Laura Muir 5000m in 14:49.12!! INDOORS

Sleepy wrote:

Peaking too early...?

More likely, doping hard when she can.

See: Dibaba's indoor campaign.

See: Muir, 3:55 in 1500m Paris

See: Muir, non-factor in championships

She made a huge tactical error by going with the top 2, as she doesn't have the speed to go that fast that early and hold on to it. Instead of being a lock for a medal, she died to a lesser placing.

She is obviously a strength runner (and this 5000m race underscores that fact) who is developing front-runner type attributes.

She will (as she is still very young) need to develop her speed a bit more for tactical races as her 3.55 race shows that she can go long and steady, and others will neutralize that tactic (like Ayana in the 5000 or Dibaba in other races and the OG 1500) if she gets too ambitious.

come on bro wrote:

Sleepy wrote:

Peaking too early...?

More likely, doping hard when she can.

See: Dibaba's indoor campaign.

See: Muir, 3:55 in 1500m Paris

See: Muir, non-factor in championships

Muir just got her tactics wrong in Rio. Went for gold and got nothing when she could have gone for a lesser medal and taken it home.

What a load of nonsense.

She's just a very talented lass and extremely hard-working.

A lot more women could run 3:54/55 if they had the guts like Laura to blitz the 3rd lap. Instead they're happy to trundle round in 64/65 seconds saving themselves for a last lap kick.

Go Laura! wrote:

What a load of nonsense.

She's just a very talented lass and extremely hard-working.

A lot more women could run 3:54/55 if they had the guts like Laura to blitz the 3rd lap. Instead they're happy to trundle round in 64/65 seconds saving themselves for a last lap kick.

whats nonsense?

look at how she shattered the record of somebody who is also shady

lol you don't run 14:49 indoors less than a week into frickin January clean

how long have you been following this sport anyway?? lol

What time should someone run?

Awesome. That's within :20 of my PR indoors, meaning she is fit and rolling and only getting started. She could run sub-14:20 outdoors!!

yea riight wrote:

total doper. I knew it as soon as she popped that 3:55 in paris, but suspected it for a while. when the screws are tightened in big championships she disappears, can't risk the regimen with the doping controls. classical drug user profile IMO sorry just being honest

"I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles."

-Lance Armstrong

khow wrote:

Awesome. That's within :20 of my PR indoors, meaning she is fit and rolling and only getting started. She could run sub-14:20 outdoors!!

Why would she improve by over 30 seconds by outdoors?

sent received wrote:

I think most people would agree that her performances are suspect

No one but you and your two alternate usernames agree so far

Since when does 14:49 indoors equate to 14:15 outdoors? It's equivalent to low 14:30s at best.

She's only 23 and had a late start in athletics. Of course she's going to progress quickly. The best in the world usually do progress in broad steps. If they didn't they wouldn't be the best in the world.

Here's her progression:

2013 - 4:07.8

2014 - 4:00.1

2015 - 3:58.7

2016 - 3:55.2

It's not a crazy progression.

because I did!! Ha.

i agree. not a crazy progression and probably 14:30's equivalent outdoors.some people are rhythm runners and they run better indoors, especially early when there is no pressure. she's very short too, so indoor turns are no big deal for heralso, there's no wind indoors, the temperature is good, and it's easy to just slip into a pace and keep it.there's something about indoor racing....

Go Laura! wrote:

Since when does 14:49 indoors equate to 14:15 outdoors? It's equivalent to low 14:30s at best.

She's only 23 and had a late start in athletics. Of course she's going to progress quickly. The best in the world usually do progress in broad steps. If they didn't they wouldn't be the best in the world.

Here's her progression:

2013 - 4:07.8

2014 - 4:00.1

2015 - 3:58.7

2016 - 3:55.2

It's not a crazy progression.

She just ran 14:49!!!

Editor's update: Here is an article on the run. http://athleticsw.com/iu3zmn

Go Laura! wrote:

What a load of nonsense.

She's just a very talented lass and extremely hard-working.

A lot more women could run 3:54/55 if they had the guts like Laura to blitz the 3rd lap. Instead they're happy to trundle round in 64/65 seconds saving themselves for a last lap kick.

Yes, she is fearless; she is not afraid to push the pace. I love that.

sent received wrote:

she's doped. you racists would be ripping her if she was brown, black or tan.

Why don't you see that 3:55 shouldn't be anything special or particularly unusual? If Kipyegon, Rowbury, Simpson, Hassan & Seyaum decided to run a 61 third lap off a 4:00 pace at 800 they could probably hold on to run 3:54/55 as well.

And 14:49 indoors, whilst very, very good, isn't particularly special either. It's 31 seconds away from the 14:18 WR! And don't give me the "but she's a 1500 runner" spiel. All the best 1500 runners should have enough endurance to run a very, very good 5000 and that's all she did a few hours ago - a very, very good 5000. Rowbury did the same last year, running 14:38.

you guys are missing the full picture. her inability to perform when doping controls are strict, her ridiculous endurance (most don't attempt a 3rd lap that fast because they CAN'T then hold on), the historical power of her times (how many have run 14:48 in their 2nd attempt ever all by themselves?? how many 1500ms before she hit 3:55??), her penchant for running fast in meaningless races... Again, you all want to cheer on a white girl, it's that simple. if she were russian, kenyan, ethiopian, algerian, moroccan or anywhere else for that matter, yall would be cracking jokes about her being an "epopian" and "another doped african" you know it, I know it, we all know it

yea riight wrote:

total doper. I knew it as soon as she popped that 3:55 in paris, but suspected it for a while. when the screws are tightened in big championships she disappears, can't risk the regimen with the doping controls. classical drug user profile IMO sorry just being honest

Is that the Asafa Powell standard?

indoor races are fast wrote:

i agree. not a crazy progression and probably 14:30's equivalent outdoors.

some people are rhythm runners and they run better indoors, especially early when there is no pressure. she's very short too, so indoor turns are no big deal for her

also, there's no wind indoors, the temperature is good, and it's easy to just slip into a pace and keep it.

there's something about indoor racing....

Go Laura! wrote:

Since when does 14:49 indoors equate to 14:15 outdoors? It's equivalent to low 14:30s at best.

She's only 23 and had a late start in athletics. Of course she's going to progress quickly. The best in the world usually do progress in broad steps. If they didn't they wouldn't be the best in the world.

Here's her progression:

2013 - 4:07.8

2014 - 4:00.1

2015 - 3:58.7

2016 - 3:55.2

It's not a crazy progression.

The funny thing is NZ with a population of 1/15 the size of Britain, its women's indoor and outdoor 5000 record was set indoors by Kim Smith, 14:39.89.