Melissa Bishop got robbed - come on LRC, take a stand!

[quote]lkjy wrote:

Why don't you learn from the elites? She got out-kicked. She didn't even medal. She placed 4th. I guarantee if there were Russians ahead of her you would be calling them doped.

From Melissa Bishop's mouth herself, “Me missing the podium is because I didn’t run fast enough, not because of who was in the race."

Melissa Bishop learned from the other elites. She saw the abuse that was heaped on Sharpe and Jozwik for not being 100% on the Semenya bandwagon and made safe comments that wouldn't threaten her sponsorship situation. Nike is a big backer of the LGBTQ community.

My take is that Bishop was the 2nd fastest female in that race.

Dude, you come off like a psycho. If I were Boyd, I would be trying to figure out who I need to get a restraining order for.

;lakdj;alskd wrote:

Dude, you come off like a psycho. If I were Boyd, I would be trying to figure out who I need to get a restraining order for.

His identity was uncovered on the Semenya Trackie thread (since deleted). The two of them traded some personal attacks.

I have mixed feelings about his attacks on Steve Boyd. On one hand Boyd's politics and bullying tactics have really rubbed me (and many others over the years) the wrong way, and it's amusing to see him called out for it.

On the other hand, he's probably going a little too far.

The whole feud has a Mike Rossi/Ken Stillman feel to it.

Thanks for that link to the Letsrun article Bill Bur. I don't remember ever reading that before. So my question are:

Was the IAAF so inept that they were not able to point out the difference between complete AIS, and 5-ARD when they argued their case before CAS last year?

Are there political forces at work inside of CAS that made them ignore this distinction, even though they were made aware of the distinction?

What is the IAAF doing right now in their legal preparations to get the ridiculous CAS decision overturned?

What can we do to put pressure on USATF to in turn put pressure on the IAAF to motivate them to try to overturn this decision?

Who do you guys like more? Doped up Savinova or SeMANya?

Interesting about this AIS 5-ARD business, but it must be said that you are not the doctor of any of these people, nor are you likely a doctor at all.

So to diagnose some individuals based on their faces is quite extraordinarily insane.

Murder Dubs wrote:

Bishop's 12-pack abdomen is pretty clear evidence of PED use. Next.

Or maybe you're mad that she's got better abs than you bruh

I don't think Jozwik is suspicious. She's from Poland, not Russia. If you know anything about international politics you'd know that Poland and Russia don't have a close relationship.

Jelimo ran 1:54 flat. There is no reason why more women can't do this or better. There are girls that can run 47s relay splits for 400m. There are girls that can run 3:50 for 1500m.

Why not a 1:53 800m?

Relativity wrote:

Interesting about this AIS 5-ARD business, but it must be said that you are not the doctor of any of these people, nor are you likely a doctor at all.

So to diagnose some individuals based on their faces is quite extraordinarily insane.

Actually, I believe he is a medical doctor, if I'm recalling the Trackie discussion correctly.

Also, medical info about Semenya's situation was leaked years ago, hence why "she" was threatening to sue the IAAF for 500 million dollars, or some ridiculous sum for destroying "her" professional reputation.

aserdfssdfd wrote:

Relativity wrote:

Interesting about this AIS 5-ARD business, but it must be said that you are not the doctor of any of these people, nor are you likely a doctor at all.

So to diagnose some individuals based on their faces is quite extraordinarily insane.

Actually, I believe he is a medical doctor, if I'm recalling the Trackie discussion correctly.

Also, medical info about Semenya's situation was leaked years ago, hence why "she" was threatening to sue the IAAF for 500 million dollars, or some ridiculous sum for destroying "her" professional reputation.

Semenya, sure. There was info released about them.

But the rest of them? Nonsense to diagnose them with a specific, rare medical condition from a photograph alone.

Of course this person is not a doctor, no doctor would be as insane as this.

Relativity wrote:

aserdfssdfd wrote:

Actually, I believe he is a medical doctor, if I'm recalling the Trackie discussion correctly.

Also, medical info about Semenya's situation was leaked years ago, hence why "she" was threatening to sue the IAAF for 500 million dollars, or some ridiculous sum for destroying "her" professional reputation.

Semenya, sure. There was info released about them.

But the rest of them? Nonsense to diagnose them with a specific, rare medical condition from a photograph alone.

Of course this person is not a doctor, no doctor would be as insane as this.

I don't think that he was giving an official medical diagnosis, more like sharing his opinion on an anonymous forum.

There is more evidence than photographs, however. What about the fact that they were on the same testosterone-suppressing drugs as Semenya and, like Semenya, when they stopped taking them, their times improved by leaks and bounds. If they had high testosterone but AIS their times shouldn't have been impacted by any great extent.

Their marked improvement is really the smoking gun. I don't need a doctor to tell me that.

aserdfssdfd wrote:

...their times improved by leaks and bounds.

lol... don't know what I was thinking there...

Relativity wrote:

Jelimo ran 1:54 flat. There is no reason why more women can't do this or better. There are girls that can run 47s relay splits for 400m. There are girls that can run 3:50 for 1500m.

Why not a 1:53 800m?

There is currently one woman in the world who can run 47 high as a 400 split (~49 flat open?). I highly doubt any open time faster than 48.63 (#14 all time performance, Cathy Freeman of Australia) was run clean. Unless you think the eastern Europeans of the '80s weren't doping, in which case I have a nice bridge in London I'd happily sell you.

There is currently one woman in the world who can run 3:50 for 1500m, and if she's clean, then she's likely the only clean athlete ever to run under 3:55. (11 women have run under 3:55--seven Chinese athletes from the '90s, two Russians and a Romanian from the '80s, and Dibaba).

Neither of those marks are commonplace, so don't imply that they are.

aserdfssdfd wrote:

Relativity wrote:

Semenya, sure. There was info released about them.

But the rest of them? Nonsense to diagnose them with a specific, rare medical condition from a photograph alone.

Of course this person is not a doctor, no doctor would be as insane as this.

I don't think that he was giving an official medical diagnosis, more like sharing his opinion on an anonymous forum.

There is more evidence than photographs, however. What about the fact that they were on the same testosterone-suppressing drugs as Semenya and, like Semenya, when they stopped taking them, their times improved by leaks and bounds. If they had high testosterone but AIS their times shouldn't have been impacted by any great extent.

Their marked improvement is really the smoking gun. I don't need a doctor to tell me that.

The poster also speculated that Dutee Chand has AIS in order to create the basis on which their theorem is based.

They have simply decided that the feminine looking intersex athletes have AIS and are fair game, and the ugly ones have this 5-ARD.

There are many types of intersex condition, it is very difficult to correctly diagnose someone even with full access to their physical body.

Niyonsaba for example, is being thrown into this and there is no good evidence she is intersex at all, and has now been diagnosed by a Letsrun specialist as having specifically 5-ARD. Laughable.

There is a good reason that guy's post was deleted from the other website; speculation like this is actually useless conjecture.

The fact remains there are women who can meet those standards I put forward. There is less talent in the women's sport due to numbers, but those stand out talents have just not been found in the 800m.

There was a few women running 3:55 and closing 1500s with 2:00 last 800s. 3:55 is equivalent to 1:55 all day long. Or maybe Muir is intersex too now?

And for the 400m Felix could surely break 49, Miller ran 49.4 after rounds. Lots of clean women (in my opinion) have broken 49 fair and square.

Why should the women in the 800m recently become so afraid of 1:56? Like it is some freakish time? WR should be 1:53. Top elites should run 1:54/1:55.

Semenya should run 1:51.

Relativity wrote:

The poster also speculated that Dutee Chand has AIS in order to create the basis on which their theorem is based.

They have simply decided that the feminine looking intersex athletes have AIS and are fair game, and the ugly ones have this 5-ARD.

There are many types of intersex condition, it is very difficult to correctly diagnose someone even with full access to their physical body.

Niyonsaba for example, is being thrown into this and there is no good evidence she is intersex at all, and has now been diagnosed by a Letsrun specialist as having specifically 5-ARD. Laughable.

There is a good reason that guy's post was deleted from the other website; speculation like this is actually useless conjecture.

Fair points about Niyonsaba and Chand, although I would still say that the timing of Niyonsaba's amazing improvement in performance, which coincided with the CAS ruling is highly suspicious.

I don't know enough about Chand's situation to comment.

No, there aren't "women" plural who can meet those standards in this day and age. There is currently one woman in the world (Felix) who has split under 48. There is currently one woman in the world (Dibaba) who has run 3:50.

You really think lots of clean women have broken an open 49? There are 37 performances under 49.00 ever. 29 of these performances were by athletes in Soviet satellites in the 1980s. The remaining 8 performances are by 5 women.

3:55 may be equivalent to 1:55, but there aren't lots of women running 3:55 either. There are 23 performances under 3:56.00. 17 of these performances were by athletes from 1980s Soviet satellite countries or 1990s China. The other 6 performances are by Dibaba (2), Muir, Süreyya Ayhan-Kop (Turkey, 2), and Hassiba Boulmerka (Algeria).