They ran 11:34.54 break the 11:34.85 that North Rockland ran last year. Murphy, who has a 4:07 1500, anchored in 4:38.
They ran 11:34.54 break the 11:34.85 that North Rockland ran last year. Murphy, who has a 4:07 1500, anchored in 4:38.
Kate Murphy is one of the biggest talents I've ever seen. More fluid on the track than Cain and Efraimson. That 9:14 could easily be an 8:55 by end of year and I think she could hold 9:14 over 5000m. Such a talent.
LetsRun.com wrote:
They ran 11:34.54 break the 11:34.85 that North Rockland ran last year. Murphy, who has a 4:07 1500, anchored in 4:38.
https://twitter.com/Bruin_Nation/status/820060911109083136
Is Murphy really the one on the far right, as the caption suggests? If so, she probably is the most out of shape looking female mid-d runner I've ever seen that can run that fast, and if she gets lean, probably could go sub 4:20.
She's the second one on the left.
Just wow... wrote:
LetsRun.com wrote:They ran 11:34.54 break the 11:34.85 that North Rockland ran last year. Murphy, who has a 4:07 1500, anchored in 4:38.
https://twitter.com/Bruin_Nation/status/820060911109083136Is Murphy really the one on the far right, as the caption suggests? If so, she probably is the most out of shape looking female mid-d runner I've ever seen that can run that fast, and if she gets lean, probably could go sub 4:20.
Murphy is on the left side wearing the neon yellow socks.
Haha no, pretty sure Murphy is 2nd from left. Girl on the right must be the 400 leg. That Twitter post wasn't meant to be a direct caption of the picture.
Is Murphy update? Where was she in the K?
https://mobile.twitter.com/milestatdotcom/status/820350550457942018
LetsRun.com wrote:
They ran 11:34.54 break the 11:34.85 that North Rockland ran last year. Murphy, who has a 4:07 1500, anchored in 4:38.
https://twitter.com/Bruin_Nation/status/820060911109083136
4:38, that's like a big time D1 college anchor, although a college with a 4:38 anchor usually runs much faster than 11:34. This means Braddock must have had a slow 1200 and/or 800 leg. I have mixed feelings about relays who are great only because of their anchor. It is wonderful to see lesser athletes get to experience glory, but it also denies special athletes the opportunity for individual glory like Kate having to pass on the 1k record attempt. It never seems like a big deal for young athletes at the time, but when your career is over, you always wonder where you would be on the all-time list for an individual event you missed out on. It is doubtful Kate will have another good opportunity to run a fast 1k.
God only knows what the late Kim Gallagher could have run in an open mile if she didn't have to run so many relays and having to triple at most meets. Kim generally got the baton way behind and caught everyone. I think Kim's high school, Upper Dublin, once held the nation's top time in the DMR, 4x8 and 4x4 all at the same time and Kim was the anchor on all of those relays. Kim accomplished just about everything you could accomplish as a high school runner, but she did express regret after her running career was over in not running a much faster mile in high school. Kim felt she could have run close to a 4:30 mile because she was beating the boys she trained with, who were a bunch of 4:30 types. With all of that said, Kim gave her teammates the opportunity to experience a lot big time of relay victories, which is good thing as well.
TrackCoach wrote:
LetsRun.com wrote:They ran 11:34.54 break the 11:34.85 that North Rockland ran last year. Murphy, who has a 4:07 1500, anchored in 4:38.
https://twitter.com/Bruin_Nation/status/8200609111090831364:38, that's like a big time D1 college anchor, although a college with a 4:38 anchor usually runs much faster than 11:34. This means Braddock must have had a slow 1200 and/or 800 leg. I have mixed feelings about relays who are great only because of their anchor. It is wonderful to see lesser athletes get to experience glory, but it also denies special athletes the opportunity for individual glory like Kate having to pass on the 1k record attempt. It never seems like a big deal for young athletes at the time, but when your career is over, you always wonder where you would be on the all-time list for an individual event you missed out on. It is doubtful Kate will have another good opportunity to run a fast 1k.
God only knows what the late Kim Gallagher could have run in an open mile if she didn't have to run so many relays and having to triple at most meets. Kim generally got the baton way behind and caught everyone. I think Kim's high school, Upper Dublin, once held the nation's top time in the DMR, 4x8 and 4x4 all at the same time and Kim was the anchor on all of those relays. Kim accomplished just about everything you could accomplish as a high school runner, but she did express regret after her running career was over in not running a much faster mile in high school. Kim felt she could have run close to a 4:30 mile because she was beating the boys she trained with, who were a bunch of 4:30 types. With all of that said, Kim gave her teammates the opportunity to experience a lot big time of relay victories, which is good thing as well.
Pretty sure 2 of her teammates ran the 1000 so I imagine she could have as well if she wanted to. Also...didn't she run in te Truals last year? She's had more than a couple shots at individual glory and I'm sure there will be many more. I would bet she's thrilled with the decision to run the relay. It's not like she ran a killer anchor only to wind up in 5th or something, they broke the national record.
TrackCoach wrote:
4:38, that's like a big time D1 college anchor, although a college with a 4:38 anchor usually runs much faster than 11:34. This means Braddock must have had a slow 1200 and/or 800 leg. I have mixed feelings about relays who are great only because of their anchor. It is wonderful to see lesser athletes get to experience glory, but it also denies special athletes the opportunity for individual glory like Kate having to pass on the 1k record attempt. It never seems like a big deal for young athletes at the time, but when your career is over, you always wonder where you would be on the all-time list for an individual event you missed out on. It is doubtful Kate will have another good opportunity to run a fast 1k.
Even with a 4:38 anchor, 11:34 means you have a team running somewhere around the realm of 3:35/2:20/60 for the other legs. Given that 12 minutes flat puts a HS girls DMR towards the top of the nation any given year, this team would have been stellar even with a 5:00 anchor. For high school standards, neither the 800 nor the 1200 leg was slow--in fact they were probably both pretty darn good.
dancinforever wrote:
TrackCoach wrote:4:38, that's like a big time D1 college anchor, although a college with a 4:38 anchor usually runs much faster than 11:34. This means Braddock must have had a slow 1200 and/or 800 leg. I have mixed feelings about relays who are great only because of their anchor. It is wonderful to see lesser athletes get to experience glory, but it also denies special athletes the opportunity for individual glory like Kate having to pass on the 1k record attempt. It never seems like a big deal for young athletes at the time, but when your career is over, you always wonder where you would be on the all-time list for an individual event you missed out on. It is doubtful Kate will have another good opportunity to run a fast 1k.
Even with a 4:38 anchor, 11:34 means you have a team running somewhere around the realm of 3:35/2:20/60 for the other legs. Given that 12 minutes flat puts a HS girls DMR towards the top of the nation any given year, this team would have been stellar even with a 5:00 anchor. For high school standards, neither the 800 nor the 1200 leg was slow--in fact they were probably both pretty darn good.
I guess your analysis is correct, the other legs are decent, but even a 5 minute miler makes them significantly better, albeit, not "stellar" as you indicated. A 4:38 miler is an incredible outlier compared to the other legs and makes a decent-to-good relay great. That's the nature of the DMR, a super anchor can make even a decent relay great. A couple ways to judge the overall talent on a DMR is can that relay run a fast 4xmile or 4x8 which equally depends on the other legs and/or can the other relay team members place in individual events.
With that said, Lake Braddock just set the DMR HSR, which is an incredible achievement and no matter how good Kate is, the other girls have to give her enough to work with. The point I was making using Kim Gallagher as an example. A one point, Kim was on the high school top-10 list for every event from the 800 to the 5K and several relays, but she only had one opportunity to run really fast and that was when she set the record in the 800. You have to balance the opportunities for individual success versus relay success. Obviously, Kate will get her opportunity to run fast in her signature event, but like Kim, that probably will only be one event and won't happen until the summer.
TrackCoach wrote:
dancinforever wrote:Even with a 4:38 anchor, 11:34 means you have a team running somewhere around the realm of 3:35/2:20/60 for the other legs. Given that 12 minutes flat puts a HS girls DMR towards the top of the nation any given year, this team would have been stellar even with a 5:00 anchor. For high school standards, neither the 800 nor the 1200 leg was slow--in fact they were probably both pretty darn good.
I guess your analysis is correct, the other legs are decent, but even a 5 minute miler makes them significantly better, albeit, not "stellar" as you indicated. A 4:38 miler is an incredible outlier compared to the other legs and makes a decent-to-good relay great. That's the nature of the DMR, a super anchor can make even a decent relay great. A couple ways to judge the overall talent on a DMR is can that relay run a fast 4xmile or 4x8 which equally depends on the other legs and/or can the other relay team members place in individual events.
With that said, Lake Braddock just set the DMR HSR, which is an incredible achievement and no matter how good Kate is, the other girls have to give her enough to work with. The point I was making using Kim Gallagher as an example. A one point, Kim was on the high school top-10 list for every event from the 800 to the 5K and several relays, but she only had one opportunity to run really fast and that was when she set the record in the 800. You have to balance the opportunities for individual success versus relay success. Obviously, Kate will get her opportunity to run fast in her signature event, but like Kim, that probably will only be one event and won't happen until the summer.
Correction, looks like they lead off with a 3:40 and the 800 leg ran about 2:15, those are certainly better than decent performances. Those are pretty good marks, especially early season with no competition.
I know this is LetsRun, enemy of the politically correct, but these are high school girls whose bodies you are commenting on so casually. I understand the point you were making, but maybe that was an opinion you could've kept to yourself.
Here is the race here:
Wow, sliced it real thin!
Chin up and Pull up champ wrote:
Here is the race here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sRe3Hqe8UA
Been watching this young lady for several years. Believe she is the future of American distance running. The real deal. Has a focus uncommon for a teenager and a fiercely competitive nature. She can make it to the big time, but only if it stays fun. Think at the highschool level, relays make it fun, and at the college level too. Those are shared memories that won't fade - in all their minds. That being said, do hope she's given opportunities to shine in solo events like her 1500m speciality, but also 1k, 3k, mile, 2 mile and even 5ks on the track - she has amazing range. Think the DMR time can be improved upon as all of them were not at 100% according to news article. Hoping to see another attempt to better their record - indoor and outdoor - would be nice to have a larger margin of victory and some competition to push them. Think she could have placed higher in Olympic Trials, but that will come with her growing confidence in her abilities against elites. Seems to be coming along at the right pace. Fun is important at 16, 17, 18 years and keeps pressure from becoming burdensome.