Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

Count Chocula wrote:

Racket wrote:

Probably resign but claim victory or something stupid. I'm much more concerned about the cynical wave that will follow. Millions of voters will completely lose faith in the system and become even more disaffected, believing there's no hope of representation and fair game in Washington. If Trump is ousted before the 2020 election, expect record low voter turnout.

I didn't search for it but I recall a speech where Trump said it would only take "a year, maybe two" to fix the country. I think he also said he would resign after that because there would be nothing left to do. Yes it was a joke but I would not be shocked if he did indeed resign and either claim victory, or say that it's impossible to do anything because of obstructionist Democrats.

I think there is no way this guy resigns. Even if impeached and convicted he will sit in the White House until physically removed. Trump is godless and disgusting, but he's not a quitter.

DAMN YOU DEEP STATE!!!!

While FoxNews can certainly be pro Trump and anti truth, since the Cohen "raid" (interesting that the subject of the "raid", Cohen, doesn't couch it in that fashion), it appears Trump called all of his inside guys to rail against the DOJ in general, the AGs, and Mueller. Guys such as DiGenova have no credibility and appear to be more on the Trump payroll than any sort of rational thinkers.

Rosenstein can be fired and an interim replacement named. Whoever that is will have the power to narrow the focus of the Mueller investigation, fire Mueller and end the look into Cohen. At this point, I think it highly likely that we see the firing and the narrowing. At this point, it doesn't matter to Trump how much he costs his party. His only concern, as it always is, is about himself. I think the only way Trump does not take a major step towards ending or limiting the investigation at this point is if enough Republicans give strong indication that they would support an impeachment proceeding which I think has little chance of happening at this point.

Racket wrote:

Addicts are victims too but you know what? They hurt people around them as well. The Democratic party needs to do a lot of things. My point is that it's going to be increasingly difficult to reach those working class people if Trump is thrown out of office. Whether he deserves it or not, in this hypothetical situation, is useless. These people loved him and actually thought he was going to "drain the swap." If he get's tossed out, do you really think they'll say "well the legal process here really seems to have uncovered a lot of evidence against the president and after a thorough review and proper litigation, it seems that the sitting president is in fact guilty of crimes" or will they shout "corrupt politicians in DC were out to get him!!!!!!!"

That's an easy problem to solve. You just need to find a Democratic candidate who is willing to build the wall. Say that's the one thing Trump was right about and you are done.

Fat hurts wrote:

I think there is no way this guy resigns. Even if impeached and convicted he will sit in the White House until physically removed. Trump is godless and disgusting, but he's not a quitter.

During the early days of Trump's presidency, I thought he might end up resigning after some positive moves. My feeling was that he really didn't want the job. At this point, I agree with the above. I don't think there's any chance he resigns.

DiscoGary wrote:

The first step in empathizing with disenfranchised people is to stop insulting them, stop dehumanizing them. Am I the only one who's noticed that the only group of people ever accused of being "uneducated, angry, and racist" are struggling white men? Any other group who is struggling in society is portrayed as some kind of victim who deserves our sympathy and all the help we can muster, and they get it.

You're getting there. When you can finally see white men as human beings like everyone else and stop insulting them as uneducated racists, then the country will start heading in the right direction.

Let's see if this kind of talk makes into the MSM. I'm not optimistic.

There was a reason beyond racism (though some did vote for Trump because he enabled their racist ideals) that people voted for Trump. Nothing he has done has helped them. Manufacturing jobs are not flooding back to the US. Coal isn't going to be a viable industry. The tax cut ultimately hurts them long term, and even medium term. The rising stock market we saw in 2017 (been down so far in 2018) didn't help them...it helped wealthy educated people like me.

Trumpers like to point to ISIS almost being completely defeated. That was the case when Obama left office...just a continuing of the same to continue to diminish them.

Trumpers like to point to the economy. The economy was great and the stock market had been on a record run for years under Obama. Trump primed the stock market a bit with deregulation and tax cuts for companies, but again, that didn't help base Trump supporters.

We are now into 2018.

The lies Trump has spewed since elected are almost beyond countable. He has proven to have no leadership abilities. He has proven that horrible unqualified people like to work for him. He has shown us what a racist he is, what a misogynist he is, what an adulterer he is, what a serial liar he is, what an amoral person he is. He has created such a toxic work environment that people have left the White House at three times the rate that they left GWB's White House and more than twice that of Obama's. The exodus of sitting Republicans in the house, including the Speaker, shows how much damage he has caused to his party...and this is with a booming economy going on!

When you add in the fact that he is obviously guilty of something, and something BIG, it is just ridiculous at this point to continue to support him on any level. He's Ryan Leaf. You THOUGHT he would come in an drain the imaginary swamp and yet we see cabinet-level people spending crazy amounts of our tax dollars on ridiculous things, we see scandal from the White House never before seen. But, just like Ryan Leaf, he failed to live up to the hype.

He is perhaps the worst human being walking free today, but besides that, he's a criminal, and he will be found out.

Fair of you to go find someone who doesn't just toe either party line, but Donald Trump is not who you should be supporting. He's a liar. He's a fraud. He's a racist. He's a misogynist. He's an adulterer. He's a criminal.

Mueller is coming.

The clown is done.

The Fokus wrote:

Rosenstein can be fired and an interim replacement named. Whoever that is will have the power to narrow the focus of the Mueller investigation, fire Mueller and end the look into Cohen.

Mueller is not looking into Cohen. Trump cannot stop the Cohen Thingy.

The Fokus wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

I think there is no way this guy resigns. Even if impeached and convicted he will sit in the White House until physically removed. Trump is godless and disgusting, but he's not a quitter.

During the early days of Trump's presidency, I thought he might end up resigning after some positive moves. My feeling was that he really didn't want the job. At this point, I agree with the above. I don't think there's any chance he resigns.

I will be shocked if he has to be physically removed from the White House. If he resigns, he gets to say it was for whatever reason he wants...that he could just see he could not get a fair shake, that it was taking a toll on him and Melania, that it wasn't the job he thought it would be, and on and on. He cares about saving face pretty much above all else. He would not want the image of him being forcefully removed from the White House to be how we remember his end.

Just like what happened with Nixon, when the truth about his crimes is revealed, impeachment proceedings will begin, and then Republican Senators will come to him and tell him the Senate has the votes to convict. He will likely resign at that point. I think I am beyond being shocked by this amoral person, but if he allowed the impeachment proceedings to go all the way through to the Senate, especially if it is clear he will be voted out, I WILL be shocked...less so if there is a chance the Senate doesn't convict him.

Flagpole wrote:

When you add in the fact that he is obviously guilty of something, and something BIG.....

.....Mueller is coming.

The clown is done.

While I hope that this is all true, I still have my doubts. While Trump acts like about as guilty a party as one can be, I wonder what his biggest concern is. As someone who believes his entire "story" is built on a bed of flowers, I think it's possible that he's most worried about something that may not even be criminal in nature. First of all, he may not really know what's criminal in nature but that is a secondary issue.

What I still believe is that he is most concerned about is the public finding out the truth about him. That is, to a great degree, that he is nowhere near as wealthy as he likes to advertise himself as. This manifests himself every time an investigation gets near his finances which I will guess will show the public what he doesn't want them to see. Now it's possible that there is some aspects of criminal behavior within his finances but, being the fact that he is completely ego (and not morally) driven, that he is much more concerned about the public truth of his finances than even a jail term.

I think it is very possible that the Mueller investigation ends up with a lot of smoke around Trump but nothing clear cut as to any guilt. What Trump wants is to seal the financial records.

I don't think he cares how he will be remembered when he is gone. He only cares about what people think of him now. Resignation, to him, would be like an admission of guilt.

Also, Trump would just love to see rioting in the streets on his behalf. It would feed his ego and make him proud.

Flagpole wrote:

Just like what happened with Nixon, when the truth about his crimes is revealed, impeachment proceedings will begin, and then Republican Senators will come to him and tell him the Senate has the votes to convict.

What truth? At this point I think there's little chance Republicans go against the party line when push comes to shove. Whether those who are anti-Trump like it or not, he still has the best chance to win in 2020.

DiscoGary wrote:

Trollminator wrote:

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Gary thinks everyone who voted for Trump did so because they really liked him and thought he was going to drain the swamp. ....

No. Gary thinks most people voted for Trump because both political parties ignored them.

Trump is essentially a third-party guy, and now we know what happens when a third-party outsider gets into DC. Both parties and the entire bureaucracy in DC conspire to throw him out of power.

Oh no no no... he is not "third party", otherwise he would have as an independent with views that are different than the GOP's. He is a Republican, for the record.

The Fokus wrote:

Whether those who are anti-Trump like it or not, he still has the best chance to win in 2020.

This is not true at all. Trump has ZERO chance in 2020. He won't run, even if he is not impeached.

Trollminator wrote:

DiscoGary wrote:

No. Gary thinks most people voted for Trump because both political parties ignored them.

Trump is essentially a third-party guy, and now we know what happens when a third-party outsider gets into DC. Both parties and the entire bureaucracy in DC conspire to throw him out of power.

Oh no no no... he is not "third party", otherwise he would have as an independent with views that are different than the GOP's. He is a Republican, for the record.

Trump ran as a Republican. He cannot be 3rd party.

also ran . . . wrote:

Trollminator wrote:

Oh no no no... he is not "third party", otherwise he would have as an independent with views that are different than the GOP's. He is a Republican, for the record.

Trump ran as a Republican. He cannot be 3rd party.

Did the Republican party want Trump to win the nomination? No.

Did the Republican party want Trump to win the election? No.

Did the Republican party help Trump with his agenda? No.

Is the Republican party helping to defend Trump from persecution? No.

Obviously he came in and took over a failing Republican party, but he's an outsider and he's being attacked from every direction. ... and he's making America great again in the middle of all the chaos!

This is exactly how a third party candidate would be treated.

DiscoGary wrote:

also ran . . . wrote:

Trump ran as a Republican. He cannot be 3rd party.

Did the Republican party want Trump to win the nomination? No.

Did the Republican party want Trump to win the election? No.

Did the Republican party help Trump with his agenda? No.

Is the Republican party helping to defend Trump from persecution? No.

Obviously he came in and took over a failing Republican party, but he's an outsider and he's being attacked from every direction. ... and he's making America great again in the middle of all the chaos!

America was already great. Trump is making it less great, but we will survive the mess he is creating and become an even better country.

Trump created the chaos so he should own up and take responsibility for it. But, since he isn't a leader, he'll just deflect and blame everyone else.

foo wrote:

DiscoGary wrote:

Did the Republican party want Trump to win the nomination? No.

Did the Republican party want Trump to win the election? No.

Did the Republican party help Trump with his agenda? No.

Is the Republican party helping to defend Trump from persecution? No.

Obviously he came in and took over a failing Republican party, but he's an outsider and he's being attacked from every direction. ... and he's making America great again in the middle of all the chaos!

America was already great. Trump is making it less great, but we will survive the mess he is creating and become an even better country.

Trump created the chaos so he should own up and take responsibility for it. But, since he isn't a leader, he'll just deflect and blame everyone else.

Trump is bigly turning the USA into a sh!thole country.

DiscoGary wrote:

also ran . . . wrote:

Trump ran as a Republican. He cannot be 3rd party.

Did the Republican party want Trump to win the nomination? No.

Did the Republican party want Trump to win the election? No.

Did the Republican party help Trump with his agenda? No.

Is the Republican party helping to defend Trump from persecution? No.

Actually Gary, the answer to every one of those questions is, "yes".

You could make an argument that the answer is "no" for "Republican Establishment". But the "Republican party" voted for Trump, they are responsible for Trump, and by a wide margin, they still support and defend the godless Trump.

Face it, the party is stuck with their big Republican Elephant Turd.