Coe to face new questions in British parliament

Mr. Obvious wrote:

rojo wrote:

I don't think so.

My brother Weldon sent me the following email which should answer your questions pretty well.

Right after Bedford spoke, all of the snap recaps were acting like he said Coe lied. Now everything is being changed to be more nuanced. Weldon's email explains why.

Yeah, I actually agree with that analysis. Politicians are usually very nuanced in how they say things.

My question was more theoretical. I don't think a case would hold up.

In the US if you lie to congress they can charge you with perjury. I just wanted to know if that was possible for lying to Parliament.

Theoretically yes, Coe could be imprisoned for perjury. Unlikely in practice though. You can find out more here:

Thanks.

When did he do this? His position as head of LOCOG and President of the IAAF resulted in Adidas becoming official sponsors at the London Olympics and ASICS becoming the new sponsors of the IAAF. Where is this biased lobbying on Nike's behalf?

As Bedford's quotes today suggest, even had he known about corruption, he could do little about it. Whistle blowing against Diack would practically end any possibility of Coe gaining enough support to become the new President. Perhaps he could forsee the inevitable rise of Bubka, a Russian sympathiser, which would have led to more of the same at the top.

It is highly likely Coe had to play the long game, however unsavoury, in order to do something about the state of the sport.

In what way did he interfere with the investigation of Radcliffe?

He voiced an opinion that he thought her innocent, probably based on a long time association. Where is the evidence he stepped in to cover up any impropriety on her part?

What!?

That is exactly what he has said he is going to do, and has so far gone a long way in doing: transparency as to which nations voted against proposed reforms; limiting the length of tenure for top positions within the IAAF; creation of an independent body to test athletes to the same level of scrutiny whatever their nationality.

Coe called for life bans for athletes caught doping as far back as 1981.

As a member of the BOC, he called for UK athletes caught doping to be banned from competing for their country at subsequent Olympics. This was passed, only to be over ruled by the High Court for contravening the athlete's human rights to make a living.

As a member of the IAAF he lobbied for the 2 year ban to be extended to 4 years. Again, this was hampered and prevented from becoming reality due to the European Laws on human rights.

Have you any idea what would have happened in the past had the IAAF tried to enforce 4 year bans on all athletes caught doping?

The IAAF's lawyers would have been forever in Court losing cases, resulting in the sport going bankrupt.

The failure to be tougher on doping violations has not been through want of trying on Coe's part. He has just been unable to carry out what he would like due to European law. There is nothing he can do about that.

Just keep drinking the cool aid pal.

As VP. To get the championship to Eugene. He lied about it at first, but then the evidence came out that he, I cite, "reached out" to his spiritual leader on behalf of Nike. Then he pulled a Clinton and said that reaching out does not equal lobbying.

Funny. For about two years now, the Coe defenders acted as if it was normal to not see anything as VP (and as Chair of the FIFA Ethics committee). Now that that is proven to be wrong too, you fanbois claim it is obvious that one can't stand up against corruption for that might damage one's political career. Actually I call such a behavior (tolerating corruption for political gain) corrupt.

He openly, as IAAF President, declared her to be innocent. Read that document again, it's full of bull like "Paula claimed that... therefore..." as if she by definition speaks the truth. And yes, that includes her also disproven claim about the 30 C race...

First of all, preventing secret votes is extremely undemocratic and deplorable, and secondly, Coe argued against transparency of the test results, even when the athletes themselves were in favor of it.

I explicitly mention "criminalization", not bans. This is quite advantageous in finding the truth, as for example the Aden/Spain incident showed. But Coe is against that...

The opposite is true: an increasing number of European countries is changing their laws to treat doping as a criminal act - against Coe's plans.

rekrunner wrote:

Of course he can open and read his emails.

I'm suggesting opening and reading this e-mail is not "more" than forwarding it to the IAAF Ethics Commission already investigating the subject of the email. It's a qualitative suggestion, not quantitative.

Apparently he had read enough to decide to forward it to the appropriate organization in the IAAF.

casual obsever wrote:

Are you seriously suggesting that it would have been inappropriate for him to read the email directly addressed to him?

I consider it inappropriate to forward emails without reading them.

But if he didn't know anything, how would he know to forward it to the Ethics Committee? Unless he forwards all his emails to the Ethics Committee (which obviously doesn't happen) Coe knew what was going on even without reading the email!

So Coe is the messiah and without him the sport could have been lost!?! Pure bull sh!t! The independent commission reports and McLaren Reports would have put enough pressure on whoever was president to act. And evidently IAAF goverernence already knew of the existence of this scandal and did nothing until they had to, pressure came from the media and public, the sport wouldn't fail just the IAAF goverernence.

It looks like the pro-Lord Coe people are backed into a corner... with nowhere to go.

Their defense of Lord Coe has changed to a new argument:

The ends justify the means.

I remember when this story first started and Lord Coe called it an "attack on the sport".

I remember when the Seppelt video first came out and when he was asked about whether he had seen it... Lord Coe said that he HAD NOT SEEN IT.

I remember when Lord Coe called Michael Alshenden "a so-called expert…Give me a break."

Lord Sebastian Coe DID NOT KNOW ANYTHING about ethics problems and bribes when he was at the FIFA ethics commission.

Lord Sebastian Coe DID NOT KNOW ANYTHING about ethics problems and bribes when he was Vice President under Lamine Diack at the IAAF.

Then Lord Sebastian Coe became president of the IAAF.

Then Lord Sebastian Coe promoted Nick Davies to be deputy general secretary of the IAAF and run Lord Coe's Monaco office.

Then Nick Davies had to step down from his position because of possible ethics violations and a mention in his email to Papa Massata Diack that they could use the Lausanne lab of Dr. Martial Saugy as a "Plan B" (where 67 Russian samples were later destroyed) if there were any problems at the Moscow lab (which was run by Grigory Rodchenkov)…and that Gabriel Dolle (the IAAF head of anti-doping) had confirmed this to Nick Davies…and then $93,000 cash was found at Gabriel Dolle's house…etc…etc...

Lord Sebastian Coe also DID NOT KNOW ANYTHING about any of this bad stuff.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/dec/21/sebastian-coe-aide-leaked-emails-russia-doping-scandal

http://www.si.com/more-sports/2015/11/12/iaaf-corruption-police-find-bribe-money-gabriel-dolle-home

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/01/28/07F87759000005DC-2929621-image-a-34_1422441123106.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/06/16/13/2E1ACDE400000578-3644736-image-a-14_1466081056075.jpg

Update:

Lord Sebastian Coe DOES NOT EVEN KNOW ANYTHING about how much mileage he ran a long time ago.

You can't believe what was written in his book…because he did not write the book…or even read the book.

Lord Sebastian Coe forwarded the email…or book... to the IAAF ethics commission without ever reading the email…or book.

Lord Coe will not answer any more questions.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/athletics/athletics-corruption-scandal-how-could-sebastian-coe-claim-knew-nothing-iaaf-extortion-racket-a7519476.html

In conclusion:

LORD COE DOES NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ANYTHING.

This is fun.

Ha ha ha

Jive Turqy wrote:

Lord Coe has explained the situation very clearly. He received an email from Dave Bedford, apparently alerting Coe to the existence of corruption in Russian Athletics. Rather than read the email, Lord Coe forwarded it to the IAAF Ethics committee without opening it. As has been explained by his spokesperson, the worst they can accuse him of is being incurious. He's not guilty of misleading the committee about his knowledge of the corruption because, as he claims, he doesn't read the information people provide him on the subject.

Clearly it's time to move on--nothing to see here.

Rekrunner vs Casual Observer who you got?

I'm taking odds.

rjm33 wrote:

In conclusion:

LORD COE DOES NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ANYTHING.

This is fun.

Ha ha ha

He knows that Radcliffe is innocent though ...

internet wrote:

rjm33 wrote:

In conclusion:

LORD COE DOES NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ANYTHING.

This is fun.

Ha ha ha

He knows that Radcliffe is innocent though ...

Paula Radcliffe used Dr. Martial "Plan B" Saugy as her blood test expert.

It is just a coincidence.

Coe received a e-mail from Dave Bedford, a person he was "friendly with rather than a friend" according to Bedford about doping and corruption in Russia. (Bedford told him in advance what the e-mail was about and summarised it's contents in a phone call to Coe before sending the e-mail.)

And Coe doesn't even open the attachment? Doesn't want to know the details of the case Bedford has notified him about? Sorry, but why not? Yes, certainly forward it to the relevant body of the IAAF but as a Vice President of that organisation Coe's lack of interest in the contents of Bedford's message is staggering!

It's a case of could have known, should have known but, for whatever reason, chose not to know the details of doping and corruption at the highest levels of his sport. Puzzling, to say the least!

casual obsever wrote:

Deanouk wrote:

When did he do this?

As VP. To get the championship to Eugene. He lied about it at first, but then the evidence came out that he, I cite, "reached out" to his spiritual leader on behalf of Nike.

You should ask Vin Lananna how Nike got him to do that. Might resemble Phil's big donation to the governor of Oregon.

mark b wrote:

It's a case of could have known, should have known but, for whatever reason, chose not to know the details of doping and corruption at the highest levels of his sport. Puzzling, to say the least!

Yes. Plus the text messages. And phone call. And now he refuses to testify.

But now he is really really interested in a clean sport, and wants to fight corruption. Starting tomorrow, right after he put all his buddies into various IAAF leadership positions.

Oh well. Nothing to see here.

Sick of this yet? wrote:

I nominate Jama Aden to head the IAAF Ethics Committe.

+1

And Hightower as chair of IAAF Conflict Resolution Advisory Group.

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

Rekrunner vs Casual Observer who you got?

I'm taking odds.

We have to wait and see whether rekrunner will go along with changing the argument from "Coe could not have known anything" to "Coe only acted corrupt to keep the support of the corrupt people to be able to fight corruption".

casual obsever wrote:

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

Rekrunner vs Casual Observer who you got?

I'm taking odds.

We have to wait and see whether rekrunner will go along with changing the argument from "Coe could not have known anything" to "Coe only acted corrupt to keep the support of the corrupt people to be able to fight corruption".

Incompetent or lying. The other "options" are rapidly disappearing.

Well, at the very least Coe has lost some credibility for refusing to testify. Lots of media being very critical of him and casting doubt on the veracity of his former testimony.

Mr. Obvious wrote:

Of course he knew nothing of corruption at the IAAF:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-4085600/Lord-Coe-facing-new-probe-email-MPs-prepare-grill-Dave-Bedford.html

Christ, I'm starting to wonder why he even wanted this job. Here's a good man getting raked through the mud and what does he get in return? Grey hairs.