Ford Motors cancels plan for $1.3 billion plant in Mexico. Will instead invest $700 million in Michigan plant

Trump wants to lower taxes across the board and create jobs IN America. Hillary wanted to raise taxes and implement more regulations to stifle job creation.

No big deal for Mid-West folks wrote:

Japanese car factories use 1/3 the human labor as non-Japanese factories. Ford will take this opportunity to close the gap. It means the Silicon Valley and Southern California automation and robotics industries will benefit the most.

What are you talking about? GM produced marginally lower than Toyota in 2015 but has 150k less employees.

Toyota - 346k employees, 10.23M units produced, 30 units/employee avg

GM - 209k employees, 9.92M units produced, 47 units/employee avg

Ford - 199k employees, 6.32M units produced, 32 units/employee avg

VW - 610k employees, 10.14M units produced, 17 units/employee avg

Sources:

Google the employee count for each organization if you'd like to verify.

Trickle up poverty wrote:

R u confused wrote:

Exactly. I have been asking republicans/Trump supporters about their opinions on the soon the be president claiming to strong-arm businesses into doing what he wants, by threatening them with heavy taxes. Nobody has an answer.

I think gov regulation of business is a good thing, but I'm just confused why Trumpians think so too.

Trump wants to lower taxes across the board and create jobs IN America. Hillary wanted to raise taxes and implement more regulations to stifle job creation.

Don't speak for Trump. He posted on Twitter quite clearly that he wants to put heavy tariffs on companies that try to open factories outside the US. That is government interference with the market. Don't beat about the bush. Just agree that what I'm saying is correct.

I just want some republicans to agree that this is regulation. I don't care about the actual policy. I am just amazed that Trump voters are trying to tell liberals that this is not regulation and is pro capitalism

Losssss wrote:

The debate going on is wildly entertaining. Republicans have become the party of the little guy who can't compete in capitalism without gov't intervention. Democrats are now completely bifurcated into those on welfare and elite high earners. This remarkable shift happened because 1.) Trump and 2.) people identify so strongly with their party that they don't even pay attention to issues.

If Democrats are against government intervention (Carrier), they should support tax cuts on the rich. And the opposite applies to republicans. Democrats are only trying to oppose trump, and republicans are only trying to support him. What happened to intellectually honest assessment of issues?

I've felt like this for awhile now. People support their party or candidate just as they would their favorite baseball team. This issues don't matter, just looking to win. Sadly, people will continue to claim to have the moral high ground because the Cubs beat the Indians...

Trickle up poverty wrote:

R u confused wrote:

Exactly. I have been asking republicans/Trump supporters about their opinions on the soon the be president claiming to strong-arm businesses into doing what he wants, by threatening them with heavy taxes. Nobody has an answer.

I think gov regulation of business is a good thing, but I'm just confused why Trumpians think so too.

Trump wants to lower taxes across the board and create jobs IN America. Hillary wanted to raise taxes and implement more regulations to stifle job creation.

If you've read trumps plan, the top 1% will be by far the biggest beneficiary, even with generous growth assumptions. That's because he's proposing to cut the top bracket from 39% to 33%. Both democrat and republican congressional studies have confirmed this. a medium income earner will get a 0.5% cut, compared to 6% for those in the top bracket.

R u confused wrote:

What happened to fiscal CONSERVATISM?

It is not represented at the national level.

Democrats want to tax and spend like mad.

Republicans want to cut taxes and spend like mad.

No fiscal conservatives anywhere.

R u confused wrote:

From trump's own mouth:

General Motors is sending Mexican made model of Chevy Cruze to U.S. car dealers-tax free across border. Make in U.S.A.or pay big border tax!

Which is the opposite of conservatism. It is a socialist style control of business. Trump has repackaged socialist ideas and you all seem to think they are now republican ideals?

Repackaging (stealing) is all the rage.

Obama stole Romneycare and pretended it was a Democrat idea.

MeHereYouWhere?! wrote:

One tweet from Trump is now enough to cause companies to cave. Ford doesn't want that 35% tariff on all their vehicles. All because Trump tweeted about GM and the Chevy Cruze being made in Mexico.

Ford was careful to point out that they HAD MADE NO KIND OF DEAL with Trump, unlike the deal Carrier announced that required a $16 Million CONCESSION in State taxes, and will result in more automation that makes more Americans lose their jobs.

Also, those who have decided to read more than two sentences on Letsrun.com or DID MORE THAN just watch some of the debates know that the tariffs Trump talked about are NOT POSSIBLE. He would have to repeal the North American Free Trade Agreement first.

What do you think Free Trade in North America means?

I am not pro-NAFTA, and am all for keeping jobs in America, but if you are a Republican you should understand that moving the jobs to where they COST THE LEAST is WHAT YOU and YOUR PARTY is ALL ABOUT.

You should also know (just from reading the article - although in the FOX version I am sure they left this out) that Trump did not figure in this decision at all.

fdfdsfsdfsdf wrote:

All of my Toyota's were made in America.

You mean Toyotas.

Exactly.

To add to this, no CEO or board of directors will risk their publicly traded company to the whims of a bully. They are banking on the corporate tax breaks and repatriation of offshore dollars.

Adam to work wrote:

R u confused wrote:

Exactly.

To add to this, no CEO or board of directors will risk their publicly traded company to the whims of a bully. They are banking on the corporate tax breaks and repatriation of offshore dollars.

Congress won't let Trump behave in this way once he takes office. Attempts to massively increase tarrifs to numbers just blurted out by the orange bafoon one morning before his coffee will just be ignored. Trump thinks he can bully companies into doing what he wants, that might work for some, but most will just lay off jobs and close if they can't afford it.

You can't force companies to open factories in the USA, enforce a minimum wage that is way higher than what they were paying before, make them keep the same number of workers and productivity, and then also sell the cars at the same prices.

Something has to give. They will just close down.

I've just realised that I am explaining the basis of republican style economics to a bunch of so called republicans.

Where are the guys saying that healthcare should be completely unregulated on the other thread? Surely they can see that gov interference in the automotive industry is the same thing? Or do they just support it cause Trump says?

I've noticed this recently too. Another annoyance of mine was during the primaries when people picked a candidate early on and gloated about them winning the nomination, like it was March Madness or something.

In May, someone asked me who I was voting for (in the general election) and they were shocked when I told them I wasn't going to decide until October at the earliest. Guess I didn't realize my vote counts extra if I make up my mind in advance.

R u confused wrote:

I've just realised that I am explaining the basis of republican style economics to a bunch of so called republicans.

Where are the guys saying that healthcare should be completely unregulated on the other thread? Surely they can see that gov interference in the automotive industry is the same thing? Or do they just support it cause Trump says?

Trump is re-defining the Republican party in his own mold. What the party used to represent is now a footnote to his ambitions.

Expect less interest in social issues (Trump is apparently OK with LBGT quality). He was pro-choice until he ran for office. Likely he doesn't care. Not sure about guns. So really, socially, he's far to the left of any of his predecessors.

And, he's more interventionist as you have indicated.

So really, unless the Congressional Republicans grow a backbone and stand up to him, he's going to re-create the Republican party in his own mold, with his own base, screw the old-school conservatives.

exthrower wrote:

Trump has already done more for middle class workers than Obama and he hasn't even taken office yet....Drain the swamp, baby....

Trump hasn't done anything but keep plugging away at that lie.

"Someone needs to explain to Trump how Toyota actually makes money"

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/someone-needs-explain-trump-toyota-221900918.html

Cool. So now we can get back to un-educated people making six figures on the assembly line and retiring from their union jobs at 80% pension after 20 years. I wonder why their cars cost so much....