Galen Rupp's Days as a 5000m Runner Are Over, 2017 Looks to Be His Last at 10,000m

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7 years ago 12/28/2016 2:36pm EST

re: idiotus

idiotus wrote:
The AlSal Plan wrote:
Salazar ran himself physically into the ground. I would not trust any plan of his.
Salazar has admitted to the mistakes he made in his own training several times. He's trained rupp for the past 14 years. It's safe to say he knows wtf he's doing

Here is what he said at the Olympics:

â€œIf I had just tried to train him for the marathon, I probably would have screwed him up and overtrained him,â€ Salazar said. â€œSo by having the 10, you know when he runs, when he gets fifth place, that heâ€™s not too tired. And I told him back when I was running a lot of 10k runners then just took 10k training and went up to the marathon. Maybe itâ€™s not great if youâ€™re really trying to run at your maximum time under perfect conditions but we knew here it would probably be a slow race because of the weather and he had the speed in his legs from the 10k that he should be able to move in the 10k.â€

Galen Rupp is going to be great at the marathon. His 5K and 10K PRs make him one of the fastest marathoners ever. He can run a 2:04 marathon.

I see only 2 possible problems for Galen and Alberto:

1) Eliud Kipchoge: bronze and silver Olympic medalist at 5K with 12:46 PR, 26:49 10K PR, Olympic gold medalist in marathon and 2:03:05 PR, greatest marathoner of all-time.

2) Kenenisa Bekele: 5K Olympic gold and silver medalist with 12:37.35 WR PR, 10K 2 time Olympic gold medalist with 26:17.53 WR PR, 2:03:03 marathon PR, greatest distance runner of all-timeâ€¦and destroyer of worlds.

In conclusion:

1) I expect some nice things from Galen and Alberto.

2) I expect really good things from Eliud Kipchoge.

3) I expect really, really, really, really, really, really GREAT THINGS FROM KENENISA BEKELE.

This is not a big surprise.

7 years ago 12/28/2016 2:54pm EST

re: Norman K.

Norman K. wrote:
Forty-seven guys, mostly American, broke the 2:20 barrier that day. With only a few hours left in 2016 only twenty-two American men have broken 2:20 the entire year!

I half take your point, but don't forget that mass marathons were the Big Thing back then, and every runner had a crack at it. I was a mediocre first-year college 1500 runner and I did London in 1985, clocking 2:33 and finishing 385th. That would put me in the top 100 easily these days. The reason was that the marathon was new, cool and an experience, and everyone had a go in those few years.

If anyone has the time to plot a graph of the 10th, 100th and 1000th-place times over the last few decades at some major marathons it would be very interesting. I think you would see a huge spike in the 1980s, which you would NOT see for the 1500, 5000 or whatever.

7 years ago 12/28/2016 2:56pm EST

re: rojo

It's funny that #78 on the list is the guy who runs 12 marathons a year

rojo wrote:
Doubtful Pre Doubtful wrote:
"The 77 fastest runners in the world this year at 26.2 were all born in Africa."
What is that statement based on? I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure that Galen Rupp finished 3rd at Rio! The USA also had a guy named Ward who also finished in the top 10.
Marathons are run in all kinds of weather, courses, and conditions.
What is it based on? It's based on fact.
Here are the 77 fastest marathoners in 2016 according to the subscription service tilastapaja.org.
Marathon
1 2:03:03 Kenenisa Bekele ETH
2 2:03:05 Eliud Kipchoge KEN
3 2:03:13 Wilson Kipsang KEN
4 2:03:51 Stanley Biwott KEN
5 2:04:24 Tesfaye Abera ETH
6 2:04:33 Lemi Berhanu ETH
7 2:04:46 Tsegaye Mekonnen ETH
8 2:05:13 Wilson Loyanai KEN
9 2:05:16 Sisay Lemma ETH
10 2:05:21 Daniel Wanjiru KEN
11 2:05:31 Evans Chebet KEN
12 2:05:44 Mule Wasihun ETH
13 2:05:45 Sammy Kitwara KEN
14 2:05:47 Marius Kimutai KEN
15 2:05:54 Laban Korir KEN
16 2:06:07 Ezekiel Chebii KEN
17 2:06:10 Kaan Kigen Ã–zbilen TUR
18 2:06:11 Marius Kipserem KEN
19 2:06:22 Solomon Deksisa ETH
20 2:06:25 Felix Kandie KEN
21 2:06:26 Festus Talam KEN
22 2:06:27 Geoffrey Kirui KEN
23 2:06:40 Tadesse Abraham SUI
24 2:06:45 Abayneh Ayele ETH
24 2:06:45 Bernard Kipyego KEN
26 2:06:48 Mark Korir KEN
27 2:06:51 Frankline Chepkwony KEN
28 2:06:53 Samuel Kosgei KEN
29 2:06:56 Feyisa Lilesa ETH
30 2:06:58 Felix Kiprotich KEN
31 2:07:11 Cybrian Kotut KEN
32 2:07:20 Philemon Rono KEN
33 2:07:21 Luka Kanda KEN
34 2:07:22 Martin Kosgei KEN
35 2:07:24 Lawrence Cherono KEN
36 2:07:30 Asbel Kipsang KEN
37 2:07:34 Dickson Chumba KEN
38 2:07:37 Stephen Chemlany KEN
39 2:07:39 Victor Kipchirchir KEN
40 2:07:46 Stephen Kiprotich UGA
40 2:07:46 Ghirmay Ghebreslassie ERI
42 2:07:47 Eliud Kiptanui KEN
43 2:07:48 Abera Kuma ETH
44 2:07:49 Ernest Ngeno KEN
45 2:08:03 Micah Kogo KEN
45 2:08:03 Robert Kipkorir KEN
47 2:08:04 Gilbert Koech KEN
48 2:08:06 Abel Kirui KEN
49 2:08:07 Joel Kimurer KEN
50 2:08:11 Tilahun Regassa ETH
51 2:08:12 Amos Kipruto KEN
51 2:08:12 Peter Kirui KEN
53 2:08:14 Cosmas Lagat KEN
53 2:08:14 Dino Sefer ETH
55 2:08:17 Gebretsadik Adhana ETH
56 2:08:19 Sammy Korir KEN
56 2:08:19 Wilson Chebet KEN
58 2:08:20 Ishmael Bushendich KEN
59 2:08:23 Hillary Kipchumba KEN
60 2:08:28 Alfers Lagat KEN
61 2:08:31 Solomon Yego KEN
61 2:08:31 John Mwangangi KEN
63 2:08:34 Thomas Kiplagat KEN
64 2:08:35 Gideon Kipketer KEN
65 2:08:38 Kenneth Mungara KEN
66 2:08:39 Raymond Choge KEN
67 2:08:41 Asefa Mengistu ETH
68 2:08:47 Emmanuel Keter KEN
69 2:08:48 Limenih Getachew ETH
69 2:08:48 Yemane Adhane ETH
71 2:08:51 Pius Dominic Ondoro KEN
72 2:08:53 Yitayal Atnafu ETH
72 2:08:53 Lucas Rotich KEN
74 2:08:55 Ezekiel Omullo KEN
75 2:08:56 Jacob Kendagor KEN
76 2:08:57 Patrick Makau KEN
77 2:08:58 David Kiyeng KEN
78 2:09:01 Yuki Kawauchi JPN
78 2:09:01 Ronald Korir KEN
80 2:09:05 Reuben Kerio KEN
81 2:09:06 Edwin Koech KEN
82 2:09:16 Hisanori Kitajima JPN
82 2:09:16 Laban Mutai KEN
84 2:09:19 Alphonce Felix TAN
84 2:09:19 Nobert Kigen KEN
84 2:09:19 Philip Kimutai KEN
84 2:09:19 Chala Dechase ETH
88 2:09:20 Seboka Tola ETH
89 2:09:21 Barnabas Kiptum KEN
90 2:09:24 Mesfin Teshome ETH
90 2:09:24 Elijah Kemboi KEN
92 2:09:25 Suehiro Ishikawa JPN
92 2:09:25 Duncan Maiyo KEN
94 2:09:27 Melaku Abera ETH
94 2:09:27 Birhanu Addisie ETH
94 2:09:27 Dickson Tuwei KEN
97 2:09:28 Dominic Ruto KEN
97 2:09:28 Tujuba Megersa ETH
99 2:09:29 Geoffrey Ronoh KEN
99 2:09:29 Justus Kimutai KEN
A top 10 finish in the marathon at the Olympics is GREATLY helped by the fact that only 3 Kenyans and 3 Ethiopians are allowed to enter the race.
Let's run a marathon where 1st place gets 1 million , 2nd place 990,000, 3rd place gets 980,000 all the way down to 50th place getting 500,000 and see where Jared Ward winds up. I promise you it won't be in the top 10.

7 years ago 12/28/2016 3:32pm EST

re: Flo'da boy

Rupp's rio performance puts him in the top guys in the world. I would say his 210 was equal to 205 or 206 in London or Berlin. 70 seconds behind Kipchoge is impressive. It is true that kenya and ethiopia could only run three but they picked who they thought were their best and Rupp beat two from each handily.

7 years ago 12/28/2016 3:37pm EST

re: Flo'da boy

Flo'da boy wrote:
It's funny that #78 on the list is the guy who runs 12 marathons a year

Yes. And that he is the best non-African. Quite interesting.

7 years ago 12/28/2016 3:44pm EST

re: jjjjjjj

jjjjjjj wrote:
it's likely as well that rampant drug use partly explains the East African total dominance of the time lists. Another thing is that Europeans and Americans have largely given up the pursuit, especially the Europeans. If Jones could run 2:07 in the 80s and probably could have run quite a bit faster that 1:01:42 day, with pacers and a more even pace, and many other guys could run in the 2:08s and 2:09s, we should be doing a lot better today and it would be competitive, just as our track and marathon runners proved this year at the Olympics.

That's quite possible. But don't forget that the most rampant, literally unlimited drug use occurred in the 80s, in particular in Europe and America.

While the drugs are better now, one has to hold back quite substantially (if one doesn't want to bribe the IAAF and train in Ethiopia).

It's not a coincidence that we aren't exactly faster than during the Cold War era, despite better shoes, faster tracks, more knowledge etc.

7 years ago 12/28/2016 4:08pm EST

re: casual obsever

casual obsever wrote:
jjjjjjj wrote:
it's likely as well that rampant drug use partly explains the East African total dominance of the time lists. Another thing is that Europeans and Americans have largely given up the pursuit, especially the Europeans. If Jones could run 2:07 in the 80s and probably could have run quite a bit faster that 1:01:42 day, with pacers and a more even pace, and many other guys could run in the 2:08s and 2:09s, we should be doing a lot better today and it would be competitive, just as our track and marathon runners proved this year at the Olympics.
That's quite possible. But don't forget that the most rampant, literally unlimited drug use occurred in the 80s, in particular in Europe and America.
While the drugs are better now, one has to hold back quite substantially (if one doesn't want to bribe the IAAF and train in Ethiopia).
It's not a coincidence that we aren't exactly faster than during the Cold War era, despite better shoes, faster tracks, more knowledge etc.

The 800m world record for women from 1983 of 1:53.28 still stands.

Here she is:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/01/11/22/300B77A900000578-0-image-m-27_1452549996865.jpg https://myoutlookonfootball.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/jamila-k.jpg

Oh boy.

7 years ago 12/28/2016 4:08pm EST

re: rjm33

rjm33 wrote:
idiotus wrote:
Salazar has admitted to the mistakes he made in his own training several times. He's trained rupp for the past 14 years. It's safe to say he knows wtf he's doing
Here is what he said at the Olympics:
â€œIf I had just tried to train him for the marathon, I probably would have screwed him up and overtrained him,â€ Salazar said. â€œSo by having the 10, you know when he runs, when he gets fifth place, that heâ€™s not too tired. And I told him back when I was running a lot of 10k runners then just took 10k training and went up to the marathon. Maybe itâ€™s not great if youâ€™re really trying to run at your maximum time under perfect conditions but we knew here it would probably be a slow race because of the weather and he had the speed in his legs from the 10k that he should be able to move in the 10k.â€
Galen Rupp is going to be great at the marathon. His 5K and 10K PRs make him one of the fastest marathoners ever. He can run a 2:04 marathon.
I see only 2 possible problems for Galen and Alberto:
1) Eliud Kipchoge: bronze and silver Olympic medalist at 5K with 12:46 PR, 26:49 10K PR, Olympic gold medalist in marathon and 2:03:05 PR, greatest marathoner of all-time.
2) Kenenisa Bekele: 5K Olympic gold and silver medalist with 12:37.35 WR PR, 10K 2 time Olympic gold medalist with 26:17.53 WR PR, 2:03:03 marathon PR, greatest distance runner of all-timeâ€¦and destroyer of worlds.
In conclusion:
1) I expect some nice things from Galen and Alberto.
2) I expect really good things from Eliud Kipchoge.
3) I expect really, really, really, really, really, really GREAT THINGS FROM KENENISA BEKELE.
This is not a big surprise.

I really hope you are joking. Rupp, Kipchoge and Kenenisa are 30, 32 and 34 respectively. Their best days as runners are behind them. They are all declining as I type.

7 years ago 12/28/2016 4:24pm EST

re: Loper

I never joke.

If our LRC boycott and protest plan are effective against the stupid Sub-2:00 marathon plans by Nike, Phil Knight... Albertoâ€¦Yanni Pitsiladisâ€¦and Jos Hermensâ€¦and Adidas, then Galen, Eliud, and Kenenisa can race in a big marathon battle in London or Berlin in 2017.

Unfortunately, Galen and Alberto will be destroyed by Bekele and Kipchoge in this marathon battle.

It will be really fun to watch Alberto's reaction.

7 years ago 12/28/2016 5:04pm EST

re: rjm33

rjm33 wrote:
It will be really fun to watch Alberto's reaction.

He'll have a meltdown .... again. His favorite son losing big-time.

7 years ago 12/28/2016 5:14pm EST

re: Loper

Loper wrote:
I really hope you are joking. Rupp, Kipchoge and Kenenisa are 30, 32 and 34 respectively. Their best days as runners are behind them. They are all declining as I type.

You mean except for the fact that both of them just ran PRs and almost broke the world record? Your understanding of the words "declining" and "best" are strange.

7 years ago 12/28/2016 6:14pm EST

re: 1st base

1st base wrote:
Loper wrote:
I really hope you are joking. Rupp, Kipchoge and Kenenisa are 30, 32 and 34 respectively. Their best days as runners are behind them. They are all declining as I type.
You mean except for the fact that both of them just ran PRs and almost broke the world record? Your understanding of the words "declining" and "best" are strange.

They are declining but they are still as good or better than the best marathoners ever. Bekele in peak ability was a 2:01 guy.

The marathon still doesn't get the best guys until hey turn 30.

7 years ago 12/28/2016 6:38pm EST

re: rojo

Robert, frank shorter was great.

I'm sorry he existed before you were aware,

or during the short period 8 years ago when you were relevant.

He raced everybody anytime anywhere.

Not like your icons who consult with their agents before doing anything.

I'm so sorry for you, you missed all of that.

7 years ago 12/28/2016 6:39pm EST

re: The AlSal Plan

Mo Farah (4 Oly golds)Matt centrowitz (1 Oly gold)Galen Rupp (1 Oly Silver, 1 Oly Bronze)These athletes have two obvious things in common:(1) Olympic medals and (2) the same coach1500m - Gold5000m - 2 gold10,000 m - 2 gold, 1 silvermarathon - 1 bronze, second ever marathon(that's a big effing range to not know what you are doing)you shouldn't call people idiots without sharing a shred of supporting evidence.we're all waiting for your response

The AlSal Plan wrote:
idiotus wrote:
Salazar has admitted to the mistakes he made in his own training several times. He's trained rupp for the past 14 years. It's safe to say he knows wtf he's doing
What is safe to say is: you are incorrect, idiot.

7 years ago 12/28/2016 6:55pm EST

re: fgdfgfg

fgdfgfg wrote:
He lost all those 5ks to Lagat though.

Yes, that's funny. Lag at owned hm to the end...

Any chance that Lagat runs a 10,000m next summer?

7 years ago 12/28/2016 7:27pm EST

re: Norman K.

Norman K. wrote:
With only a few hours left in 2016 only twenty-two American men have broken 2:20 the entire year!
-Norm

Not sure what source you are getting this from, but surely you realize there were 86 guys who qualified for the trials by running a sub 2:19 marathon, and another 100+ that qualified with a half. Many of these guys only ran one marathon in 2015 -- the trials -- under brutal conditions where they ran for place and not time.

7 years ago 12/28/2016 7:39pm EST

re: you make this too easy

Even a child can answer you comment. Mo, Rupp, Centro have one thing in common. Slow Olympic times.

you make this too easy wrote:
Mo Farah (4 Oly golds)
Matt centrowitz (1 Oly gold)
Galen Rupp (1 Oly Silver, 1 Oly Bronze)
These athletes have two obvious things in common:
(1) Olympic medals and (2) the same coach
1500m - Gold
5000m - 2 gold
10,000 m - 2 gold, 1 silver
marathon - 1 bronze, second ever marathon
(that's a big effing range to not know what you are doing)
you shouldn't call people idiots without sharing a shred of supporting evidence.
we're all waiting for your response
The AlSal Plan wrote:
What is safe to say is: you are incorrect, idiot.

7 years ago 12/28/2016 8:05pm EST

re: Slo Pokes

Ah, and they give the medals to the folks who finish 1,2,3.

Not the folks who run the fastest time a few months before or after....

Apparently you fail to grasp the whole athletes competing thing...,

7 years ago 12/28/2016 8:28pm EST

re: Slo Pokes

The Olympic races were both slow but with major surges.

Centro ran his last 400m in 50.62 to win the gold medal.

Galen was 1 of only 2 people in the world who could stay with Kipchoge when he did a 14:25 split from 30k to 35k in the Olympic race. Galen ran a fantastic race in only his second marathon.

Here is another problem for Galen and Alberto:

Bekele closed his 2:03:03 marathon with his last 2K at 4:30 mile pace and the last 400m in about 62 seconds, with his average pace for the entire marathon just under 70 seconds per 400m.

This is a big problem for Galen and Alberto.

How will Alberto react to it?

http://www.letsrun.com/news/2014/02/nike-coaches-alberto-salazar-jerry-schumacher-heated-exchanged-separated-mens-3000-2014-usa-indoors/

http://www.letsrun.com/news/2014/02/alberto-salazar-gabe-grunewalds-husband-get-f-face/

Do you think Alberto will have a temper tantrum?

7 years ago 12/28/2016 8:28pm EST

re: Flo'da boy

It's also funny that about 70 of the top 100 were Kenyan.

Flo'da boy wrote:
It's funny that #78 on the list is the guy who runs 12 marathons a year
rojo wrote:
What is it based on? It's based on fact.
Here are the 77 fastest marathoners in 2016 according to the subscription service tilastapaja.org.
Marathon
1 2:03:03 Kenenisa Bekele ETH
2 2:03:05 Eliud Kipchoge KEN
3 2:03:13 Wilson Kipsang KEN
4 2:03:51 Stanley Biwott KEN
5 2:04:24 Tesfaye Abera ETH
6 2:04:33 Lemi Berhanu ETH
7 2:04:46 Tsegaye Mekonnen ETH
8 2:05:13 Wilson Loyanai KEN
9 2:05:16 Sisay Lemma ETH
10 2:05:21 Daniel Wanjiru KEN
11 2:05:31 Evans Chebet KEN
12 2:05:44 Mule Wasihun ETH
13 2:05:45 Sammy Kitwara KEN
14 2:05:47 Marius Kimutai KEN
15 2:05:54 Laban Korir KEN
16 2:06:07 Ezekiel Chebii KEN
17 2:06:10 Kaan Kigen Ã–zbilen TUR
18 2:06:11 Marius Kipserem KEN
19 2:06:22 Solomon Deksisa ETH
20 2:06:25 Felix Kandie KEN
21 2:06:26 Festus Talam KEN
22 2:06:27 Geoffrey Kirui KEN
23 2:06:40 Tadesse Abraham SUI
24 2:06:45 Abayneh Ayele ETH
24 2:06:45 Bernard Kipyego KEN
26 2:06:48 Mark Korir KEN
27 2:06:51 Frankline Chepkwony KEN
28 2:06:53 Samuel Kosgei KEN
29 2:06:56 Feyisa Lilesa ETH
30 2:06:58 Felix Kiprotich KEN
31 2:07:11 Cybrian Kotut KEN
32 2:07:20 Philemon Rono KEN
33 2:07:21 Luka Kanda KEN
34 2:07:22 Martin Kosgei KEN
35 2:07:24 Lawrence Cherono KEN
36 2:07:30 Asbel Kipsang KEN
37 2:07:34 Dickson Chumba KEN
38 2:07:37 Stephen Chemlany KEN
39 2:07:39 Victor Kipchirchir KEN
40 2:07:46 Stephen Kiprotich UGA
40 2:07:46 Ghirmay Ghebreslassie ERI
42 2:07:47 Eliud Kiptanui KEN
43 2:07:48 Abera Kuma ETH
44 2:07:49 Ernest Ngeno KEN
45 2:08:03 Micah Kogo KEN
45 2:08:03 Robert Kipkorir KEN
47 2:08:04 Gilbert Koech KEN
48 2:08:06 Abel Kirui KEN
49 2:08:07 Joel Kimurer KEN
50 2:08:11 Tilahun Regassa ETH
51 2:08:12 Amos Kipruto KEN
51 2:08:12 Peter Kirui KEN
53 2:08:14 Cosmas Lagat KEN
53 2:08:14 Dino Sefer ETH
55 2:08:17 Gebretsadik Adhana ETH
56 2:08:19 Sammy Korir KEN
56 2:08:19 Wilson Chebet KEN
58 2:08:20 Ishmael Bushendich KEN
59 2:08:23 Hillary Kipchumba KEN
60 2:08:28 Alfers Lagat KEN
61 2:08:31 Solomon Yego KEN
61 2:08:31 John Mwangangi KEN
63 2:08:34 Thomas Kiplagat KEN
64 2:08:35 Gideon Kipketer KEN
65 2:08:38 Kenneth Mungara KEN
66 2:08:39 Raymond Choge KEN
67 2:08:41 Asefa Mengistu ETH
68 2:08:47 Emmanuel Keter KEN
69 2:08:48 Limenih Getachew ETH
69 2:08:48 Yemane Adhane ETH
71 2:08:51 Pius Dominic Ondoro KEN
72 2:08:53 Yitayal Atnafu ETH
72 2:08:53 Lucas Rotich KEN
74 2:08:55 Ezekiel Omullo KEN
75 2:08:56 Jacob Kendagor KEN
76 2:08:57 Patrick Makau KEN
77 2:08:58 David Kiyeng KEN
78 2:09:01 Yuki Kawauchi JPN
78 2:09:01 Ronald Korir KEN
80 2:09:05 Reuben Kerio KEN
81 2:09:06 Edwin Koech KEN
82 2:09:16 Hisanori Kitajima JPN
82 2:09:16 Laban Mutai KEN
84 2:09:19 Alphonce Felix TAN
84 2:09:19 Nobert Kigen KEN
84 2:09:19 Philip Kimutai KEN
84 2:09:19 Chala Dechase ETH
88 2:09:20 Seboka Tola ETH
89 2:09:21 Barnabas Kiptum KEN
90 2:09:24 Mesfin Teshome ETH
90 2:09:24 Elijah Kemboi KEN
92 2:09:25 Suehiro Ishikawa JPN
92 2:09:25 Duncan Maiyo KEN
94 2:09:27 Melaku Abera ETH
94 2:09:27 Birhanu Addisie ETH
94 2:09:27 Dickson Tuwei KEN
97 2:09:28 Dominic Ruto KEN
97 2:09:28 Tujuba Megersa ETH
99 2:09:29 Geoffrey Ronoh KEN
99 2:09:29 Justus Kimutai KEN
A top 10 finish in the marathon at the Olympics is GREATLY helped by the fact that only 3 Kenyans and 3 Ethiopians are allowed to enter the race.
Let's run a marathon where 1st place gets 1 million , 2nd place 990,000, 3rd place gets 980,000 all the way down to 50th place getting 500,000 and see where Jared Ward winds up. I promise you it won't be in the top 10.

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