Would just like the challenge notion of tough conditions. Obviously no humidity is preferable to humidity and 50 degrees would be preferable to 70 degrees, but in reality 70 and humid is nothing. I live in dc and from April to October it's 80-90+ with 95-100 percent humidity every single day. Not the best running weather and u sweat alot but people still can throw down good race times without weather as an excuse. Not taking anything away from Hasay I was very impressed. On the men's side is was just a bad race forget a little bit of humidity.
Hasay is BACK baby!!! 68:40 half-marathon debut in subpar conditions, #2 American debut ever!!
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Dc chillin wrote:
Would just like the challenge notion of tough conditions. Obviously no humidity is preferable to humidity and 50 degrees would be preferable to 70 degrees, but in reality 70 and humid is nothing. I live in dc and from April to October it's 80-90+ with 95-100 percent humidity every single day. Not the best running weather and u sweat alot but people still can throw down good race times without weather as an excuse. Not taking anything away from Hasay I was very impressed. On the men's side is was just a bad race forget a little bit of humidity.
The smaller core athlete tends to performs better in the heat than thicker trunked athletes - easier to disapate core heat. -
Dc chillin wrote:
Would just like the challenge notion of tough conditions. Obviously no humidity is preferable to humidity and 50 degrees would be preferable to 70 degrees, but in reality 70 and humid is nothing. I live in dc and from April to October it's 80-90+ with 95-100 percent humidity every single day. Not the best running weather and u sweat alot but people still can throw down good race times without weather as an excuse. Not taking anything away from Hasay I was very impressed. On the men's side is was just a bad race forget a little bit of humidity.
The key point you are missing though is that the other elite runners tended to run a bit slower than expected, much like how we might expect the weather to impact the race. When everyone else is slower than expected and Hasay is faster than expected then I think the weather adjustment is the obvious way to evaluate her run. -
Personally, I think the half-marathon should be a premier event, because pro runners can run more of them in a career with less damage than marathons. Also, men have the sub-1 hour mark, and women have the sub-1:10 mark to target, which the public can relate to the sub-4 mile and sub-4:10 mile.
It's a healthier distance than the marathon.
The only thing holding back the "Half" is its name.[/quote]
I completely agree. And well said, especially your last line. I so wish there had been as many halfs in my running days as there are now. And perhaps easier for non-runners to watch and more likely to be televised if we made them premier as you suggest. -
Dc chillin wrote:
Would just like the challenge notion of tough conditions. Obviously no humidity is preferable to humidity and 50 degrees would be preferable to 70 degrees, but in reality 70 and humid is nothing. I live in dc and from April to October it's 80-90+ with 95-100 percent humidity every single day. Not the best running weather and u sweat alot but people still can throw down good race times without weather as an excuse. Not taking anything away from Hasay I was very impressed. On the men's side is was just a bad race forget a little bit of humidity.
OK.
Would you please give us a list of all the men's and women's World Records set in the marathon and half-marathon when the temperature was over 70 degrees F?
Thanks a lot.
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Dc chillin wrote:
Would just like the challenge notion of tough conditions. Obviously no humidity is preferable to humidity and 50 degrees would be preferable to 70 degrees, but in reality 70 and humid is nothing. I live in dc and from April to October it's 80-90+ with 95-100 percent humidity every single day. Not the best running weather and u sweat alot but people still can throw down good race times without weather as an excuse. Not taking anything away from Hasay I was very impressed. On the men's side is was just a bad race forget a little bit of humidity.
Calling bull on this. First of all, when the temperature is lowest (in the morning) the humidity is highest generally. And when the temperature is highest (in the afternoon) the humidity is lower usually, unless you have rain. You say the humidity is 95 to 100% every day. But looking at June, the average humidity in the morning in DC is 80 while the average humidity in the afternoon is 52. You can't just throw out numbers willy nilly like that.
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Dc chillin wrote:
Would just like the challenge notion of tough conditions. Obviously no humidity is preferable to humidity and 50 degrees would be preferable to 70 degrees, but in reality 70 and humid is nothing. I live in dc and from April to October it's 80-90+ with 95-100 percent humidity every single day. Not the best running weather and u sweat alot but people still can throw down good race times without weather as an excuse. Not taking anything away from Hasay I was very impressed. On the men's side is was just a bad race forget a little bit of humidity.
While we wait for your list of world records set above 70F, here is an article about heat training:
http://azdailysun.com/lifestyles/columnists/high-country-running-bring-on-the-heat-altitude-not-the/article_582b0141-9dc5-5299-9ac2-fa2ac6c7c160.html
Wait a second.
That article is from a Flagstaff newspaper.
Some female Irish humans do not run very well in the heat at all:
https://www.facebook.com/hypo2/photos/a.181731141864880.32731.154386924599302/902644203106900/?type=3
It is just a coincidental synchronicity.
https://www.facebook.com/hypo2/photos/a.181731141864880.32731.154386924599302/1096897340348251/?type=3&theater -
Update:
http://www.letsrun.com/news/2016/06/shalane-flanagan-runs-huge-personal-best-10751-rock-n-roll-san-diego-half-marathon/
Jordan "PTG" Hasay is now running half-marathons like Shalane Flanagan (female Irish human) and Molly Huddle (female Irish human)!!!:
https://www.facebook.com/hypo2/photos/pcb.1117032751668043/1117031118334873/?type=3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/hypo2/photos/a.181731141864880.32731.154386924599302/1050316895006296/?type=3&theater
OK.
I should stop now...
Go Molly Huddle (Irish)!!!
Go Shalane Flanagan (Irish)!!!
Go Jordan "PTG" Hasay (Irish???=close enough for me)!!! -
As someone has already mentioned, this is not that big a deal running a good half. It's just a HALF marathon after all, which is always inferior to full marathon and standard track events (1500m,5k...etc). No one gives a shit about it.
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Apparently, many people give a $hit about the half-marathon, as evidenced by these boards.
Great race for Hasay - and hope she has a great run at Boston. -
Great run Hasay! What was the post-race workout like - 4x1 miles?
Seriously... Boston is still 3 months away - I wonder if she will do another tune-up race just to stay sharp? Or do you now just start grinding through the next 2 1/2 months of work before a little taper? -
great to see hasay do so well!
now i hope a comeback from mary cain
fingers crossed! -
rjm33 wrote:
After the recent NOP race debacles of Galen and Sir Mo … it turns out that Ms. Jordan Hasay has saved the NOP all by herself with this one race.
Don't forget about Centro's ' race debacles' too. We're using 'race debacles' as a code word for 'Olympic medals', right??? -
GoDucks!!!!!!!! wrote:
Apparently, many people give a $hit about the half-marathon, as evidenced by these boards.
Great race for Hasay - and hope she has a great run at Boston.
Or these boards seem to weigh in heavily on anything connected to the NOP....
Someone mentioned earlier that Des Linden would kill for a faster half marathon time and I think she's more than satisfied with 2 Olympic teams and a runner-up Boston finish but in comparing their PBs the USA T&F website had the following
Linden
5m 15:08
10m 31:37
Half 1:10:34
Marathon 2:22:38
Hasay
5m 15:37
10m 31:38
Half 1:08:40
Also the US all-time lists for the half (although not sure how accurate as they didn't have Flanagan's 67:52...)
Goucher 66:57
Kastor 67:34
Huddle 67:41
Flanagan 67:52
Kastor 67:53
Goucher 68:05
Samuelson 68:23
Goucher 68:30
Flanagan 68:31
Huddle 68:31
Samuelson 68:34
Flanagan 68:36
Although again with the half not getting the recognition it makes one wonder how many times an athlete is actually training specifically for that distance and that race as I'd guess hardly ever. Linden isn't even close but her marathon best beats Goucher by over 2 minutes (Goucher's = 2:24:52) -
As much as I like Desi, both Desi's 2:22 and Kara's 2:24 were not run on a certified course. Their real PRs should be 2:25.
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What? Isn't the half one of the most competitive and popular distances?
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Although again with the half not getting the recognition it makes one wonder how many times an athlete is actually training specifically for that distance and that race as I'd guess hardly ever. Linden isn't even close but her marathon best beats Goucher by over 2 minutes (Goucher's = 2:24:52)
Thanks for the analysis. I'm on board with sub 2:25 for Jordan "Pony Tail GODDESS" Hasay. -
If Molly could run a 2:28 in NYC (which is also a difficult course) off a 1:09 half marathon debut, I don't see why Hasay can't break 2:30 with ease.
Go Hasay, go! -
I'm pressing LIKE button for Jordan
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All this 'over ' and 'under' evaluation of her run, just some applause for her, then get on to your day.
Is the glass half full or half empty, she ran a full half.
