see how it all goes down.
At this point, I am not expecting Trump to serve jail time. If I am wrong about anything, this is it and he WILL serve jail time. I don't think I will be wrong though...he will be free from jail. That's a shame.
sheethole countries wrote:
Jose el Plomero wrote:
Trump would never do time.
Pence would pardon him, no doubt about it.
Trump needs to do hard time as part of the general prison population. That way the males of families that have been separated and prepared for decoration, bad hombres, and the men from sh!thole countries can let him know what they think about him.
??? damn you, auto-correct.
deportation
Someone is really desperate to kill the Iran deal
"It is a measure of how effective the Iran deal has been that anyone [*] would even think to stoop so low as to discredit its authors. But it is also measure of how foolish we would be rip it up regardless, without any assurances of anything to take its place."
[*] President Trump hired an Israeli private intelligence agency, Black Cube, to "dig up dirt" on former Obama administration officials involved in negotiating and/or defending the deal as part of an effort to discredit them and, by association, the deal itself.
Is Melania Trump pulling our leg?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2018/05/08/is-melania-trump-pulling-our-leg/
Fat hurts wrote:
Let's see if we can have a serious discussion. Trump is expected to announce that we are pulling out of the Iran nuclear deal.
Can anyone give a good, logical reason why we should do this?
Or is this just Trump tearing down anything Obama did regardless of the cost to humanity?
So we currently have a deal with Iran where we lessened sanctions imposed on them in exchange for them limiting their nuclear capabilities. And there is periodic testing to make sure they are in compliance.
Trump want to reneg on that deal, which would say that the US does not hold up its end of a bargain.
If he imposes sanctions then by all rights, Iran can go back to making their bombs.
Trump wants Iran to make bombs now.
I mean, what incentive would Iran have to strike a new deal with Trump?
L L wrote:
I mean, what incentive would Iran have to strike a new deal with Trump?
. . . likewise North Korea
Monkeys typing wrote:
L L wrote:
I mean, what incentive would Iran have to strike a new deal with Trump?
. . . likewise North Korea
Trump has now decided to pull out of the Iran deal.
Just so we are clear, not a single Trumper on this board can tell us why this is a good idea.
Fat hurts wrote:
Just so we are clear, not a single Trumper on this board can tell us why this is a good idea.
Trump's followers were told this was the worst deal ever. They were never told why this is the case. So, to keep up with his promise to pull out of the deal, he's pulling out to deliver on his promise which was based on nothing.
What is it that bothers Israel about the deal?
Fat hurts wrote:
Monkeys typing wrote:
. . . likewise North Korea
Trump has now decided to pull out of the Iran deal.
Just so we are clear, not a single Trumper on this board can tell us why this is a good idea.
Because it's a terrible idea. They have complied and kept their end of the bargain. The deal was an excellent example of how to implement successful actionable policy. It was a definite stabilizer in the region, the only fallout was Netanyahu throwing a tantrum. The message Trump just sent to them and their people is once again that Americans can't be trusted. Not only that, we clearly support further arming the Saudis and have been provoking Israel's neighbors with the embassy debacle. There is no other way to read this, it's clear incompetence and warmongering by Trump. Republicans won't speak up against it and the base just can't get enough of stupid leaders. I thought Bush set off some light bulbs but clearly I'm wrong.
Jose el Plomero wrote:
Trump would never do time.
Pence would pardon him, no doubt about it.
Unless Trump's case got drawn out past election and we have a Democrat in the WH when his sentence is given. I can see it playing out like OJ, he will not see prison time until karma gets him later.
The Fokus wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
Just so we are clear, not a single Trumper on this board can tell us why this is a good idea.
Trump's followers were told this was the worst deal ever. They were never told why this is the case. So, to keep up with his promise to pull out of the deal, he's pulling out to deliver on his promise which was based on nothing.
What is it that bothers Israel about the deal?
It didn't bother Israel, it bothered Netanyahu. He was always a fearmongering hardliner. He, like Bush did, told his people and paraded at the UN that Iran would never comply and that they pretty much had the a-bomb (remember that ridiculous chart?). He was afraid of losing power, so the only real consequence was him throwing a tantrum. Peace must always be welcome. Anytime we have leaders backing out of good solutions and check mechanism we have a big problem. You can guess what is going to fill the vacuum.
The Iran thing is interesting, but I still haven't heard from Rigged for Hillary where it is he is getting his information from that Trump is so innocent. I am very interested to know.
He and everyone needs to remember...
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Flagpole wrote:
The Iran thing is interesting, but I still haven't heard from Rigged for Hillary where it is he is getting his information from that Trump is so innocent. I am very interested to know.
He and everyone needs to remember...
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
All we are going to get is radio silence from trumpers on this.
Glad he withdrew from the Iran deal. Not about Iran, about NK.
M.A.G.A.
Flagpole wrote:
John Pemberton wrote:
1) Your response was not helpful. You are just barfing out Trump talking points. Someone or something has made Rigged For Hillary honestly believe that Trump is not in danger here, and I'd like to know what that is.
2) Your head is in the sand if you believe collusion (conspiracy) with Russia will not be proven. What we know publicly already proves it, and there is for sure stuff we don't know yet. Here's what we know - Russians contacted Donald Trump Jr. and said they wanted to have a meeting to give him dirt on Hillary. Don Jr. responded "...I love it especially later in the summer". That tells that that he is amenable and then he tells them when to do it. That is enough right there. And then they HAVE the meeting, complete with a Russian lawyer who has ties to the Kremlin...AND this was pointed out in the e-mails that she was a "Russian government lawyer". That is slam dunk. The fact that then later the dirt on Hillary DID come out is just gravy, but it is not needed. There is not "attempted conspiracy". This was conspiracy. Evidence that Don Jr. called a blocked number after the meeting. I wonder who that was?
3) You and other Trumpers like to bring up the potential ills of others as if that protects Donald Trump in some way. If any FBI employees were criminal in their behavior, then lets go get them! I couldn't care less if they pay the price. Donald Trump will though, no matter what happens to these FBI employees.
4) I never lose my mind, and I am not here. I am just right, and I have asked a simple question of Rigged for Hillary to show me what is making him so sure of himself. Perhaps there is a sage out there that I don't know about who can make me see that I am wrong. I doubt it, but I leave that to Rigged for Hillary to show me.
5) Your childish responses aside, I AM right today. I will be PROVEN right when Mueller is done with his investigation.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Those of us living in the light of reason hope Mueller will pull it off. I don't share your confidence but I respect it. But can we really say that executive malfeasance (or chicanery prior to getting elected) has ever successfully ensnared the ring leaders? Nixon was pardoned, and not even charged with his worst crimes, which occurred on the eve of the election. His secretary of state went on to win the Nobel Prize, making a mockery of the award. Iran-Contra garnered no major prosecutions. But perhaps this time could be different? It would be a stroke for justice to see Jared K. go to jail. What concerns me however is the degree to which those on the right who don't care about Trump are watching this whole investigation with glee, because it is a useful distraction while they do their worst. They are all too happy to be taking apart the regulatory function of the government and dismantling social services while this plays out. They are probably reasonably certain Trump will go down one way or another and happy to ride the gravy train in the meantime. The mandate they have to do this is based upon an astonishingly small percentage of the American electorate, underscoring the degree to which a small portion of very wealthy people are controlling the direction of the country right now. It has ever been thus, but not anywhere near this degree.
You make good points. Here are my reactions to many of them.
1) Nixon was pardoned, but, lets remember that he did resign (and also that accepting a pardon means admitting guilt). While I believe Trump deserves extensive prison time, what is helpful with regard to him is that he is removed from office. Prison time for Trump, again while deserved, mostly will serve as a deterrent to other future despot wannabes...that's valuable, but if he were removed from office and then didn't serve jail time, as far as punishing The Orange One, I could accept that. Would be a shame though if he serves no jail time just for the future despot wannabes out there.
2) Good point about the Iran-Contra stuff. There were 12 people indicted. Reagan skated due to his "plausible deniability". I don't think Trump can do that here.
3) Jared K. will likely go to jail.
4) I'm not on board with most of the Republican agenda either, but normal policy disagreements are fine and even good for America. I have long said I want a strong Republican Party, because no party should have complete power forever. Democrats are going to have an upswing for a little while, and then the Republicans will center themselves and come back, and it will continue going back and forth for a long time yet.
5) I know your comment about "not anywhere near this degree" was not aimed at Trump and his illegal activities, but it applies there also. Nixon and Bill Clinton are choir boys compared to Donald Trump.
Donald Trump is so screwed.
The big three are - Obstruction of justice, money laundering, and collusion (conspiracy) with Russia. He will be found guilty of all of those things. Seems ridiculous to know that and yet not be sure that he will serve time in prison. Obstruction of Justice is typically punishable by up to 5 years in prison. Felony convictions for money laundering (each count) range from 3 years to 12.5 years in prison. Each count of conspiracy to "defraud the United States" which is what this will be, carries a sentence up to 5 years in prison.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.[/quote]
Well let's hope! I may need treatment at Betty Ford for the results of my celebration if Kushner and Trump are jailed.
dudeee wrote:
Glad he withdrew from the Iran deal. Not about Iran, about NK.
M.A.G.A.
Why are you glad? Is there any actual reason you don't like the Iran deal or are you just following Trump?
Why are you glad? Is there any actual reason you don't like the Iran deal or are you just following Trump?[/quote]from the leverage standpoint I mean
M.A.G.A.
Trollminator wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
The Iran thing is interesting, but I still haven't heard from Rigged for Hillary where it is he is getting his information from that Trump is so innocent. I am very interested to know.
He and everyone needs to remember...
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
All we are going to get is radio silence from trumpers on this.
How's that collusion coming along? Trump ripped up the deal with terrorist state Iran and will reimpose sanctions. Putin wanted Trump to stay in the Iran deal, stay out of Syria, and stop arming Ukraine and Poland. Trump didn't care. Trump is the worst Russian agent, ever!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DcsbC81U0AAH7i4.jpgMueller never
Clownpole forever
M.A.G.A. !!!
Flagpole wrote:
Rigged for Hillary,
You have been feeling very froggy lately.
I am curious what the reason is. Who is it that has given you this misplaced confidence?
Rush Limbaugh?
Sean Hannity?
Someone else? (hard to know who this is as even Neil Cavuto at Fox has told Trump how it is).
The thing is that this is not just a difference of opinion based on policy or something like that. It's not like we are having differing opinions on whether trickle down economics works.
You are ignoring Trump's serial lying that is provable.
You are ignoring the fact that all these people who have been around Trump have been indicted and/or admitted guilt
You are ignoring all of the hard evidence that collusion (conspiracy) with Russia is not a hoax and is a real issue.
You are ignoring the fact that Mueller is obviously strategically leaving Kushner and Ivanka and Don Jr. and ultimately Trump himself for last.
You are ignoring Trump's business associates who have ties Russia, have spent time in prison for money laundering, etc.
So, what is it? Who is telling you that all of this is going to be ok for him?
I honestly want to know. Perhaps there is someone out there with a good point that I haven't considered. I listen to as many different points of view as I can, and there are two who I stay away from like the plague - Alex Jones, because he's a nutbar, and Rachael Maddow, because she can never get to the point.
I am admitting that there is something I don't know here, and you have the opportunity to educate me when I am honestly open to it, so again, who is it that is making you feel so confident that Trump will prevail?
I don't listen to Hannity or Rush or Alex Jones or Fox talking heads. I am however, a long time fan of radio legend Howard Stern (who happens to be a liberal). Other than that, not much of a TV watcher. The more Trump makes liberal heads explode, the more I laugh at you guys.
Mueller hasn't proven anything.
You certainly have all the MSNBC & CNN talking points lined up.
Until Trump's associates show a provable link to your Russian collusion fantasies, you got nothing
This is a witch hunt
Mueller never
Clownpole forever
Am I living in the twilight zone? The Boston Marathon weather was terrible!
Is there a rule against attaching a helium balloon to yourself while running a road race?
How rare is it to run a sub 5 minute mile AND bench press 225?
Move over Mark Coogan, Rojo and John Kellogg share their 3 favorite mile workouts
Mark Coogan says that if you could only do 3 workouts as a 1500m runner you should do these
Matt Choi was drinking beer halfway through the Boston Marathon
