This article by Spikes is pretty amazing. It reveals that there is A TON of thought going into the Japanese's 4 x 100 success. The Japanese are a rare team that does an underhand pass.
Do you think the US sprinters even know what a underhand (or up-sweep) baton exchange is?
https://spikes.iaaf.org/post/japans-secret-to-relay-success
Dennis Mitchell and all sprint coaches you must read this - Japan gives out its secrets for the 4 x 100
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LetsRun.com wrote:
This article by Spikes is pretty amazing. It reveals that there is A TON of thought going into the Japanese's 4 x 100 success. The Japanese are a rare team that does an underhand pass.
Do you think the US sprinters even know what a underhand (or up-sweep) baton exchange is?
https://spikes.iaaf.org/post/japans-secret-to-relay-success
US Team doesn't seem to know any exchange at all -
Different relay hand off techniques is pretty common knowledge among the high school ranks so I don't know why the pros wouldn't know about it.
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6th paragraph........."taking home a gong"......Am i not getting a joke or is that racist af?
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I believed the French teams that were excellent years ago used that technique
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American technique is to throw it in the air and grab your head with both hands while grimacing.
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Didn't Dennis Mitchell coach the women's team to that shocking world record that stands right now which knocked off the East German record from the 1980s?
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Star wrote:
Didn't Dennis Mitchell coach the women's team to that shocking world record that stands right now which knocked off the East German record from the 1980s?
Neither is the world record in my opinion. East Germany and Mitchell are convicted dopers and Jeter is HIGHLY suspect -
None of you morans read the article. Shocking
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Take those bananas wrote:
None of you morans read the article. Shocking
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Butler Fan wrote:
Take those bananas wrote:
None of you morans read the article. Shocking
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New here, huh?
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Take those bananas wrote:
Butler Fan wrote:
Take those bananas wrote:
None of you morans read the article. Shocking
This...
New here, huh?
Moran
Every time somebody says "you must be new here" when somebody writes "moran," "deer Adam goucher," "ever heard of ___," etc, I get pissed.
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LetsRun.com wrote:
This article by Spikes is pretty amazing. It reveals that there is A TON of thought going into the Japanese's 4 x 100 success. The Japanese are a rare team that does an underhand pass.
Do you think the US sprinters even know what a underhand (or up-sweep) baton exchange is?
https://spikes.iaaf.org/post/japans-secret-to-relay-success
the japanese could very well be the fastest clean team on earth.
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Scufff wrote:
American technique is to throw it in the air and grab your head with both hands while grimacing.
+1
Talk to every college coach or athlete about the prospect of hand-offs/ exchanges, and they burst out in laughter. It was hard enough to convince my teammates in college to spend 5 minutes working on 4x800 exchanges, let alone REAL exchanges.
I think most US coaches don't have a clue about T&F, but pretend to know some jargon that allows them to keep their phony-baloney jobs.
Most NCAA/ Penn/ Drake Relay winning programs have an assistant coach that brought the team success, but after 2.5 years of working for pennies, they're managing a warehouse in Long Beach, and coaching the local high school hurdlers. -
Star wrote:
Didn't Dennis Mitchell coach the women's team to that shocking world record that stands right now which knocked off the East German record from the 1980s?
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The underhand sweeping pass is not ideal for absolute relay speed. Yes the pass seems to be safer but you also must pass the baton right on top of the outgoing athlete. Safer? Yes. Slower? Yes. The problem as mentioned earlier is limited to zero practice. Trying to get a group of diva sprinters to agree on order, number of steps, acceleration stance, and who is on the relay is an absolute nightmare. I have always suggested that the American relay should be made up of the athletes who finish 4th--7th in the USA trials. However, if a "relay" coach wanted to include on of the top three athletes it would be my suggestion that they lead off the race. My reasoning for this is simple. Reduce responsibilities. The athlete just accelerates out and hands off the baton. Instead of being on the second or third leg where they have to do three things. Accelerate when a teammate reaches a target, the must recieve the baton, and then hand it off. Additionally, the anchor leg without practice is more pressure then most can bare as they stand next to 7 to 8 other athletes barreling down on you. Yes all anchor legs have to deal with the stress of everything riding on their shoulders. However, if you have an anchor leg who is used to being in that situation with lots of competitions they are naturally more prepared even if slightly slower. As for the question of "what type of pass a group of sprinters should use?" It should be the push pass which involves handing the baton off like a bottle straight out away from the athlete's body and into their teammate's hand. The advantage is if you miss your posture is still in a great place to gather and try the pass again. Also, a baton passed in this matter allows for the baton with athletes a safe distance from one another eliminating a meter of distance for each of the three handsoffs thus improving the overall time when done correctly.
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Please excuse the grammar. It was late when I wrote my response on the thread.
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outlaw wrote:
Scufff wrote:
American technique is to throw it in the air and grab your head with both hands while grimacing.
+1
Talk to every college coach or athlete about the prospect of hand-offs/ exchanges, and they burst out in laughter. It was hard enough to convince my teammates in college to spend 5 minutes working on 4x800 exchanges, let alone REAL exchanges.
I think most US coaches don't have a clue about T&F, but pretend to know some jargon that allows them to keep their phony-baloney jobs.
Most NCAA/ Penn/ Drake Relay winning programs have an assistant coach that brought the team success, but after 2.5 years of working for pennies, they're managing a warehouse in Long Beach, and coaching the local high school hurdlers.
thats because most college coaches dont know how to coach. Most college coaches think they know what they are doing but dont cause they were moved through grad assistant jobs and handed a coaching job without experiencing JH and HS coaching. Every college coach should be made to go down to their local JH and learn to coach 7th grade track before being allowed to coach college. -
Disciprin breeds results
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Ryry wrote:
I have always suggested that the American relay should be made up of the athletes who finish 4th--7th in the USA trials.
Can't be done (by the U.S.) under current IAAF rules. You can enter six people in the 4x100 relay pool (and 4x400, for that matter). Four of those six MUST be the individual entrants you have in the 100. That leaves two spots. Given the 4-5-6 finishers at the "trials" could be used in your scenario, #7 is left out in the cold.
Since the place finishers aren't known until late June or early July, it does little good to have relay practices before that point as you don't know who your personnel will be.
