Awesome development - Ethiopia is going to try to hand out lifetime bans to drug cheats

May as well just say they're giving the death penalty for doping.

It's not like it's going to be an issue until they actually bother to do any testing.

Phelps ban was legitimate whilst an extra ban is not .As has been correctly pointed out CAS will rule against it .

I am reminded that Bubka was party to narrowing the pegs that the vault bar is balanced on.

Anyway PR with no substance, yet again ,from Drug Control.

Phelps ban was legitimate whilst an extra ban is not .As has been correctly pointed out CAS will rule against it .

I am reminded that Bubka was party to narrowing the pegs that the vault bar is balanced on.

Anyway PR with no substance, yet again ,from Drug Control.

I wonder how a case like Lashawn Merritt's Extenze performance enhancing (teehee) case would be handled.

"Agreed. This Sounds like a great way to protect his and bekeles accomplishments. It just means the next gen will suck since they can't get away with it like he did."

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Totally agree - my first thought. Pass a rule now to keep your name etched in stone forever. Total BS!

Awesome development for the US.

As Ethiopia permanently bans their best runners, The US can move up in the medal count.

Sorncor wrote:

162 wrote:

Yes, but you say on the home page they will NOT be given a lifetime ban

Yes, but keep in mind that it wouldn't be LRC without a glaring typo or grammatical faux pas in the site's breaking story title.

The bigger question is, how long will the error go uncorrected? We're at about 12 hours and counting at this point. Too cute.

It looks like they've fixed their own contradictory comment on the front page. It took long enough. I thought I might see mention of the correction here, but no.

...and Geb lays the smackdown! Haha.--------

The Obvious Answer wrote:

LetsRun.com wrote:

We aren't sure if CAS will allow them to do so but we've always believed intentional doping should result in a lifetime ban]

Yeah, as thing stand, I a lifetime banned athlete take this to CAS it will be overturned.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/olympics/cas-overturn-british-lifetime-olympic-ban-for-drug-cheats-7697509.html

Maybe they'd overturn a lifetime ban, but would CAS overturn, say, a 20-year ban (which is effectively a lifetime ban)? I mean, if Geb fails to get this to stick, his conviction on the matter makes me think that he'll target some other kind of long ban.

Geb still winning wrote:

Maybe they'd overturn a lifetime ban, but would CAS overturn, say, a 20-year ban (which is effectively a lifetime ban)? I mean, if Geb fails to get this to stick, his conviction on the matter makes me think that he'll target some other kind of long ban.

Based on the Dwain Chambers precedent (and other decisions) the penalties prescribed in the WADA code are the maximum penalties.

DESMOINES1 wrote:I don't agree with the lifetime ban. I think that's too harsh for those who want to learn from mistakes and improve themselves.

If it were down to individuals and their choices, I agree. But, it's not. Never testing positive is for sale at the IAAF. That means you need real money that only an international sponsorship brings and that means it's not the athlete's choice. (cough! Jos Hermens! Cough)

It's absolutely necessary to have criminal consequences to doping and possession/trafficking in PEDs. The IOC will fight against it. In the U.S., the pro ballsports and NCAA would definitely fight against criminalizing doping.

Let's add some facts to this thread.

Ethiopia in in RADO region V. Region 5 is the following countries: Burundi, Egypt, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Kenya, Rwanda, Sudan, Tanzania, Uganda.

https://www.wada-ama.org/en/regional-anti-doping-organizations-rado#RADO-Africa

A quick look through WADA's documents show zero tests from any org in Ethiopia. That's none. The Africa Zone 5 RADO did two (2) OOC tests in a year. They have no testing.

The IAAF's figures, based on recollection amounted to barely 1 urine test per athlete per year for the region. They aren't testing either.

It's cheap talk about lifetime bans that they can't enforce. That's consistent doublespeak from an IOC federation with no interest in restraining doping.

Alan Webb's Triceps wrote:

I wonder how a case like Lashawn Merritt's Extenze performance enhancing (teehee) case would be handled.

You mean believe every bs story an athlete comes up with & reduce the ban. Then maybe make him national relay coach like Mitchell.

Jeff Wigand wrote:

scorpion_runner wrote:

I'm not willing to put a lot of confidence in the measure that is being proposed. This rule wouldn't prevent athletes from competing professionally, so it is kind of meaningless.

That's incorrect. If Ethiopia bans them, they can't compete in any sanctioned competition, unless they change national affiliations. When USA Swimming suspended Michael Phelps, he couldn't compete in any sanctioned competition.

Which was/is exactly my point....You took what I said out of context, because I mentioned that further down in my post.

"They can simply go run for some other third world country and get top dollar for it"

Totally Agree! wrote:

"Agreed. This Sounds like a great way to protect his and bekeles accomplishments. It just means the next gen will suck since they can't get away with it like he did."

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Totally agree - my first thought. Pass a rule now to keep your name etched in stone forever. Total BS!

No. Haile and Kenenisa are not open to suspicion. Never.

Never shake a baby. Never.

Never implicate Kenenisa. Never.

oh goody. now all they have to do is properly test their athletes and stop covering up positives and this might actually make some sort of difference.

...it wont.

Didn't read the thead, but rule something-something by that Dwain Chambers defaeated was specfically a rule against a double punishment; that athletes who had been banned were suffering human rights abuses to go through another punishment. Because the IAAF was imposing their rule on top of a pre existing sanction, it was seen as a dpubole punishment.

The obvious solition was to make the first sanction a life-time ban. I mean, It's late, and my jedi-sense aren't sharp, but, it seems like as long as Ethipopia makes doesn;t do an ex post facto, and only new cheats are banned in this way, it should stick. But fuc me. Clerk loves to clerk wine and beer cellars, in addition to anti-doping records.

The parties in that ruling were WADA, the BOA, and CAS (and not the IAAF).

The BOA had a long-standing bylaw that banned drug offenders for life, making them ineligible for selection to the Olympics. WADA argued that the BOA bylaw was not compliant with the WADA code, because it was effectively a double punishment. CAS agreed. This was not about human rights abuse, but about creating a universal standard for all countries.

This CAS ruling, and the overturning of the IOC "Osaka" Rule 45, suggests that any lifetime ban by any nation or organisation will be unenforceable, unless it is introduced by WADA into the WADA code.

An attempt to introduce the Osaka Rule into the code in 2013 was dropped (amid fears of legal challenges), replaced with harsher sanctions "doubling the length of suspension for serious offenders and widening the scope for anti-doping organisations to impose lifetime bans."