donearun0 wrote:
s the glass half full or half empty...
Hasay is BACK baby!!! 68:40 half-marathon debut in subpar conditions, #2 American debut ever!!
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All this whining about people applauding Hasay. Failed to get on with their own day. His glass is completely empty, same as his brain.
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Dc chillin wrote:
Would just like the challenge notion of tough conditions. Obviously no humidity is preferable to humidity and 50 degrees would be preferable to 70 degrees, but in reality 70 and humid is nothing. I live in dc and from April to October it's 80-90+ with 95-100 percent humidity every single day. Not the best running weather and u sweat alot but people still can throw down good race times without weather as an excuse. Not taking anything away from Hasay I was very impressed. On the men's side is was just a bad race forget a little bit of humidity.
There is no guessing or opinion about it, H&H definitely affects you quite a bit. 50 compared to 70 with 90+ H is almost like night and day in a 13.1 mile distance. Those conditions make you feel like you are racing at altitude. Although, it does not affect everyone one the same way, but I don't of anyone who not is affected by even a 10 point swing in H&H. At 50 degrees, will low H, Hasay probably would have run a minute faster. -
No doubt Hasay would have run faster in better weather, I was spectating and it was very humid. I'm surprised no reporter asked her about her shoes. They were huge, really big heels. Could this be the spring shoe we've heard rumored?
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How many of those times are on certified courses? I know Gouchers 66:57 is on a net downhill, and Kastor has the AR.
Or not wrote:
GoDucks!!!!!!!! wrote:
Apparently, many people give a $hit about the half-marathon, as evidenced by these boards.
Great race for Hasay - and hope she has a great run at Boston.
Or these boards seem to weigh in heavily on anything connected to the NOP....
Someone mentioned earlier that Des Linden would kill for a faster half marathon time and I think she's more than satisfied with 2 Olympic teams and a runner-up Boston finish but in comparing their PBs the USA T&F website had the following
Linden
5m 15:08
10m 31:37
Half 1:10:34
Marathon 2:22:38
Hasay
5m 15:37
10m 31:38
Half 1:08:40
Also the US all-time lists for the half (although not sure how accurate as they didn't have Flanagan's 67:52...)
Goucher 66:57
Kastor 67:34
Huddle 67:41
Flanagan 67:52
Kastor 67:53
Goucher 68:05
Samuelson 68:23
Goucher 68:30
Flanagan 68:31
Huddle 68:31
Samuelson 68:34
Flanagan 68:36
Although again with the half not getting the recognition it makes one wonder how many times an athlete is actually training specifically for that distance and that race as I'd guess hardly ever. Linden isn't even close but her marathon best beats Goucher by over 2 minutes (Goucher's = 2:24:52) -
Dc chillin wrote:
Would just like the challenge notion of tough conditions. Obviously no humidity is preferable to humidity and 50 degrees would be preferable to 70 degrees, but in reality 70 and humid is nothing. I live in dc and from April to October it's 80-90+ with 95-100 percent humidity every single day. Not the best running weather and u sweat alot but people still can throw down good race times without weather as an excuse.
So you're saying that the dew point is typically 75-90 degrees in DC for half the year? Humidity isn't measured in percentage, and relative humidity is only useful in context with the dry bulb temperature.
I don't have the exact race conditions, but a mid 60s dew point, with nearly saturated air, is not ideal conditions for humans to dissipate heat. Those conditions will slow down every single runner in the race. -
There are no tough conditions when you are on a keyboard in your mom's basement.
Htown wrote:
Dc chillin wrote:
Would just like the challenge notion of tough conditions. Obviously no humidity is preferable to humidity and 50 degrees would be preferable to 70 degrees, but in reality 70 and humid is nothing. I live in dc and from April to October it's 80-90+ with 95-100 percent humidity every single day. Not the best running weather and u sweat alot but people still can throw down good race times without weather as an excuse.
So you're saying that the dew point is typically 75-90 degrees in DC for half the year? Humidity isn't measured in percentage, and relative humidity is only useful in context with the dry bulb temperature.
I don't have the exact race conditions, but a mid 60s dew point, with nearly saturated air, is not ideal conditions for humans to dissipate heat. Those conditions will slow down every single runner in the race. -
Man with a time like that if she can sting two of those together she can be just over half a mile behind Paula's WR
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Based on the interview, it looks like Hasay is going for a 2:24 at Boston.
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Ummn....
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Dc chillin wrote:
Would just like the challenge notion of tough conditions. Obviously no humidity is preferable to humidity and 50 degrees would be preferable to 70 degrees, but in reality 70 and humid is nothing. I live in dc and from April to October it's 80-90+ with 95-100 percent humidity every single day. Not the best running weather and u sweat alot but people still can throw down good race times without weather as an excuse. Not taking anything away from Hasay I was very impressed. On the men's side is was just a bad race forget a little bit of humidity.
Throw down good race times?
Remember, we're talking about 13.1 miles here, not a mile on the track. The higher distances will be severely more impacted by the heat. I wouldn't say 70 and humidity is nothing. I highly doubt the bulk of runners doing races in 80-90 degrees with 95%-100% are actually putting down times to their true potential. Plus, Hasay trains up at Oregon so she's not exactly acclimatized to the conditions that were seen at Houston.
There's no way around it, 70 and humidity for 13.1 miles deserves the conversation of conditions being a factor. It was a factor, and I honestly think you could take at least 4 seconds off a mile for it (57 seconds for the race). -
Exactly. I am still waiting for the list of all men's and women's world records in the marathon and half-marathon that were set when the temperature was above 70 degrees F. The answer might be: 0.00
However, we still have a wee problem with your post:
Unfortunately, your LetsRunMath.com says >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
13.1 x 4 = 57
In conclusion:
1) The situation at LetsRun.com is still an absolute hopeless debacle in 2017.
2) O'Boy (Irish)!!!
3) I gave up on Jan. 3, 2017 at 3:33.33.333333…∞…∞…∞…^∞…^∞…^∞…etc…et cetera..et cetera …and so on…and so on…etc…^∞… … … -
TrackBot! 59:32 Half Marathon VDOT!
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NOP Skeptic wrote:
. I highly doubt the bulk of runners doing races in 80-90 degrees with 95%-100% are actually putting down times to their true potential.
I know I'm being a dead horse, but 90 degrees with 95% rh doesn't exist in nature outside of the most extreme cases. That equates to a 88.5 dew point, which is 1.5 less than the highest value ever recorded in the US. The highest dew point ever recorded on earth was 95 degrees in Iran a few years ago.
TLDR - Intense distance running with mid 80s dew points is a quick way to end up in the ER, even for a fit runner. -
i remember when i broke 1:09 for the first time and was like 45th place or something and went back to work at my desk job a couple days later
great race, not taking anything away from her. but mens athletics is so offing different
hasay nation wrote:
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What a half, Hasay! Would love to see her run the times of her dreams. Consistent insane work over all these years. Like they say, "Keep getting up and moving forward", geez the girl must love distance.
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wohk wrote:
khow wrote:
Desi Linden wishes she could run 68:40 on a bad day.
Desi Linden has made two olympic teams.
both can be true fam.
